Lost control on the raining day!

[okow]

Fully agree with you that we have a lot to be thankful for. PLUS highways are as good as any in developed countries. I'm not sure I agree with benchmarking against less developed countries though.

Okay, get your point there but even when you compare ourselves with Countries of the same size and maturity....for a very soon to be 49 year old country, we've done quite well for ourselves, especially with our roads....one of the finer things left behind by our former Colonial masters.

 

[XXX]

helloo have u all registered for AD...its just 2 weeks away

 

[captadam]

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to share an unfortunate experience incident happened today... As I was driving back to my office today... My UDM suddenly spin out of control and hit the highway's divided! Damn! I was warned by my mechanic few weeks back when I do oil changed. He told me to be careful while driving on the wet surface, there has been few insurance claims related to this incident. While rushing back to office today, I obviously didn't put much attention to he words... Bang! I though It'll be a big hit. Thank God, it was only my front bumper and luckily no other cars involved... Scarely .

So, for those who drives E46, pls be careful while driving on the wet surface. The wide tyres on our car is only good on dry road condition....

Going to AB tomorrow, wonder that how long would it take to get it back now??

It happens to me also today. exactly same like your case...Its my 1st day on my 330i.......Demaged Left side of front bumper and head light...Now looking for parts and place to repair in KL....

 

[keN330]

U Guys must be speeding fast ya or fitted semi slicks tyres....

 

[Jipster]

Dudes.... what can I say.... this happens when you are not concentrating.

When you go in too hot (too fast), rear wheel drive car..... rain no rain, F1 GSD3 kah, CSC2 kah, Toyo T1S kah, tire made in europe kah or japan, DSC, ASC or whatever alphabet soup you have ..... you WILL lose it.

Its just a matter of how you recover from it.

Chances are you will realise MID CORNER you are going to lose it ..... its the split second after that that is important.... how you react. Some cars are more explicit with its feedback on whats happening underneath, you feel you are breaking traction, usually through the steering wheel .... some cars are a bit numb you wont know until its totally too late..... those few seconds will mean the difference between stuffing yourself in the divider or not....

I speak with some authority.... very embarrasing.... went in too hot.... mid corner realised lost traction ..... panicked *blush* went off throttle, maybe even touched the brakes a tad .... felt the tail come around ..... tried to regain control probably several excruciating seconds after that but a little to late..... arms flailing counter steering left and right.... car did 360 i think and ended up facing wrong direction..... but managed to miss everything! just stopped in middle of road.... engine still running too ....

Lesson learnt..... dont day dream, especially if you intend to go fast.

My 2 cents...

 

[fabianyee]

U guys may want to consider going for some advanced drivers' training...
There's the BMW Advanced drivers training where u pay about RM1500 for 1 day training on the various aspects of car control in a E90 325i...

And there's the HPC (High Performance Challenge) where u pay about RM200 for half day session of driving your own car on the Sepang track with an instructor sitting in with u to guide you to learn how to drive correctly while driving fast on the track...

And there's also some other defensive driving courses available out there.

Everyone knows how to drive fast in a straight line, the difference is on knowing how to react when the unexpected happens..

 

[ALBundy]

Based on tanks's description, he definitely had an oversteering situation, and spun out. IN the rain, the wider the tires, the less traction you would have and as a result when the rear has less traction than the front, with the resultant forces of the rear tires exceeding Traction Circle aka Kamm's Circle, the car will lose control.

WgLee is correct, most of the E46 in Malaysia are only equipped with ASC+T. There is a big difference between DSC and ASC.....

 

[ALBundy]

Dudes.... what can I say.... this happens when you are not concentrating.

When you go in too hot (too fast), rear wheel drive car..... rain no rain, F1 GSD3 kah, CSC2 kah, Toyo T1S kah, tire made in europe kah or japan, DSC, ASC or whatever alphabet soup you have ..... you WILL lose it.

Its just a matter of how you recover from it.

Chances are you will realise MID CORNER you are going to lose it ..... its the split second after that that is important.... how you react. Some cars are more explicit with its feedback on whats happening underneath, you feel you are breaking traction, usually through the steering wheel .... some cars are a bit numb you wont know until its totally too late..... those few seconds will mean the difference between stuffing yourself in the divider or not....

I speak with some authority.... very embarrasing.... went in too hot.... mid corner realised lost traction ..... panicked *blush* went off throttle, maybe even touched the brakes a tad .... felt the tail come around ..... tried to regain control probably several excruciating seconds after that but a little to late..... arms flailing counter steering left and right.... car did 360 i think and ended up facing wrong direction..... but managed to miss everything! just stopped in middle of road.... engine still running too ....

Lesson learnt..... dont day dream, especially if you intend to go fast.

My 2 cents...

When you go in too hot, you would actually induce understeer, what happens next is you realised you are losing traction on the front and the car moves to the outer part of the corner.

In your case, you braked and that shifted the weight of the car to the front and as a result you lose traction at the rear tires and you have what we called a secondary oversteer.

Question is this...how do we know we are at the limit of the cornering speed??

