320i VS 320d

[Prot]

if one cannot stand the smell of 320d diesel smell.

wait till you smell the B10 and above smell. I was in the US recently, and a dude was pumping B20 into his truck. (i know, what are the odds right?)

his exhaust fumes smelt like rotten eggs..

anyways,

Malaysia's diesel is Euro 2 and the world is moving towards Euro 6. Dirty diesel in Malaysia actually clogs your oil filter quicker which means that your maintenance IS higher. Also, long term (of mainly town use, which equates to severe usage) your cat and your exhaust system will need replacing. high-mileage users can delay the effects, but until we get cleaner diesels, the maintenance costs WILL almost always be higher than its petrol sibling. Merc has a 4 year warranty on petrol and they are not willing to offer 4 years warranty for their diesels.

another note. Yes, CO2 of diesel per litre is lower than petrol but the "other bad stuff" isnt measured accordingly.

http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/06/14/diesel-fumes-definitely-cause-cancer-should-we-be-worried/

 

[Mavik]

The only hope for existing diesel users so far is waiting for the Petronas Refinery complex to be completed on time in Johor so that the refining of Euro 4 diesel can be done. I guess once that is ready, the rest of the refineries will follow suit.

 

[tigger]

The 320d M Sport has the M Sport 3 spoke steering and comes with 18" rims which are staggered between front and rear. As for the engine difference it looks about the same on paper maybe tuned a bit for the F30 but a brand new diesel engine should be on its way here..when exactly is it arriving is up to BMW Malaysia to decide.

I think AB gives the best deal in terms of sales but has the worse after sales service among all the dealers. I'm using Quill at the moment and although they do have their faults, its still tolerable as they are taking up responsibility for their mistakes. I do hear good stuff about the Ingress Damansara branch too.

Thanks for the clarification, bro. I knew the wheels were an inch bigger than the normal. Anyone knows when the new diesel engines will be in? Will it be better or there will be the usual teething problems with the new engines?

I went to Ingress last month on a Sunday and nobody bothered to serve me.. hahaha!!

Cheers.

 

[tigger]

The only hope for existing diesel users so far is waiting for the Petronas Refinery complex to be completed on time in Johor so that the refining of Euro 4 diesel can be done. I guess once that is ready, the rest of the refineries will follow suit.

I thought there already is a Euro 4 diesel refinery plant in Port Dickson? possibly another is being built to ensure sufficient supply. I hope the Euro 4 siesel will be implemented soon. Kinda keen on the 320d and AB Glenmarie did not have one for test drive when I went there. Maybe I will try Quill and check if they have one for test drive

Cheers.

 

[Prot]

I thought there already is a Euro 4 diesel refinery plant in Port Dickson? possibly another is being built to ensure sufficient supply. I hope the Euro 4 siesel will be implemented soon. Kinda keen on the 320d and AB Glenmarie did not have one for test drive when I went there. Maybe I will try Quill and check if they have one for test drive

Cheers.

as long as our diesel is subsidized, the Euro 4 diesel for Malaysians will be delayed as long as possible. Also, the cost of conversion requires money, and oil companies will take their time. Last i checked, they will only be full Euro 4 in Malaysia by late 2017.

 

[Prot]

Interesting read. http://www.rac.co.uk/community/blog/rac-blog/january-2012/euro-6-and-diesel-vehicles

We are Euro 2.... which is a 1996 standard.....

 

[Mavik]

I thought there already is a Euro 4 diesel refinery plant in Port Dickson? possibly another is being built to ensure sufficient supply. I hope the Euro 4 siesel will be implemented soon. Kinda keen on the 320d and AB Glenmarie did not have one for test drive when I went there. Maybe I will try Quill and check if they have one for test drive

Cheers.

In one of the older articles from 2009 (you can download the article in the link here), there is a refinery train (PSR-2) at Sungai Udang, Melaka, which actually refines up to ultra low sulphur diesel (supposed to be rated at 50ppm for sulphur content). Apparently the diesel is all exported out.

 

[tigger]

Those were interesting articles on diesel. Diesel seems to be the way to go and we should be having Euro 4 or even 5 fuel in the country. It is a real shame on us when Thailand and Singapore have it and us, being an oil producing nation and an oil refiner as well, do not have this environmentally friendly fuel for our cars.

Can I safely assume too that the depreciation, ie. resale value, of the petrol and diesel engined F30s are about the same?

Cheers.

 

[seancorr]

Thanks for the clarification, bro. I knew the wheels were an inch bigger than the normal. Anyone knows when the new diesel engines will be in? Will it be better or there will be the usual teething problems with the new engines?

I went to Ingress last month on a Sunday and nobody bothered to serve me.. hahaha!!

Cheers.

No news on when the new diesel engine will be arriving but I do not foresee any teething problems with new engines as when we do get the new engine, other more advanced countries would have tested it for us haha.

Sad...I once walked in to AB and got the same treatment lol.

I thought there already is a Euro 4 diesel refinery plant in Port Dickson? possibly another is being built to ensure sufficient supply. I hope the Euro 4 siesel will be implemented soon. Kinda keen on the 320d and AB Glenmarie did not have one for test drive when I went there. Maybe I will try Quill and check if they have one for test drive

Cheers.

