SMG Share thread

[BlackCat]

Bro, it could just be the seals. Do check/confirm with the other M owners here.

I believe there was a discussion in this forum on this issue and some info on the seals.

Another good reference is the m3forum.

Good luck n take care.

 

[infinityKL]

halo Bertz.. thanks for the feedback...

ur 156 looks red hot... i opted for the V6 simply bcoz of the Jap GB wt H-Gate... can whack
i hv stopped worrying about the SMG compared to when i first got it, now whacking..
all the reading up only scare the shit out of me on how fragile the SMG is...
im still wondering how this fella's in Germany can put such a box wt so much reliability issues ?!?!:stupid:
well, its Italian made hehe ... :listen:

cheers
sach

 

[clavenk]

car sent to bm world, fix long shaft, service actuator pump and change o ring, change engine mounting , change gearbox mouting.
bill breakdown
1) long shaft and labor (cut front part of mine and back part from another half cut condition shaft), rm 1300.00
2) actuator service + change o ring, rm 600.00
3) CHF11s fluid 2liter for actuator pump, rm 90 per liter. rm 180
4) engine mounting, rm 255 per piece, left and right 2 piece. rm 510
5) gearbox mounting, rm 68 per piece, change 2. rm 136.
6) labor for change mouting, rm 100.
total rm 2832.00.

 

[B33mEr]

Hi guys....

Its a great effort to have a SMG Discussion thread...kudos

Hope i can chime in as well..

I bought an M3 E46 last year. Before that my ride is the alfa 156 selespeed; ownin it for 5 years now roughly. So i'm quite regular with the AMT. So I told myself, SMG shudnt be a problem. LOL...

So it happen when i sent my car last week for replacing the Rear trailing Arm bush, front Control arm Bush, subframe bush and few other bushes. While we were there, i can see that there's a little oil residue on the joint of my gearbox..thinking of it might be the gearbox oil seal, decided to do it once and for all..

To my surprise, the leak seems to come from the Output cylinder/slave cylinder (Part Number : 21522229841). The leak causes the oil to seep in the casing where the clutch and the flywheel sit. So went to check the clutch oil reservoir (the foreman said) and indeed, the clutch oil is way too low..and its nearly time for the clutch..and recommendable to change the flywheel as well..owh my..

Not sure if the foreman get the part number right, but he told me its gonna cost like RM9k to change it. I still remember the previous owner did change the whole hydraulic unit at Sapura in 2009 for nearly RM10k. The actuator shud last more than that; i think so. So went back and check if the part is correct, the part failing is this part..

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=searchCatalogOEM&siteid=214672

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin...tion=Genuine BMW Part: Output Cylinder,Clutch

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BL93&mospid=47714&btnr=21_0174&hg=21&fg=10

Its item no. 9.

If its really RM9k, i'm really fark up...LOL..

But it does look like the parts that bro Beemer said in the first few pages. and now i'm like hmmmm....

Honestly, there isnt a problem at all with the system. No juddering, No gear slip to Neutral, No gear miss slip from 1st to 3rd or from 2nd to 4th gear, the gear never stuck at one particular gear, no problem with reversing, no blinking whatsoever at the instrument cluster. Its just purely a simple bushing job, turn out to be a clutch, flywheel and a slave cylinder job.

Oh my, gonna get some sleep...

Will update you guys 2moro...

According to realoem.com the cost is around USD264 for item no. 8 so i don't know why your mech quoted 9k... If it's your slave cylinder that is leaking then i wouldn't worry much if i were you it's possible to change just that only. Do get a 2nd opinion

Surprisingly the M3 slave cylinder is by far cheaper than the SSG slave cylinder which breaks down often USD264 vs USD 1k

car sent to bm world, fix long shaft, service actuator pump and change o ring, change engine mounting , change gearbox mouting.
bill breakdown
1) long shaft and labor (cut front part of mine and back part from another half cut condition shaft), rm 1300.00
2) actuator service + change o ring, rm 600.00
3) CHF11s fluid 2liter for actuator pump, rm 90 per liter. rm 180
4) engine mounting, rm 255 per piece, left and right 2 piece. rm 510
5) gearbox mounting, rm 68 per piece, change 2. rm 136.
6) labor for change mouting, rm 100.
total rm 2832.00.