 

[okow]

When you go in too hot, you would actually induce understeer, what happens next is you realised you are losing traction on the front and the car moves to the outer part of the corner.

Question is this...how do we know we are at the limit of the cornering speed??

The great Freddie Spencer once said:
"You dont know how low you can take a corner until you slip off"...well, thats for bikes anyway.

 

[ALBundy]

Everyone knows how to drive fast in a straight line, the difference is on knowing how to react when the unexpected happens..

This is the best advice to everyone out there.

 

[ALBundy]

The great Freddie Spencer once said:
"You dont know how low you can take a corner until you slip off"...well, thats for bikes anyway.

I remembered the master of this type of riding...Kevin Schwartz!!

 

[Lee36328]

1. Don't drive beyond the car's limit
2. Don't drive beyond the tire+road limit
3. Don't drive beyond your ability's limit

1. Keep suspension (stiffen), chassis, brakes, gearbox, etc in tip top shape
2. Maintain good tires, watch road condition, wet or dry
3. Go for training

 

[okow]

When you go in too hot, you would actually induce understeer, what happens next is you realised you are losing traction on the front and the car moves to the outer part of the corner.

In your case, you braked and that shifted the weight of the car to the front and as a result you lose traction at the rear tires and you have what we called a secondary oversteer.

Question is this...how do we know we are at the limit of the cornering speed??

I remembered the master of this type of riding...Kevin Schwartz!!

Schwantz was the master of late breaking!

Here another saying which applies to car drivers:

'At the end of every straight there will be a turn"...(unless you are drag racing) So, pedal to metal on the straights if you must but make sure you also learn how to steer into and out of a corner.

 

[fabianyee]

Driver's aids can only do so much, it can't help you to defy the laws of physics.

1. Don't drive beyond the car's limit
2. Don't drive beyond the tire+road limit
3. Don't drive beyond your ability's limit

U won't know what are the limits until you're 'over' the limit.. So it's either finding the limit the expensive and uncontrolled way or the not-so-expensive but controlled way.. Well, the expensive and uncontrolled way is when u are over the limit on public roads with other cars and the curbs and dividers in close proximity. The not-so-expensive but controlled way is going thru courses in a controlled environment, even better if it's in your own car..

Until you've gone thru some advanced driving courses or drive close to the limit on the track, u won't know how ill-skilled you are as a driver, immaterial whether you like to drive fast or slow... Even driving position can make the difference, improper driving positions hindered swift hand movements in an emergency situation..

 

[python_dev]

1. Don't drive beyond the car's limit
2. Don't drive beyond the tire+road limit
3. Don't drive beyond your ability's limit

Good selection of tires is allways your first start also... change any other part, but if you don't have good traction it all doesn't matter.
also note what is good on one type of car is not always good on another.
My E36 seems to like Toyo tires, but they may not be the best on E46, depending on car weight, steering variances, wheel base Etc.
Just my 2 cents

 

[E46Fanatic]

I think it also has to do with being overconfident of the ability of the car. Its true that a heavier car like the BMW is less prone to aquaplaning compared to a lighter one, but also needs a lot more traction to keep the weight moving in a controlled manner.

When its raining heavilly, my driving pattern is extremely defensive, slow, large distances front and rear, following the dry tyre lines on the road, gentle moves on the steering, brakes and throttle etc. Usually on the slower side of the road... and of course there will be cars zooming past, oblivious of the impact of the poor conditions (usually I see folks in bigger cars speeding in the rain).

What will be really sui is that despite you being careful, some joker will loose it and smack into you LOL.

 

[Jules]

wah, my favorite topic.......

Can I just say this to those who spun off in ur cars.......please learn and understand WHY this happens so that it WUN happen again? Accidents are expensive and it wun do anyone any good if you just say......"Dunno why it happened".

LEARN constructively from it!

INVEST in yourself, forget about modding car parts to go faster - mod the driver!

 

[Jules]

Good selection of tires is allways your first start also... change any other part, but if you don't have good traction it all doesn't matter.
also note what is good on one type of car is not always good on another.
My E36 seems to like Toyo tires, but they may not be the best on E46, depending on car weight, steering variances, wheel base Etc.
Just my 2 cents

to add....good tyres but poor tyre pressure or condition means NO ADVANTAGE.

Yes, easy to say but how many does a walk around for tyre visual inspection ( or tyre kicking ritual ) every time before u start the car and go into the kill zone?

This applies to any vehicle, any tyre.

 

[OSFlanker]

......Everyone knows how to drive fast in a straight line, the difference is on knowing how to react when the unexpected happens....

I know exactly what to do when the unexpected happens.....I just say "Holy Sh1t!" very loudly.


If you go into a corner too hot, your reaction may be to lift off the throttle, stomp on the brakes and steer into the corner. In some cars (FWD and RWD), this may cause liftoff oversteer due to the weight transfer loading the front tyres and no load on the rear tyres, causing the rear to be light.

Jules would know this coz he was in the passenger seat of a FWD car that spun on demand at turn 7 of Sepang........

 

[ah lian]

I know exactly what to do when the unexpected happens.....I just say "Holy Sh1t!" very loudly.

i say that tooo!!!!