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ah lian.....ur partner will be only too willing to and give u private lesson.
if u drive on unfamiliar roads....err on the caution side ( rain or shine ) and you should be right.
yes, learning how to recognise and recover from a skid helps....
if u drive on unfamiliar roads....err on the caution side ( rain or shine ) and you should be right.
yes, learning how to recognise and recover from a skid helps....
The BMW Experience !
...sorry to hear of the accident BUT very happy to know that the engineers at BMW did their job & allowed the car to perform to the max, which allowed your sister a preferrably unwanted but a very valuable & testing experience & thus to recuperate...
...hydroplaning should NOT happen if a vehicle is fitted with ABS, if the tyres are regularly inspected & the necessary maintenance disciplines are adhered to...the after collision expenses will be hefty BUT the insurance coverage should take care of most of it..(forfeit the NCB for untimely occassions such as these !)
...so a lesson for all of us is, BELT UP, maintain your car well & we can continue to, preferrably enjoy, MOST, of the "Ultimate Driving Experience"...unscathed & untested...
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...sorry to hear of the accident BUT very happy to know that the engineers at BMW did their job & allowed the car to perform to the max, which allowed your sister a preferrably unwanted but a very valuable & testing experience & thus to recuperate...
...hydroplaning should NOT happen if a vehicle is fitted with ABS, if the tyres are regularly inspected & the necessary maintenance disciplines are adhered to...the after collision expenses will be hefty BUT the insurance coverage should take care of most of it..(forfeit the NCB for untimely occassions such as these !)
...so a lesson for all of us is, BELT UP, maintain your car well & we can continue to, preferrably enjoy, MOST, of the "Ultimate Driving Experience"...unscathed & untested...
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khisham said:...sorry to hear of the accident BUT very happy to know that the engineers at BMW did their job & allowed the car to perform to the max, which allowed your sister a preferrably unwanted but a very valuable & testing experience & thus to recuperate...
...hydroplaning should NOT happen if a vehicle is fitted with ABS, if the tyres are regularly inspected & the necessary maintenance disciplines are adhered to...the after collision expenses will be hefty BUT the insurance coverage should take care of most of it..(forfeit the NCB for untimely occassions such as these !)
...so a lesson for all of us is, BELT UP, maintain your car well & we can continue to, preferrably enjoy, MOST, of the "Ultimate Driving Experience"...unscathed & untested...
hydro should NOT happen if a vehicle is fitted with ABS ? Sorry .. but frankly I am a bit lost here ..
I hv ABS - did not hit the brakes but the car hydroplan jugak .. Tires are new .. KLIA expressway ..
Is your ABS working ?
...at your earliest convenience, on a dry stretch of road (even in a carpark) at between 60-100 km/h, suddenly brake hard...if you hear the loud & hard clicks & the car slows down & does not skid...your ABS is working...
...anything else points to a trip to the workshop for a much needed repair as the ABS was never in proper working condition...
...however continued acceleration on a very wet stretch of road CAN cause hydroplaning & one should ease off the accelerator immediately to actually manage the hydroplaning...accelerate & you exacerbate the hydroplaning as your car speeds..
...check your tyres, they may be thinner than you might think..
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...at your earliest convenience, on a dry stretch of road (even in a carpark) at between 60-100 km/h, suddenly brake hard...if you hear the loud & hard clicks & the car slows down & does not skid...your ABS is working...
...anything else points to a trip to the workshop for a much needed repair as the ABS was never in proper working condition...
...however continued acceleration on a very wet stretch of road CAN cause hydroplaning & one should ease off the accelerator immediately to actually manage the hydroplaning...accelerate & you exacerbate the hydroplaning as your car speeds..
...check your tyres, they may be thinner than you might think..
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Copy Paste job from wikipedia:
What to do when hydroplaning
When hydroplaning, you should never turn the steering wheel of the car or apply the brakes. Taking either action could cause the car to skid and possibly result in total loss of control.
Instead, keep travelling in a straight direction and ease the pressure on the gas; control should then return. If braking is unavoidable, light pumping actions on the brake should be used until hydroplaning has stopped.
What to do when hydroplaning
When hydroplaning, you should never turn the steering wheel of the car or apply the brakes. Taking either action could cause the car to skid and possibly result in total loss of control.