 

[mr_bertz]

Bro, it could just be the seals. Do check/confirm with the other M owners here.

I believe there was a discussion in this forum on this issue and some info on the seals.

Another good reference is the m3forum.

Good luck n take care.

Thanks bro..

Resort to changing the new original unit. Quoted from Bavaria Auto for RM1500. But they need to place an order on this parts. 2 weeks waiting period. Hopefully everything went well 2moro.

 

[mr_bertz]

halo Bertz.. thanks for the feedback...

ur 156 looks red hot... i opted for the V6 simply bcoz of the Jap GB wt H-Gate... can whack
i hv stopped worrying about the SMG compared to when i first got it, now whacking..
all the reading up only scare the shit out of me on how fragile the SMG is...
im still wondering how this fella's in Germany can put such a box wt so much reliability issues ?!?!:stupid:
well, its Italian made hehe ... :listen:

cheers
sach

Mine is silver bro.. but sold it to a nice chap 2/3 weeks back. Now its just the M3. I do have to say that i miss the engine note from an Alfa. Urs is nice a nice ride bro. So if urs is a V6, bro that sound from ur engine, is an orchestra. LOL... And the interior, nothin can compare with the Italians. Wud reconsider finding a V6 if moolah permits me. LOL.

But, Italian is well know to produce beautiful things, but arent reliable at all. Having said that the SMG did uses the Magneti Marelli parts. LOL. If i can remember, for the non M3 SMG, the oil reservoir have a SELESPEED words on it.

Having said that, if you wanted a manual gearbox with a ease of an automatic transmission, nothing can beat the AMT. Owh well, i'm so ever used to it by now.

 

[mr_bertz]

Bro beemer,

I think my mech is a bit confuse on which pump it is.

if the M3 slave cylinder is cheaper than the normal SMG, can you guys use the M3 slave cylinder then?

Is there a place where i can try to replace the seal of the broken slave cylinder? and maybe try to put it into an E46 SMG. But the socket might not fit..hmmmm....

 

[B33mEr]

Bro beemer,

I think my mech is a bit confuse on which pump it is.

if the M3 slave cylinder is cheaper than the normal SMG, can you guys use the M3 slave cylinder then?

Is there a place where i can try to replace the seal of the broken slave cylinder? and maybe try to put it into an E46 SMG. But the socket might not fit..hmmmm....

How i wish non-M SMG can use the E46 M3 parts simply because ///M parts are much beefier and stronger. But it wont fit

You can talk to ah wai of BM World and see what he says on the o-ring - 012 220 6387 while at it do also call M-Scope (g/box specialist) tan sian hwong - 012-2351667. It would be better if you pay them a visit and seek their expert opinions.

Do update us bro on the findings ...

 

[clavenk]

According to realoem.com the cost is around USD264 for item no. 8 so i don't know why your mech quoted 9k... If it's your slave cylinder that is leaking then i wouldn't worry much if i were you it's possible to change just that only. Do get a 2nd opinion

Surprisingly the M3 slave cylinder is by far cheaper than the SSG slave cylinder which breaks down often USD264 vs USD 1k





So how's the drive bro??? Also how long is the warranty given by BM World for the oil seal?

Still no good. after change long shaft he said my rim need change, is bent badly. after i swap rim with another car bmw stock rim, i still feel steering slight juddering, but is much better than my rim. And now i dunno what problem causing it.

regarding to the actuator pump, after replacing o ring and service. My car still juddering, he said is because my clutch. Gonna spent at least another 3-4k for changing parts.faint. but no pain no gain right?

 

[clavenk]

Still no good. after change long shaft he said my rim need change, is bent badly. after i swap rim with another car bmw stock rim, i still feel steering slight juddering, but is much better than my rim. And now i dunno what problem causing it.

regarding to the actuator pump, after replacing o ring and service. My car still juddering, he said is because my clutch. Gonna spent at least another 3-4k for changing parts.faint. but no pain no gain right?

Next thing to spend is to change rim first. Then see what causing the steering to shake. The symptoms feels like lower arm. But i just change it. After that gonna be changing clutch. He quote me 2k + for clutch and labor.

 

[mr_bertz]

Bro clavenk,

Your juddering issue, where is it to be precise? I mean, do u feel it on your steering or while it accelerate from the engine?

