Service Intervals.

[bimmerdude]

ah....is it possible for me to buy my own oil and have Ingress do the oil/filter change? car is still under warranty. and its the first after break in oil change.

thanks

 

[Schwepps]

Of course bah! They get to charge u RM700 and need not wait until BSRI expire wat..

They're both devil and angel at the same time..

Have some faith in human nature bah! A RM700 service job gives chicken-feed margin to them. And BSRI is paid by BMWM, which is why any dealer is willing to do work on any other dealer's car. And my conversation with him was broader than I want to describe: among other things, it was about whether he thought the oil needs to be changed after run-in when the official BMW line is that it doesn't. His personal opinion was that it was good to change run-in oil.

I asked an AB guy the same thing for my 1st unit and a C&C guy for my W211 and they said the same thing. AND I don't talk to just anybody in the shop, I talk to the branch managers.

 

[Morganl]

I got my car in May 08, recently send the car back after Merdeka for some problem rectification and they changed the oil and oil filter as 1st FOC service for me. My mileage was bout 7k+.

 

[free2d]

Halo peolple,

Me new to bmw. My doubt is. should i follow service counter to change oil OR change oil as usual every 5Km?

Paise, my fist european car. Seem a bit complex unlike my Honda.

 

[Schwepps]

If you're using fully synthetic oil of the correct spec for your bimmer (as you should be) then every 12k or 6 months should be fine. The 25k service interval normally takes a year to reach and that's stretching it too long. Changing at 5k is wasteful for fully synthetic oil.

Which model bimmer you driving bro? Best to introduce yourself in the newbies section

 

[maanly]

After 6 months of using my beloved e90 and now at 25,000km, my obc shows a warning of servicing due another 3000km. So I made an appointment to Sapura Auto for my second servicing. I have 2 questions that baffles me.
1. For the second service at around 25-28k is it just a normal lube and oil filter service or anything more than that?
2. Why is that for the front brakes my obc shows reading of 60k more since it have not been changed since day one I got the car. I'm just afraid it goes more than my BSRI and I dont get free brake pad and plates. Further more I think I used the brakes hard and get black residues at the rims many times. The strange thing is the obc shows a lower reading of 38k to change the rear brakes compared of 60k for the front brakes. Please advise or comment please.
Many thanks.
Maanly.

 

[glock_8]

what maanly experienced on the brake made me think, if someone here that have surpass his brsi period....what are things that need to be changed when your car sent for the last bsri before it expire?
hopefully any senior can shed some light here:top:

 

[Schwepps]

I haven't taken a BMW past BSRI for more than 10 years now, so I don't know presently whether they stick strictly to condition-based changes or are willing to be flexible to promote customer loyalty. Perhaps some of the other forumers have recent experience.

I do know that at C&C, they were very good at the end of the 3-year warranty of my Merc W211. Changed: All the usual service items including sparks, engine mounts, entire exhaust system from manifold to pipes, all combustion sensors, entire petrol tank. All without my even asking for it! :top: It took one week, but worth it cos it was RM30k+ of work. It pays to be friendly and professional with a senior SC and even the Branch Manager.

I wish they'd changed the radiator fluid, brake fluid, brake pads and brake discs too because now, near the end of the 4th year, they need replacing.

 

[glock_8]

yeah, i've heard good story from a friend who bought his c-class from c&c too,

even the smallest defects on the parts gets replaced without you need to argue with them....really top notch!!!

 

[glock_8]

I've search in the forum for syntium and i think this has not been covered anywhere so i just paste this statement taken from the star paper to clear some doubts about engine oil the SA uses for BMW

A Syntium specifically for BMWs

Petronas Dagangan today commemorated its partnership with Sapura Auto, a BMW authorised dealer, in a symbolic signing ceremony held at the latter's 3S (sales, services and spare parts) centre here in Jalan Tun Razak, Kuala Lumpur.

Under the partnership, Petronas Dagangan will be supplying Sapura Auto with its high-performance, fully-synthetic engine oil, the Syntium 3000 LL, that has been exclusively developed by Petronas for BMW engines.

Signing on behalf of the two companies were Sapura Auto CEO Mohamad Mohar Ibrahim and Petronas Dagangan managing director/CEO Ibrahim Marsidi.

"As the largest petroleum products marketer in the country, we are committed to providing only the best quality products and services to the consumers,” said Ibrahim.

The Syntium 3000 LL is a BMW Longlife-01 (LL-01) approved oil, and the SAE 5W-30 multigrade meets ACEA A3/B3/B4 specifications. Features of the Syntium 3000 LL include exceptional thermal and oxidation stability as well as excellent engine cleanliness. The oil will not be retailed in the market, but is only available as a service fill.

With the Syntium 3000 LL, discerning BMW owners can experience for themselves an ultra-smooth engine performance on demand, Ibrahim added.

 

[Silver320]

Glock_8,

Many Oil with 5W-30 can be found in the market, what so great about the Petronas Syntium 3000 LL ? I have not replace my engine oil yet, currently at 7000 km, another 6000 km to go according to OBC, try to look for the suitable oil.

If Sapura is using Syntium 3000 LL, what about AB Sg. Besi and Ingress, any idea ?

Happy 2009...:wink:...but our BWM value had just depreciated another 20k (or more) as it is one year older:104:

 

[glock_8]

Glock_8,

Many Oil with 5W-30 can be found in the market, what so great about the Petronas Syntium 3000 LL ? I have not replace my engine oil yet, currently at 7000 km, another 6000 km to go according to OBC, try to look for the suitable oil.