Can't comment on the refinery plant here in Bolehland but it'll arrive here when they do make the decision...its just a matter of when...

When I sent in my car in to Quill last week to claim warranty I did saw a 320d M Sport demo car parking there.

 

[joonsuan]

Actually, how clean or dirty the diesel fuel is depends on where you fill up. My fuel filter was replaced at 30k km at Quill and they told me that my filter was still clean. On that basis, I will continue using the same stations I have been using.

What really matters in my opinion is the risk that the injectors get clogged due to sulphur content, but then the "localized" diesel models run a different injector with larger nozzle openings and does not have DPF installed. Risk of clogging is actually lower than if you were to own a recon model.

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[tigger]

No news on when the new diesel engine will be arriving but I do not foresee any teething problems with new engines as when we do get the new engine, other more advanced countries would have tested it for us haha.

Sad...I once walked in to AB and got the same treatment lol.


Can't comment on the refinery plant here in Bolehland but it'll arrive here when they do make the decision...its just a matter of when...

When I sent in my car in to Quill last week to claim warranty I did saw a 320d M Sport demo car parking there.

That's good to hear. Will definitely drop by Quill and try it out.

Cheers.

 

[tigger]

Actually, how clean or dirty the diesel fuel is depends on where you fill up. My fuel filter was replaced at 30k km at Quill and they told me that my filter was still clean. On that basis, I will continue using the same stations I have been using.

What really matters in my opinion is the risk that the injectors get clogged due to sulphur content, but then the "localized" diesel models run a different injector with larger nozzle openings and does not have DPF installed. Risk of clogging is actually lower than if you were to own a recon model.

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Which station would that be? Read that some Petronas pumps give better diesel than others. I would have thought it would be all the same.

Cheers.

 

[Prot]

Which station would that be? Read that some Petronas pumps give better diesel than others. I would have thought it would be all the same.

Cheers.

Actually, how clean or dirty the diesel fuel is depends on where you fill up. My fuel filter was replaced at 30k km at Quill and they told me that my filter was still clean. On that basis, I will continue using the same stations I have been using.

What really matters in my opinion is the risk that the injectors get clogged due to sulphur content, but then the "localized" diesel models run a different injector with larger nozzle openings and does not have DPF installed. Risk of clogging is actually lower than if you were to own a recon model.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/10573720/DPF-removal-the-facts.html

but in Malaysia, remove anything also nobody will care.

 

[joonsuan]

Prot, the DPF is removed here in Malaysia due to the Euro2 grade diesel here, the high sulphur content will kill the DPF double quick. As a diesel car owner, I am perfectly happy with the performance and efficiency of a diesel car. My only wish is to have Euro5 fuel available for even better efficiency and cleaner emissions.

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[joonsuan]

Which station would that be? Read that some Petronas pumps give better diesel than others. I would have thought it would be all the same.

Cheers.

My first choice would be BHP station at either on Jalan Damansara before the toll or the one at Mutiara Damansara. Next would be Petronas at Kota Damansara. These are the regular stations that I use.

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[Prot]

Prot, the DPF is removed here in Malaysia due to the Euro2 grade diesel here, the high sulphur content will kill the DPF double quick. As a diesel car owner, I am perfectly happy with the performance and efficiency of a diesel car. My only wish is to have Euro5 fuel available for even better efficiency and cleaner emissions.

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correct, but the DPF is installed for a reason. People with diesel cars in Malaysia are actually affecting the health of others. What BMW Malaysia has done is actually unethical.


Check out the excerpt from Wiki below:

Diesel particulate matter (DPM), sometimes also called diesel exhaust particles (DEP), is the particulate component of diesel exhaust, which includes diesel soot andaerosols such as ash particulates, metallic abrasion particles, sulfates, and silicates. When released into the atmosphere, DPM can take the form of individual particles or chain aggregates, with most in the invisible sub-micrometre range of 100 nanometers, also known as ultrafine particles (UFP) or PM0.1.
The main particulate fraction of diesel exhaust consists of fine particles. Because of their small size, inhaled particles may easily penetrate deep into the lungs. The rough surfaces of these particles makes it easy for them to bind with other toxins in the environment, thus increasing the hazards of particle inhalation.