Hmm...u get wut i mean yep? Hahahaha..

 

[clavenk]

Bro clavenk,

Your juddering issue, where is it to be precise? I mean, do u feel it on your steering or while it accelerate from the engine?

Hmm...u get wut i mean yep? Hahahaha..

ok i got 2 problem now.
1st one is steering/bottom compartment(where drive and passenger stepping on, basically is the carpet area) kinda like slight vibrating when speeding above 80.
2nd problem is when going slope, start accelerate, the engine judder, like not enough fuel like that.

 

[snchin]

bro clavenk,

I can bet you 2 kupangs that the vibration you are experiencing is from your long shaft. Your shaft has been cut and welded back? Was it harmonically balanced? Dunno the term is correct or not. But basically, if your shaft is not perfectly straight, i will vibrate when it spins. The senstation you are feeling is similar to that of a rim that has not been balanced. Have you seen how fast does the long shaft spin when the car's in motion? I could be wrong, but like i said, i strongly feel it's your long shaft thats giving you issues.

 

[clavenk]

bro clavenk,

I can bet you 2 kupangs that the vibration you are experiencing is from your long shaft. Your shaft has been cut and welded back? Was it harmonically balanced? Dunno the term is correct or not. But basically, if your shaft is not perfectly straight, i will vibrate when it spins. The senstation you are feeling is similar to that of a rim that has not been balanced. Have you seen how fast does the long shaft spin when the car's in motion? I could be wrong, but like i said, i strongly feel it's your long shaft thats giving you issues.

That's the thing im worrying also, cause now the workshop is claiming my rim is causing big problem cause "kok" already(i mean not in good piece, sry i dunno what the word to use.lol). And after i swap a set of stock rim, i still feel my leg is vibrating, not as bad as my rim.

 

[clavenk]

That's the thing im worrying also, cause now the workshop is claiming my rim is causing big problem cause "kok" already(i mean not in good piece, sry i dunno what the word to use.lol). And after i swap a set of stock rim, i still feel my leg is vibrating, not as bad as my rim.

by the way, i dun have a good working shaft to try. i cant tell him is it the shaft giving this vibrate. So im kinda stuck with the vibrate.

 

[snchin]

actually, why did u change the long shaft in the first place? these shaft are normally bullet proof and dont fail. Another thing you might wanna try is to check on the centre bearing that holds the long shaft. Try to get a second opinion from another shop. I am sure there are many other reputable shops around klang valley that the other members can recommend.

As far as rims are concerned, I seriously doubt thats the problem as you mentioned you went back to stock rims and still have vibrations.

FYI, brand new long shaft for E36, import direct from Germany, with a waiting period of 2 months, costs about RM3K.

I am guessing that it's gonna be about the same cost for E46 as well. This is the worst case scenario la.

 

[clavenk]

actually, why did u change the long shaft in the first place? these shaft are normally bullet proof and dont fail. Another thing you might wanna try is to check on the centre bearing that holds the long shaft. Try to get a second opinion from another shop. I am sure there are many other reputable shops around klang valley that the other members can recommend.

As far as rims are concerned, I seriously doubt thats the problem as you mentioned you went back to stock rims and still have vibrations.

FYI, brand new long shaft for E36, import direct from Germany, with a waiting period of 2 months, costs about RM3K.

I am guessing that it's gonna be about the same cost for E46 as well. This is the worst case scenario la.

yaya, 3k +. The problem i dun wan to wait that's y i choose the the welding one. But now causing problem edi.. actually i also dun think is because of rim. BTW any recommended workshop i can get second opinion?

 

[mr_bertz]

Are u in serdang bro?

We can go yamcha in paparich equine park..

Maybe by having a ride in yours might give me a clear view on how it feels like... it sounds like ur spending is never ending bro..

I live in equine park bro..

 

[B33mEr]

Any SMG owners going to BMWCM official TT this friday at sunway borneo???

 

[clavenk]

Are u in serdang bro?

We can go yamcha in paparich equine park..

Maybe by having a ride in yours might give me a clear view on how it feels like... it sounds like ur spending is never ending bro..

I live in equine park bro..

yaya, im staying in serdang, ya ya we can go for yamchar in paparich or mcd, or kfc also can. ahhaa. let's set a date to meet up, but not so soon la, after this week. planning to go change rim saturday.