Msport: 320d vs 325i

[supergripen]

It would be nice tho if u can have the best of both.

Mercedes has done so I believe..in the C250CGI.Its a 1.8 turbocharged petrol engine that has the torque and consumption of a diesel,combined with the convenience and the revvy nature of a petrol.

I think the next 3er will feature such an engine as BMW moves to turbocharging.The next 325i is said to feature a 2.0 4cyl turbo with circa 220-250bhp.Mind,this is just pure speculation from my readings at the e90POST forum.

 

[astroboy]

C250CGI cannot deactivate stability control right? Making it a boring car on spirited drive or tracking .. Not suitable for some1 who is located in "Sepang"..

Bear in mind that anxious was anxious about this other issue with the NA E90, the take off sluggishness. Is it better with the 320d variant? and yes, both may hit 100kph within 7.7~8sec but my money is on the 320d for the first 30~50kph, or from a cruising 30kph to 80kph, and that's what u want in Georgetown roads.. :wink:

 

[fabianyee]

BMW is working toward dynamic and efficiency goals.. And turbo does increase power efficiency when tuned correctly. Modern turbo tech has come a long way and turbo lag is a thing of the past now... unless u put in a big big snail aimed at high end horsepower chase..

 

[supergripen]

C250CGI cannot deactivate stability control right? Making it a boring car on spirited drive or tracking .. Not suitable for some1 who is located in "Sepang"..

Bear in mind that anxious was anxious about this other issue with the NA E90, the take off sluggishness. Is it better with the 320d variant? and yes, both may hit 100kph within 7.7~8sec but my money is on the 320d for the first 30~50kph, or from a cruising 30kph to 80kph, and that's what u want in Georgetown roads.. :wink:

I did consider the C250CGI,even before it was introduced here.But a Merc is a Merc.Mere mortal small engined Mercs are a tad dull I must agree..BUT the mighty AMGs are magnificent machines,only problem is most can't afford one.
I do live next to the circuit,for real bro!:wink: Only problem is the last time I've driven on track was ages ago..forgot the lines already meh..was there in my ill handling(RIP) supercharged e60 and I was all over the shop la..malu

Need to ask Fabian for a taxi ride and some recurrent instructions la

 

[supergripen]

BMW is working toward dynamic and efficiency goals.. And turbo does increase power efficiency when tuned correctly. Modern turbo tech has come a long way and turbo lag is a thing of the past now... unless u put in a big big snail aimed at high end horsepower chase..

Totally agreed.

I like the direction BMW is moving towards..my next car is going to be an F30:rock:

 

[dzuljazz2001]

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[FONT=Verdana]So Euro 4 diesel in Msia by next year?...provided Najib's still around and no more flip flop.

What does 4M stand for?

Euro 1 - 6 = is the (emission) standard of diesel and yes they are already working on Euro 6 (to be made available by the year 2014).
For passenger cars, the standards are defined in g/km.
For lorries (trucks) they are defined by engine power, g/kWh :biggrin:

As for the letter "M", it's just a letter to classify the type/category of vehicle and before Euro 5 was introduce, passenger vehicles > 2500 kg were considered as light commercial vehicles.

M = Passenger Car
N1 -I = Light Commercial Vehicle (< or equal to 1305kg)
N1 -II= Light Commercial Vehicle (1305 kg - 1760kg)

Different category of vehicle have a different standard of emission permissable within the European Union and to differentiate the standard, the Euro 1 - 6, was devised.

Hope that answer your "curiousity" :biggrin:

:rock::smokin::smokin:

 

[anxious]

I test drove the X1 2.0d and the 320d this weekend.

The X1 2.0d is a fabulous car if u r looking for a 4WD and it'll certainly take away some sales from the 3 series.

Of course the 320d is much more lighter and nimble.It can touch 180kmph b4 u even realise it. Very rapid.

However the vibration from the floor when the car is stationary is just too much for me. I guess you cant have everything.

As for buying a demo car for under RM200k, I'll pass that oppurtunity even if i could after realising how much people are goin to just "hentam" the car when they "test" it.

Looks like it a 325 for me. I also realised that the sports/bucket seat wasnt really for me as I am a stout 9x kg person. So a pre FC non sport 325i would be it for me. Now I have to sit back and wait for the prices to fall a bit more b4 I pick one up.

Thks again for all ur comments. I really appreciate it. I am sre that the readers of this forum have also benefited.

PS I also sat in a 525i whilst waiting for my test drive car and am convinced tha at 39, I am not ready for the 5 series yet.