Instead, keep travelling in a straight direction and ease the pressure on the gas; control should then return. If braking is unavoidable, light pumping actions on the brake should be used until hydroplaning has stopped.
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khisham said:...at your earliest convenience, on a dry stretch of road (even in a carpark) at between 60-100 km/h, suddenly brake hard...if you hear the loud & hard clicks & the car slows down & does not skid...your ABS is working...
...anything else points to a trip to the workshop for a much needed repair as the ABS was never in proper working condition...
...however continued acceleration on a stretch of road WILL cause hydroplaning & one should ease off the accelerator immediately to actually manage the hydroplaning...
ABS pump new, sensor new - and yes, when I hit the brake hard - i can hear clicks and the car slow down.
I thot hydroplan is when ur car 'float's above water - no control on the steering wheel .. ?
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erhhh...HYDROPLANE occurs when ur tyres are not channeling enough water away and hence the tyre loses contact with the road.....happens when you are NOT braking normally so how can ABS be of use here?
If u talk abt POST hydroplane phase, then that's a recovery maneuver.......
do I make sense?
If u talk abt POST hydroplane phase, then that's a recovery maneuver.......
do I make sense?
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khisham....pls enlighten us.
I agree ABS will help AFTER hydroplane and you try to brake to retain control.......but actually I dun think braking will help also as that will unstabilise ur vehicle more. Maybe I not so experience so want share.
Btw, to test ABS.....just find a sandy piece of road and brake hard.....you will hear the tyres shudder ( pedal too ). Of course please make sure no car, trucks, etc, kap chai, mat rempits, cyclist close behind!
I agree ABS will help AFTER hydroplane and you try to brake to retain control.......but actually I dun think braking will help also as that will unstabilise ur vehicle more. Maybe I not so experience so want share.
Btw, to test ABS.....just find a sandy piece of road and brake hard.....you will hear the tyres shudder ( pedal too ). Of course please make sure no car, trucks, etc, kap chai, mat rempits, cyclist close behind!
...hydoplaning is physics & the elements combined during projectile motion...
...ABS will assist but only if other measures are in effect...ultimately, the amount of water or ice, as the case was for me, & the available traction capability (the tyre wear & tear) will allow ABS to assist in managing the movement of your car....
...you must release the gas pedal & you must keep a level head & manouver your steering wheel when you feel that your car is hydroplaning...
...your tyres & your vehicle weight load while travelling, will also influence the effects of hydroplaning as well as the effectiveness of the ABS, if used...
..unfortunately, many in & from Asia practice blaring the horn and/or flooring the gas pedal to try & accelerate out of trouble instead of releasing the gas pedal, pedaling the brakes & trying to avoid the potential trouble...
...using the turn indicator lights is incredibly useful too...
...ABS will assist but only if other measures are in effect...ultimately, the amount of water or ice, as the case was for me, & the available traction capability (the tyre wear & tear) will allow ABS to assist in managing the movement of your car....
...you must release the gas pedal & you must keep a level head & manouver your steering wheel when you feel that your car is hydroplaning...
...your tyres & your vehicle weight load while travelling, will also influence the effects of hydroplaning as well as the effectiveness of the ABS, if used...
..unfortunately, many in & from Asia practice blaring the horn and/or flooring the gas pedal to try & accelerate out of trouble instead of releasing the gas pedal, pedaling the brakes & trying to avoid the potential trouble...
...using the turn indicator lights is incredibly useful too...
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khisham said:...hydoplaning is physics & the elements combined during projectile motion...
...ABS will assist but only if other measures are in effect...ultimately, the amount of water or ice, as the case was for me, & the available traction capability (the tyre wear & tear) will allow ABS to assist in managing the movement of your car....
...you must release the gas pedal & you must keep a level head & manouver your steering wheel when you feel that your car is hydroplaning...
...your tyres & your vehicle weight load while travelling, will also influence the effects of hydroplaning as well as the effectiveness of the ABS, if used...
..unfortunately, many in & from Asia practice blaring the horn and/or flooring the gas pedal to try & accelerate out of trouble instead of releasing the gas pedal, pedaling the brakes & trying to avoid the potential trouble...
...using the turn indicator lights is incredibly useful too...
now .. I AM really lost .. .
ok ok .. simple - when it rains - drive slower ..
