320i VS 320d

[sh_Callum]

Look at those squid or octopus (buses) on the road, you will know why. And we have no clue why JPJ don't catch them, but so busy catching tinted windows.

 

[splee]

Thanks for sharing Prot. I was never aware that my diesel car would be causing so much grievances to the people around. I shall look towards replacing my diesel car now. Perhaps a nice V8 would suffice.

It's not your fault. It's our garmen fault. Diesel technology is meant to save the environment and not destroy it. It's unbelievable that we are still on euro 2 when we are just a few years away from a developed nation. BMW is also unethical to promote diesel cars with DPF removed. I am sure BMW is aware of the harmful diesel emission when DPF is removed. So please save our environment and care for the health of other road users, avoid diesel cars with DPF removed.

 

[gendong]

Thanks for sharing Prot. I was never aware that my diesel car would be causing so much grievances to the people around. I shall look towards replacing my diesel car now. Perhaps a nice V8 would suffice.

Now now mavik......dont fret or worry too much. Enjoy ur ride responsibly.

That is all that matters. :rock:

 

[tigger]

The new diesel engines will be released with the 3-series facelifted version. Expected sometime 2015/2016

Sad to say that the depreciation value for diesel is worse compared to their petrol siblings. Best to look for the premium selection cars that way your 1st year depreciation is sort of negated.

Guess the face-lifted version would be a little too long to wait

The premium selection is not cheap either. Will have to buy it and just enjoy the drive.. hehehe!!

A little concerned about the water ingress into the air-intake during flood and heavy rain which I had read about in another thread. What precautions to most people take on this besides buying the extra insurance for floods and not restarting when the car stalls? WIll diesel engines have to be more careful on this?

Cheers.

 

[seancorr]

Guess the face-lifted version would be a little too long to wait

The premium selection is not cheap either. Will have to buy it and just enjoy the drive.. hehehe!!

A little concerned about the water ingress into the air-intake during flood and heavy rain which I had read about in another thread. What precautions to most people take on this besides buying the extra insurance for floods and not restarting when the car stalls? WIll diesel engines have to be more careful on this?

Cheers.

My solution is to get a SUV to drive on rainy days....serious!

 

[dynamite]

Right now in Malaysia, everyday also got risk of rain wor

 

[joonsuan]

Just need to be smart about whether to attempt to drive through the flood waters. It is never a good idea, even with petrol engined cars, not just BMW.

 

[Mavik]

It's not your fault. It's our garmen fault. Diesel technology is meant to save the environment and not destroy it. It's unbelievable that we are still on euro 2 when we are just a few years away from a developed nation. BMW is also unethical to promote diesel cars with DPF removed. I am sure BMW is aware of the harmful diesel emission when DPF is removed. So please save our environment and care for the health of other road users, avoid diesel cars with DPF removed.

Shit mine is even worse, DPF and catalytic converter removed. Damn, need to make sure I aim my exhaust elsewhere then!

Now now mavik......dont fret or worry too much. Enjoy ur ride responsibly.

That is all that matters. :rock:

Being a responsible driver, I shall avoid point my exhaust at you Gendong ok?

Guess the face-lifted version would be a little too long to wait

The premium selection is not cheap either. Will have to buy it and just enjoy the drive.. hehehe!!

A little concerned about the water ingress into the air-intake during flood and heavy rain which I had read about in another thread. What precautions to most people take on this besides buying the extra insurance for floods and not restarting when the car stalls? WIll diesel engines have to be more careful on this?

Cheers.

Best to get flood insurance coverage, if I am not mistaken, the premium is only 0.5% of the insured value of the car right?

 

[alantiong]

Actually, how clean or dirty the diesel fuel is depends on where you fill up. My fuel filter was replaced at 30k km at Quill and they told me that my filter was still clean. On that basis, I will continue using the same stations I have been using.

What really matters in my opinion is the risk that the injectors get clogged due to sulphur content, but then the "localized" diesel models run a different injector with larger nozzle openings and does not have DPF installed. Risk of clogging is actually lower than if you were to own a recon model.

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good sense... it is very true! u will be surprised to see what is in the tank when we clean it.

by the way, Euro 2 or 3 or 4..doesnt make any different to the fuel filter... the higher sulfur content is not at a physical level. its how dirty are the Underground Storage tanks at the station and how often the statin change their filter at dispenser.

 

[alantiong]

Thanks for sharing Prot. I was never aware that my diesel car would be causing so much grievances to the people around. I shall look towards replacing my diesel car now. Perhaps a nice V8 would suffice.

well petrol engines that produces Nox is no different...... still lots of carsinogic agents

 

[alantiong]

Just need to be smart about whether to attempt to drive through the flood waters. It is never a good idea, even with petrol engined cars, not just BMW.

thats why i drive ranger when it rains

 

[joonsuan]

thats why i drive ranger when it rains

Wah, teach me how to predict weather with certainty!