 

[pswchan]

C250CGI cannot deactivate stability control right? Making it a boring car on spirited drive or tracking .. Not suitable for some1 who is located in "Sepang"..

Bear in mind that anxious was anxious about this other issue with the NA E90, the take off sluggishness. Is it better with the 320d variant? and yes, both may hit 100kph within 7.7~8sec but my money is on the 320d for the first 30~50kph, or from a cruising 30kph to 80kph, and that's what u want in Georgetown roads.. :wink:

Not sure about C250, but E200 and E250 can deactivate. Try driving the C250 first and compare with 320D. I tested the C250 and it's almost as quick as a Golf GTI. Not a bad effort by MB really.:top:

 

[stanleycck]

Just my 2 cents

It is true that town driving in Penang with a 6 in-line, 2497cc beast can be cumbersome..........thats why I do not ronda much in Georgetown during my trips home, especially on Sat and Sun......I only bring her out at night........the 320d may be a better choice in this case though have not tested one yet......but when on an open road.........this 6 potter really moves..........might get an upper hand in this case.

 

[supergripen]

Not sure about C250, but E200 and E250 can deactivate. Try driving the C250 first and compare with 320D. I tested the C250 and it's almost as quick as a Golf GTI. Not a bad effort by MB really.:top:

U can actually deactivate the system but it's not a full deactivation.It'll still come in at the very last minute.

Having said that,I think the new C handles very very well indeed.In Avantgarde trim,sporty handling is pretty good whilst still retaining excellent ride comfort.Not something I can say about the e90 Msport.

The C250CGI is worth having a look at if u're looking the best of both petrol m diesel.

 

[Schwepps]

Looks like it a 325 for me. I also realised that the sports/bucket seat wasnt really for me as I am a stout 9x kg person.

Bro, just in case you're not aware, the M-seats have adjustable side supports. There's a toggle switch at the corner of the driver's and front passenger's seats that allows you to pump up the side supports fully or deflate them fully. When fully pumped up, they crimp the small of the back, but when fully deflated, they're just like any seats without side supports. Also the front of the seats can be extended to give more thigh support, which is really great for long highway drives. To me, the M-Sports seats are the best thing since sliced bread!

The Sports versions are really value for money because you get so many extras for so few extra $$. I thought you're a very value for money guy?

 

[anxious]

Bro, just in case you're not aware, the M-seats have adjustable side supports. There's a toggle switch at the corner of the driver's and front passenger's seats that allows you to pump up the side supports fully or deflate them fully. When fully pumped up, they crimp the small of the back, but when fully deflated, they're just like any seats without side supports. Also the front of the seats can be extended to give more thigh support, which is really great for long highway drives. To me, the M-Sports seats are the best thing since sliced bread!

The Sports versions are really value for money because you get so many extras for so few extra $$. I thought you're a very value for money guy?

Thanks, I didnt know that.

 

[Schwepps]

The list price difference back then was RM20k, and for that, you got:
- iDrive
- Sat Nav
- M-steering wheel
- M-sports seats
- M-aerodynamics kit
- M-sports wheels

All that is worth a lot more than RM20k bro...

 

[astroboy]

Schwepps, u forgot the most important M-Sport feature and that's the stiffer anti roll bar and suspension that give the M-Sport a beautiful drop and sweet handling! :love:

 

[Schwepps]

You're so right, AB. M-Suspension itself would probably cost RM20k if you installed it later. The whole list of goodies added to the 325i Sports is worth many times RM20k.

 

[VKS]

Good choice and taste...if you can stretch abit of your budget like the other guys saying..you would never regret the M-Sport model with lotsa goodies :burnout:

 

[viewfinder]

Agree with above on the M-Sport model if diesel is out of your consideration. Especially that you're not in a hurry. Besides the price delta between M-sport vs non-M for used car maybe less than RM20k.

 

[anxious]

Thanks guys. Based on ur comments, I'll definitely consider the Msport model. Furthermore, my target is to change next year when I hit 40 ( my wife's birthday present to me...but I still got to pay for it), unless I find an irrestible deal sooner.

 

[supersonic]

Hi guys, Just want to add that 325 and the 320d are both msport. The only difference other than the engine is that 325 comes with idrive and navigation while the diesel dont. Am I right?

 

[Schwepps]

What they specify for the 'Sports' model of each model variant may not necessarily be the same. BTW, they're called 'Sports' and not 'M-Sports'. It would be interesting to know what is added for each variant. For the 325i, it's:

- iDrive
- Sat Nav
- M-Steering Wheel
- M-Sports Seats
- M-Suspension
- M-Aerodynamics kit
- M-Sports wheels (193M)