If Sapura is using Syntium 3000 LL, what about AB Sg. Besi and Ingress, any idea ?

Happy 2009...:wink:...but our BWM value had just depreciated another 20k (or more) as it is one year older:104:

I just got my car 2 weeks ago and this is the first BMW i owned. When i asked the SA at sapura about the engine oil they're using, the SA told me they use syntium 3000. I was shocked at first since i didn't know that the Syntium that Sapura uses is not the ordinary syntium available in the market. So i reckon might just buy the syntium at petronas station and save me from paying rm700 since i intended to drain the oil after running-in 2000km. Luckily i found the article on the star (the one i posted) saying that the syntium that sapura use for bmw is specificallly supplied rated LL-01 as required by BMW. I don;t know bout other dealers what oil they used. But since this special LL-01 oil is rather expansive then the rm600++ oil service is justified and i will just send my car to the dealer after the running in.

and yeah many oil rated 5w-30 in the market but not all rated LL-01.

Yeah the depriciation is something u have to live with....buying a car that u love is for satisfaction....buy property if you seek for appreciation hahahaha

So there you go....

 

[Schwepps]

glock, silver, for your benefit, here's BMW SBS 5.0 on LL-01 oils: http://www.meeknet.co.uk/E38/E38_Recommended_Oils.pdf

You'll be hard put to find any of them on the open market here. Be careful even if you do, cos there's a lot of bootleg oil out there. If you want to protect your investment, service at official dealers or a reputable BMW speciallist.:wink:

BTW all the dealers; AB, IA, Sapura, use Syntium 3000 LL-01.

 

[Schwepps]

glock, based on a question asked of me in a PM by someone else, I'll go off topic for this post, but it's relevant to the issue of servicing our E90s. I think some forumers may not be aware that Petronas is quite new in the lube category of the industry. It imports the base oil marketed under its Syntium brand (which it's doing a good job of promoting in Asia and Europe) The Syntium 3000 LL-01 supplied to BMW here is certainly not made by Petronas. It is a fully synthetic oil and the market for fully synthetics here is very small, minute.

Petronas is only just embarking on lube oil production with its new Melaka hydrocarbon plant, supposed to start operating late-2008. But even that will produce Group II and III oils, which are MINERAL oils. The base oil stock will form the mineral component of semi-synthetic oils, which is a much more lucrative market here, and in Petronas' other markets in Asia and Europe.

Where is Syntium 3000 base oil actually synthesized? I don't know, I suspect Europe, maybe Italy. Maybe O&G sifu wc9922 will weigh in and enlighten us. The oil and gas industry is a globalised commodity business, and the downstream business models are mostly blending and branding exercises. Hence you can also get Boustead and Tesco petrol and oil.

 

[Silver320]

Thanks for the approved oil list, Schwepps. Great info.

BTW, what is it important to choose the oi with " LL" ?

 

[MSport]

Thanks for the approved oil list, Schwepps. Great info.

BTW, what is it important to choose the oi with " LL" ?

Methinks LL means Long Life....

 

[Schwepps]

Thanks for the approved oil list, Schwepps. Great info.

BTW, what is it important to choose the oi with " LL" ?

BMW Longlife is the BMW spec for oils suitable for its range of cars. It's important to use the specified oil for BMWs because its engines are among the most sophisticated in the world. If you just use any cheap oil from a petrol station shelf, don't complain later if you have higher engine wear, higher fuel consumption, and end up with a sludged-up engine. See http://www.castrol.ae/TDS_SDS/other/TDS_SLX Professional Longtec BMW LL01.pdf

BMW LL-01 (from 2001) is the specified oil for current E90s. So we don't need LL-04 yet and shouldn't use the older LL-98, which I believe can include Group III mineral oils in the blend. LL-01 must be a fully synthetic Group IV oil blend. Group IV is polyalphaolefin oil or PAO for short.

World PAO feedstock supply is tight after hurricane Ike off the US gulf coast shut down the ExxonMobil plant in Texas, so prices will remain high. BTW, European lube oil standards are higher than US standards, eg. Europe doesn't allow Group III oils to be called synthetic, but the US does. So I think (and hope) that Syntium 3000 originates in Europe. :top:

We do not have a PAO plant here, so please don't think Petronas Syntium 3000 is a 'local' oil. Neither can you get LL-01 oil off the shelf easily. Whatever is available is imported for factory and dealer fill. Quantities are minute by world standards, as you can imagine.

My personal opinion: all oils degrade from the first km of use. Even Group IV oils perform at an acceptable level only up to 10-12,000km. I would never wait until 25,000km before changing the oil.

 

[racheltoh]

have a silly question. when does the obc start to prompt us reminders to send the car for service?
1k, 5k before reaching the targetted mileage? (ie: let say i'm supposed to bring the car for bsri at 25k, they will start prompting at 20k? 23? 25k???)

 

[astroboy]

have a silly question. when does the obc start to prompt us reminders to send the car for service?

Every time you start an E90, the mileage-to-next-service is shown on the OBC, and the estimated month/year too if I'm not mistaken. U decide when you want to call the SC and make a reservation.

No need to wait until ZERO mileage-to-next-service, the SC will accept a +/- of 1,000km to 2,000km.

 

[thule]

what about after the oil change?? will they reset the meter???
Do you guys have any idea on how to reset?? If this is posted somewhere... can u point me to the link??? Thanks