325i E90 vs e46?

[Schwepps]

"Our PULS sensors are compact, reliable and cost-effective, but there's one other advantage - automakers can eliminate the oil dipstick," Fischer said. "In the old days of the auto industry, motorists measured the amount of gasoline in their tanks using a measuring stick. We don't do that anymore."

I like that one. So should we distrust the fuel gauge as well and use a petrol dipstick?

 

[k3nny]

I'm not supporting the E90 and why i said that its maintenance is a bit on the high side.

Well on our recent drive down to Singapore to visit the F1 paddock together with our BMW Club members. My E90 decided to overheat on me while we were travelling around 180kmh. The red light came on with a "ting" sound and Imagine the panic i went through trying to pull over to the side of the highway at 180kmh.

Thank you to all our sifu's out there. They concluded that i have a water pump failure and the best solution was to head down to AB JB. Our president manage to arrange a last minute appointment for me when they were about to close and when i arrived to AB JB. It was like a F1 pit stop. All the engineers and managers came out to greet me and my E90. Immediately they took the car for a check up and after 15 minutes they informed me that the water pump and termostat needs to be changed and they also informed me that my warranty just ended on 27th of July.

So i said to them "Wow just after a month of warranty expiry, electronic parts also give way?". Amazing isn't it how BMW calculates when the parts fail. I was being sarcastic. So they proceeded to rectify and change all faulthy parts and no doubt they did a real good job including the hospitality.

The damages came up to RM3400.00 and XXX has suggested to me to ask BMW for a goodwill compensation. Am still waiting for thier feedback.

Thanks to Mr President and all the BMW club members, we manage to reach home safely and didn't have to take the bus.

So i think E46 is still cheaper to maintain then a E90. Cause E46 doesn't an electric water pump or anything electronic thats worth RM3400.00

Cheers

This water pump failure is quite common apparently with the N52's and the electronically driven water pump.

I had this problem with my 525i and you will find its very ironic.

When you are on the highway cruising at 140km/h - 150km/h, DING DING DING... the yellow ask you to drive moderately. 10 seconds later, BONG.

Red color and your balls drop to the road telling you your car overheated.

Stop for 5 minutes, restart, no problem.

Logically, the car's engine should be colder on the highway with the amount of air flowing into the radiator and engine bay doing those speeds constantly?


When i reached Singapore, stuck in the city in traffic jam, no problem. Perfectly fine. No sound at all.

When i went back to KL, same thing. Had to stop 6 times.

Reach back KL, no problem. Even drives to KLIA to pick up people.

Subsequently it seems because this pump is electronically operated or activated, when its faulty or semi-faulty, when you maintain a certain rev point for a long period of time (highway driving), it will fail to engage accordingly causing your car to momentarily overheat but not excessively?

When you are in start stop traffic, the pump will engage. I actually drove with this problem for almost 5 months. Only irritated me on outstation trips.

It happened at 103,000kms. I call it the curse of the 100,000kms because along with it, some other things went too but i think after that distance, RM3000+ on a BMW after all that pleasure is a fair price to pay.

But thats just me.

 

[k3nny]

wow. hi tech stuff man.

i like the idea of checking the oil with a dip stick tho. makes me look more ahem *manly and muscular and able* infront of my woman.

HAHAHAHAHA

like i know whats going on in there.

 

[astroboy]

I like this one better..

"Hopefully, future motorists will no longer have to contend with going into the engine compartment and hunting for the oil dipstick with a rag in hand. That's a job where you don't want to be wearing a nice outfit."

For the above to be true, the driver should have driven a Merc or Audi rather than a BMW. How often do I wear nice outfit to drive my E90? :stupid:

... So should we distrust the fuel gauge as well and use a petrol dipstick?

I beg to differ, you cannot compare oil level gauge and fuel gauge. Then would u care to explain why we still have a fuel gauge on the meter cluster? We already have a "remaining mileage for fuel count down" and a low fuel "Ding..Ding..Ding" alarm.. so do away with the fuel gauge la!