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Affan66, so glad that your sis is alright.
Just to share some personal "retired" experiences.....
Personally, I think alot of factors takes place when hydroplaning occurs.....Condition of roads, angle of roads, depth of the water puddles, speed and volume of rain, weight of car, size of tires, etc....It can be reduced or controlled with variables such as speed of the car, type of tires, size of tires, firm grip on the steering, no abrupt acceleration or switching lanes, etc.......
One important factor I experience was the tires....Some tires were just better in the rain than others due to the compound and thread patterns.....
Anyways, if it pours take it slow unless you know what's going on.....
Just to share some personal "retired" experiences.....
Personally, I think alot of factors takes place when hydroplaning occurs.....Condition of roads, angle of roads, depth of the water puddles, speed and volume of rain, weight of car, size of tires, etc....It can be reduced or controlled with variables such as speed of the car, type of tires, size of tires, firm grip on the steering, no abrupt acceleration or switching lanes, etc.......
One important factor I experience was the tires....Some tires were just better in the rain than others due to the compound and thread patterns.....
Anyways, if it pours take it slow unless you know what's going on.....
"...hydroplaning should NOT happen if a vehicle is fitted with ABS,"
hydroplaning has nothing to do with ABS!!! The simple fact is, it happens when you run over standing water, or a volume of water too great for your tyres to clear from its threads, hence the tyres lose contact with the road entirely.
the car going sideways when hydroplaning could be caused by the driver applying steering input.
rainracer, your obeservation on tyres is correct.
weight of car has no bearing on this. if weight of car played a part on hydroplaning, just think F1 cars.
this is a tough call, if your car hydroplanes, its just a matter of keeping cool, keep steering straight ahead, and no sudden moves. reduce throttle, but do not lift off 100% or suddenly.
if you have a blowout, do not lift off throttle, or brake, but maintain throttle, slowly attempt to turn towards the emergency lane, and then only reduce throttle gradually till you slow down enough to apply the brakes..
for both to happen at the same time, very very unlikely. the punctured tyre could be due to hitting the barriers.
best thing to do is to drive defensively. slow down when driving in the rain, and maintain a safe following distance from the car in front. Dont take for granted your own safety just because you drive a merc, or a bmw.
hydroplaning has nothing to do with ABS!!! The simple fact is, it happens when you run over standing water, or a volume of water too great for your tyres to clear from its threads, hence the tyres lose contact with the road entirely.
the car going sideways when hydroplaning could be caused by the driver applying steering input.
rainracer, your obeservation on tyres is correct.
weight of car has no bearing on this. if weight of car played a part on hydroplaning, just think F1 cars.
this is a tough call, if your car hydroplanes, its just a matter of keeping cool, keep steering straight ahead, and no sudden moves. reduce throttle, but do not lift off 100% or suddenly.
if you have a blowout, do not lift off throttle, or brake, but maintain throttle, slowly attempt to turn towards the emergency lane, and then only reduce throttle gradually till you slow down enough to apply the brakes..
for both to happen at the same time, very very unlikely. the punctured tyre could be due to hitting the barriers.
best thing to do is to drive defensively. slow down when driving in the rain, and maintain a safe following distance from the car in front. Dont take for granted your own safety just because you drive a merc, or a bmw.
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ABS is not traction control, so I don't see why a passive device can work actively in this situation. ABS only works when the brake pedal is applied.
However, if you have any articles or research paper to show otherwise, I'm all ears to learn new things.
However, if you have any articles or research paper to show otherwise, I'm all ears to learn new things.
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Aquaplanning penetration speed is 80km/hr (maximum). Do not exceed this speed when there is standing water.
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affan66 said:
If u guys drive within area from Sg. Buloh and Tg. Malim better be careful. That area is the hot spot for plan accident. Why? do u guys realize along that strectch is where most of the repair workshop and tow truck populated compared anywhere else in Peninsular.
I also once got accident,my 1st car accident, just before Rawang exit because the car infornt of me had spin during raining (lady driver). The experience with tow truck was so terrible. The gangster from 2 workshop fought with each other in front of Rawang police station to claim the right to tow my car. The PLUS guy...not much help...dun trust them especially the young ones, if they recommend to you any workshop..they also been paid by the workshop to influence the accident victims...