Health effects[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]
Exposures have been linked with acute short-term symptoms such as headache, dizziness, light-headedness, nausea, coughing, difficult or labored breathing, tightness of chest, and irritation of the eyes and nose and throat[citation needed]. Long-term exposures can lead to chronic, more serious health problems such as cardiovascular disease, cardiopulmonary disease, and lung cancer.[11][7][8] The NERC-HPA funded 'Traffic Pollution and Health in London' project at King's College London is currently seeking to refine our understanding of the health effects of traffic pollution. Ambient traffic-related air pollution was associated with decreased cognitive function in older men.[10]
Mortality from diesel soot exposure in 2001 was at least 14,400 out of the German population of 82 million, according to the official report 2352 of the Umweltbundesamt Berlin(Federal Environmental Agency of Germany).
The study of nanoparticles and nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, but the full health effects from nanoparticles produced by all types of diesel is still being uncovered. It is already clear enough, however, that the health detriments of fine particle emissions are severe and pervasive. Although one study found no significant evidence that short term exposure to diesel exhaust results in adverse extra-pulmonary effects, effects that are often correlated with an increase in cardiovascular disease,[12] a 2011 study in The Lancet concluded that traffic exposure is the single most serious preventable trigger of heart attack in the general public, the cause of 7.4% of all attacks.[9] It is impossible to tell how much of this effect is due to the stress of being in traffic and how much is due to exposure to exhaust.[citation needed]
Since the study of the detrimental health effects of nanoparticles (nanotoxicology) is still in its infancy, and the nature and extent of negative health impacts from diesel exhaust continues to be discovered.

 

[tigger]

My first choice would be BHP station at either on Jalan Damansara before the toll or the one at Mutiara Damansara. Next would be Petronas at Kota Damansara. These are the regular stations that I use.

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Will definitely keep that in mind.

Cheers.

 

[Mavik]

correct, but the DPF is installed for a reason. People with diesel cars in Malaysia are actually affecting the health of others. What BMW Malaysia has done is actually unethical.


Check out the excerpt from Wiki below:

Diesel particulate matter (DPM), sometimes also called diesel exhaust particles (DEP), is the particulate component of diesel exhaust, which includes diesel soot andaerosols such as ash particulates, metallic abrasion particles, sulfates, and silicates. When released into the atmosphere, DPM can take the form of individual particles or chain aggregates, with most in the invisible sub-micrometre range of 100 nanometers, also known as ultrafine particles (UFP) or PM0.1.
The main particulate fraction of diesel exhaust consists of fine particles. Because of their small size, inhaled particles may easily penetrate deep into the lungs. The rough surfaces of these particles makes it easy for them to bind with other toxins in the environment, thus increasing the hazards of particle inhalation.
Health effects[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]
Exposures have been linked with acute short-term symptoms such as headache, dizziness, light-headedness, nausea, coughing, difficult or labored breathing, tightness of chest, and irritation of the eyes and nose and throat[citation needed]. Long-term exposures can lead to chronic, more serious health problems such as cardiovascular disease, cardiopulmonary disease, and lung cancer.[11][7][8] The NERC-HPA funded 'Traffic Pollution and Health in London' project at King's College London is currently seeking to refine our understanding of the health effects of traffic pollution. Ambient traffic-related air pollution was associated with decreased cognitive function in older men.[10]
Mortality from diesel soot exposure in 2001 was at least 14,400 out of the German population of 82 million, according to the official report 2352 of the Umweltbundesamt Berlin(Federal Environmental Agency of Germany).
The study of nanoparticles and nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, but the full health effects from nanoparticles produced by all types of diesel is still being uncovered. It is already clear enough, however, that the health detriments of fine particle emissions are severe and pervasive. Although one study found no significant evidence that short term exposure to diesel exhaust results in adverse extra-pulmonary effects, effects that are often correlated with an increase in cardiovascular disease,[12] a 2011 study in The Lancet concluded that traffic exposure is the single most serious preventable trigger of heart attack in the general public, the cause of 7.4% of all attacks.[9] It is impossible to tell how much of this effect is due to the stress of being in traffic and how much is due to exposure to exhaust.[citation needed]
Since the study of the detrimental health effects of nanoparticles (nanotoxicology) is still in its infancy, and the nature and extent of negative health impacts from diesel exhaust continues to be discovered.

Thanks for sharing Prot. I was never aware that my diesel car would be causing so much grievances to the people around. I shall look towards replacing my diesel car now. Perhaps a nice V8 would suffice.

 

[Mavik]

No news on when the new diesel engine will be arriving but I do not foresee any teething problems with new engines as when we do get the new engine, other more advanced countries would have tested it for us haha.

Sad...I once walked in to AB and got the same treatment lol.


Can't comment on the refinery plant here in Bolehland but it'll arrive here when they do make the decision...its just a matter of when...

When I sent in my car in to Quill last week to claim warranty I did saw a 320d M Sport demo car parking there.

The new diesel engines will be released with the 3-series facelifted version. Expected sometime 2015/2016

Those were interesting articles on diesel. Diesel seems to be the way to go and we should be having Euro 4 or even 5 fuel in the country. It is a real shame on us when Thailand and Singapore have it and us, being an oil producing nation and an oil refiner as well, do not have this environmentally friendly fuel for our cars.

Can I safely assume too that the depreciation, ie. resale value, of the petrol and diesel engined F30s are about the same?

Cheers.

Sad to say that the depreciation value for diesel is worse compared to their petrol siblings. Best to look for the premium selection cars that way your 1st year depreciation is sort of negated.

 

[splee]

Interesting read. http://www.rac.co.uk/community/blog/rac-blog/january-2012/euro-6-and-diesel-vehicles

We are Euro 2.... which is a 1996 standard.....

That's almost 20 years ago. Cannot believe it that we are still running on Euro 2 when we are just a few years away from our vision 2020 as a developed nation.