The most high tech petrol kiosk is using petrol dipstick..

Fuel is straight forward.. got fuel or no fuel. Its uncommon to monitor dirty fuel.

But when it comes to engine oil,
1) How to tell if the engine oil color has been overly darken by carbon deposit to indicate time for oil change?
2) How do we tell one engine oil is better than others without looking at how fast the oil color darken?
3) How do we know if there's a minor leakage in cooling system or gasket resulting in engine oil contamination and turn teh tarik color?

I object to the electric on-demand water pump as well but I admire the now possible feature of engine coolant to continue circulation while the radiator fan continue to blow despite engine is shut off, doors lock and driver long gone, just like a turbo timer.

I want electric power steering though which make perfect sense but my E90 no have.

I guess the BMW philosophy is to push towards "Drivers' car" or rather "Technically Dumb drivers' car"..

OK, now run for cover, where's my kevlar jacket!!!..

 

[jarance]

"Our PULS sensors are compact, reliable and cost-effective, but there's one other advantage - automakers can eliminate the oil dipstick," Fischer said. "In the old days of the auto industry, motorists measured the amount of gasoline in their tanks using a measuring stick. We don't do that anymore."

I like that one. So should we distrust the fuel gauge as well and use a petrol dipstick?

Bro... No lah but petrol station still use dipstick and so is the tanker that deliver the petrol/diesel.

 

[jarance]

I like this one better..

"Hopefully, future motorists will no longer have to contend with going into the engine compartment and hunting for the oil dipstick with a rag in hand. That's a job where you don't want to be wearing a nice outfit."

For the above to be true, the driver should have driven a Merc or Audi rather than a BMW. How often do I wear nice outfit to drive my E90? :stupid:



I beg to differ, you cannot compare oil level gauge and fuel gauge. Then would u care to explain why we still have a fuel gauge on the meter cluster? We already have a "remaining mileage for fuel count down" and a low fuel "Ding..Ding..Ding" alarm.. so do away with the fuel gauge la!

The most high tech petrol kiosk is using petrol dipstick..

Fuel is straight forward.. got fuel or no fuel. Its uncommon to monitor dirty fuel.

But when it comes to engine oil,
1) How to tell if the engine oil color has been overly darken by carbon deposit to indicate time for oil change?
2) How do we tell one engine oil is better than others without looking at how fast the oil color darken?
3) How do we know if there's a minor leakage in cooling system or gasket resulting in engine oil contamination and turn teh tarik color?

I guess the BMW philosophy is to push towards "Drivers' car" or rather "Technically Dumb drivers' car"..

OK, now run for cover, where's my kevlar jacket!!!..

bro, agreed. If you want dipstick, you will have to retrofit. The level sensor has it own microprocessor embedded in the sensor. reading for temperature, level and condition is digitize by PWM (pulse width modulation) signal.

 

[E46Fanatic]

I think times have change. Modern cars are about machine serving man. Cars and technology have to evolve, so its a logical thing. I believe in the future, our cars will be linked to manufacturer's central computer as we drive and linked to an expert system. Real time data of the car is sent to the base. When a failure, breakdown or accident happens, they can be alerted to send you help in the form of safety information, rescue service, fault cause or emergency services on the fly. So as cars modernize, you can bet you bucks that more and more sensors will appear around the car and information is either relayed to the driver or the mothership. Oil will be something a car owner/driver never see, smell or touch. Its generally toxic, anyway.

You can still buy older more low tech cars if you wanna get all greasy and dirty and be macho about it

 

[astroboy]

I could not agree more with what E46F have just said. The same reason why I don't understand why most of you still need to check tyre air pressure every week.. :smokin:

Engine oil dipstick?! just get an E46 and shut yourself out into the 19th century. Come on! this is 20th century! 100 years of engineering deserved to be appreciated.. :wink:

 

[BlackE90]

I could not agree more with what E46F have just said. The same reason why I don't understand why most of you still need to check tyre air pressure every week.. :smokin:

Engine oil dipstick?! just get an E46 and shut yourself out into the 19th century. Come on! this is 20th century!