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[Prot]

well petrol engines that produces Nox is no different...... still lots of carsinogic agents

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2617425/The-deadly-diesel-deception-We-bullied-buying-diesel-cars-help-fight-global-warming-Now-experts-say-green-fuel-killing-thousands-us.html

And the cost of the switch to diesel is terrifying.
Diesel exhaust is a complex mixture of thousands of gases and fine particles that contains more than 40 toxic air contaminants. These include cancer-causing substances such as benzene, arsenic and formaldehyde, as well as other seriously harmful pollutants.

The microscopic particles in diesel exhaust are less than one-fifth the thickness of a human hair, small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and bloodstream, causing inflammation, asthma attacks, heart attacks and strokes, and worsening lung disease in the elderly and young. The World Health Organisation says long-term exposure to these particles — called PM2.5s because they are just two-and-a-half thousands of a millimetre across — alters the way children's brains grow and could make them less intelligent.

Californian research last year found a link between pollutants in diesel fumes and autism.
Other U.S. studies have shown that adults exposed to PM2.5s suffer a greater loss of mental faculties than those living away from pollution. The exhausts also spew out nitrogen dioxide, a substance that irritates lungs and reduces our ability to fight disease.
For people living near busy roads, the fumes are constant nightmare

 

[prodigy]

Just my two cents, I work in a company where 50% of the staff smokes and isn't this bad for my health too. The open burning, the forest fires from our neighbour. Sad to sad air pollution is part of our life, not just the diesel by products bring spewed out by our Diesel engines.

 

[splee]

Just my two cents, I work in a company where 50% of the staff smokes and isn't this bad for my health too. The open burning, the forest fires from our neighbour. Sad to sad air pollution is part of our life, not just the diesel by products bring spewed out by our Diesel engines.

Just because there's so much air pollution around us does not give you the excuse to pollute our air further. Similarly just because so much rubbish on the road does not mean you can throw more rubbish.

 

[Mavik]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2617425/The-deadly-diesel-deception-We-bullied-buying-diesel-cars-help-fight-global-warming-Now-experts-say-green-fuel-killing-thousands-us.html

And the cost of the switch to diesel is terrifying.
Diesel exhaust is a complex mixture of thousands of gases and fine particles that contains more than 40 toxic air contaminants. These include cancer-causing substances such as benzene, arsenic and formaldehyde, as well as other seriously harmful pollutants.

The microscopic particles in diesel exhaust are less than one-fifth the thickness of a human hair, small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and bloodstream, causing inflammation, asthma attacks, heart attacks and strokes, and worsening lung disease in the elderly and young. The World Health Organisation says long-term exposure to these particles — called PM2.5s because they are just two-and-a-half thousands of a millimetre across — alters the way children's brains grow and could make them less intelligent.

Californian research last year found a link between pollutants in diesel fumes and autism.
Other U.S. studies have shown that adults exposed to PM2.5s suffer a greater loss of mental faculties than those living away from pollution. The exhausts also spew out nitrogen dioxide, a substance that irritates lungs and reduces our ability to fight disease.
For people living near busy roads, the fumes are constant nightmare

A very good eye opener. I hope since you are such an advocate for this that you would also start increasing awareness of the harmfulness of diesel. There are just so many vehicles which run on diesel which does cause so much harm to our healthy. If you can convince the government about the detriments of diesel, I am sure that in the long run it can be beneficial to our country. First if you can convince the government, that means that they can cut diesel vehicles and start to promote cleaner electric and hybrid vehicles. Secondly they can then cut the diesel subsidy which will save them billions. With no diesel in the air, there will be less health problems and also less cost in terms of public health care and also for the private sector where their employees will have less sick days. Very good cause indeed.

Dear prot, if you do campaign for this I will support your campaign and if you want to make a strong statement out there do let me know, I can help by providing some media coverage.

 

[Mavik]

Just because there's so much air pollution around us does not give you the excuse to pollute our air further. Similarly just because so much rubbish on the road does not mean you can throw more rubbish.

Totally agree on that. Be the change that we all want to see.

 

[joonsuan]

I am all for hybrid electric cars! Just make them all tax-exempt!

 

[supersonic]

Dear bros, what I understand is diesel 320d produces less co2 than the petrol ones . Maybe without pdf, the particles in d air might b more but it is LOWER CO2. Co2 is d major concern now as it is causing global warming n there will bemass extinction of life in future if not controled. So by using diesel bmw, we r actually destroying the world less thsn petrol vehicles

 

[alantiong]

there you go.. a reasonable comment.

at the amount of pollutant of a 320d emits is so little compare to the nox my V12 emits .. in any magnitute , degree and any planet..

we must take into consideration that the emission and efficiency of diesel/petrol engines is always in a flip flop balance. considering the real improvement of diesel CDI is just within the pass decade while the petrol technology is much developed for decades.. there will be always be two camps saying who is better.. but come on.. if we are serious about environment.. dun drive..

so i reckon .. maintain you rides as well as you can.. and drive as reasonable as we can..

Dear bros, what I understand is diesel 320d produces less co2 than the petrol ones . Maybe without pdf, the particles in d air might b more but it is LOWER CO2. Co2 is d major concern now as it is causing global warming n there will bemass extinction of life in future if not controled. So by using diesel bmw, we r actually destroying the world less thsn petrol ve