Correction bro, this is the 21st century ....

 

[astroboy]

Correction bro, this is the 21st century ....

ya meh... no wonder I'm still looking for dipstick.. Lucky t2r didn't see it first.. sked..

 

[Schwepps]

I could not agree more with what E46F have just said. The same reason why I don't understand why most of you still need to check tyre air pressure every week.. :smokin:

If TPMS was supplied with our cars like they do in the US, then we wouldn't have to check air pressures manually lor. No direct sensor supplied and too expensive to retrofit. The RFI supplied does not measure air pressures.

 

[3er]

I think times have change. Modern cars are about machine serving man. Cars and technology have to evolve, so its a logical thing. I believe in the future, our cars will be linked to manufacturer's central computer as we drive and linked to an expert system. Real time data of the car is sent to the base. When a failure, breakdown or accident happens, they can be alerted to send you help in the form of safety information, rescue service, fault cause or emergency services on the fly. So as cars modernize, you can bet you bucks that more and more sensors will appear around the car and information is either relayed to the driver or the mothership. Oil will be something a car owner/driver never see, smell or touch. Its generally toxic, anyway.

You can still buy older more low tech cars if you wanna get all greasy and dirty and be macho about it

Ok ok. I must be getting old in age. I prefer to pay someone to change my tyre these days....

 

[kacman]

Aiyoh.. After reading all these comments, now my butt is itching to go for it. E90 it is. Dang! You guys ah, really racun lah!:love:

 

[astroboy]

Aiyoh.. After reading all these comments, now my butt is itching to go for it. E90 it is. Dang! You guys ah, really racun lah!:love:

Don't say like that, you were just sleeping and have your eyes shut, we are just making noise and woke you up only .. The bimmer is in you all this while.. :wink:

 

[zek]

Emm... I'm also considering e46 but suddently my mind change it.

 

[BMWs]

I know this is the wrong thread to post this.

But i must say that after sitting in my friend's Audi Q5 Quattro. RM299k against RM309k E90 M-sports, this SUV has really impressed me.

7 speed gearbox with 2.0 Turbo and 211bhp, the torque is really amazing. Within 200m from stand still it has engage from 1st gear to 7th gear with only 3k rpm during every change and that feeling felt that it could outrun my E90 325i handsdown. It has the option to switch to dynamic mode and the SUV handles like a car immediately.
It's cockpit in the night really looks like an aeroplanes cockpit with all the tiny red lights around the driver seat.

Cheers

 

[mizhan]

at 300k, consider a few years old 530i.

 

[E46Fanatic]

I know this is the wrong thread to post this.

But i must say that after sitting in my friend's Audi Q5 Quattro. RM299k against RM309k E90 M-sports, this SUV has really impressed me.

7 speed gearbox with 2.0 Turbo and 211bhp, the torque is really amazing. Within 200m from stand still it has engage from 1st gear to 7th gear with only 3k rpm during every change and that feeling felt that it could outrun my E90 325i handsdown. It has the option to switch to dynamic mode and the SUV handles like a car immediately.
It's cockpit in the night really looks like an aeroplanes cockpit with all the tiny red lights around the driver seat.

Cheers

Ya i'll definitely outrun our 325i. It even outruns a 530i auto. 9 months waiting list tho.

 

[fabianyee]

There's a worldwide shortage for the Q5.. I guess Audi didn't expect it to be such a hot seller...

 

[Schwepps]

Audi SUVs are definitely the cool ones these days. :top: But a supercharged 1984cc in-line 4 cyl AWD against the N52B25? Maybe quicker off the line, but I think it will run out of breath fast. The torque is at the low end of the curve to achieve that kind of 0-60 performance. These days, lux SUVs have to be rabbits in order to be in the game. I think it will also out guzzle the 325i. :wink: