Lost control on the raining day!
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Drivers attitude like...
1.Understanding the characteristic of the size of tyres,tyres compounds, tyres tthread ware...loads indexes( tyre with 55% of thread doesnt mean that it'll give you grips you wanted.) ...make it short,it's tyres maintenance.
2. Proper maintenance of ur car...get it diagnost even if the car is still running fine.
3. Speed. distance and conscience !! important to remind yourself all the time.
1.Understanding the characteristic of the size of tyres,tyres compounds, tyres tthread ware...loads indexes( tyre with 55% of thread doesnt mean that it'll give you grips you wanted.) ...make it short,it's tyres maintenance.
2. Proper maintenance of ur car...get it diagnost even if the car is still running fine.
3. Speed. distance and conscience !! important to remind yourself all the time.
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www.hpcevents.comwglee said:
go register.. I know a few good driving instructors with credible international experience.
Join us...and please remember. It's not a racing event.
Drive safe..
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wglee: I wouldn't say ASC/DTC controls oversteer, rather reigns it in safely. To maintain the momentum of a slide/drift, you can't have the traction control limiting slip through braking/cutting off power, it would upset the car too much. To control a slide you need full throttle adjustability and an LSD or an electonic LSD like the //M cars' M-Lock will work better in controlling the oversteer. Traction control works well at corner's exit when you're laying down the business....
Also in DTC/ASC mode, the DSC is not fully off and will kick in at a higher limit than default DSC mode. Its best to go all off when you want to play
Also in DTC/ASC mode, the DSC is not fully off and will kick in at a higher limit than default DSC mode. Its best to go all off when you want to play
KL2DC said:wglee: I wouldn't say ASC/DTC controls oversteer, rather reigns it in safely. To maintain the momentum of a slide/drift, you can't have the traction control limiting slip through braking/cutting off power, it would upset the car too much. To control a slide you need full throttle adjustability and an LSD or an electonic LSD like the //M cars' M-Lock will work better in controlling the oversteer. Traction control works well at corner's exit when you're laying down the business....
Also in DTC/ASC mode, the DSC is not fully off and will kick in at a higher limit than default DSC mode. Its best to go all off when you want to play
You are right, KL2DC, "control" would be a wrong choice of word.
I agree that ASC reins in power-on oversteer. Interestingly, BMW is one of the few who allow drivers to fully switch off stability control; Mercs, Audis and I think all Japanese cars equipped with stability control do not allow this.
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Thanks for all the advices... My Tyres are fine, just have 1 changed 2 months ago... roof to the accident was cos by 3 reasons i believe... 1st. It was only merely shower when I exist jaya jusco, started to pour hard when about to reach the toll, slippery on the road. 2nd, speed at around 100km/h. 3rd, our e46's tyres are wide (which work execellent on dry surface).
Btw, I'm driving e46 new facelift, yes, it does come with DSC. No, it won't help when you have 3 reasons listed above. So, know you car and watch out all the time. We don't want to have any unpleasant incident happen, especially hurting innocent 1. Cheers!
Always believe cars are made for our convenient and may give us driving pleasure. But it's definately not made for tragedy to happen.
Thanks for all the advices... My Tyres are fine, just have 1 changed 2 months ago... roof to the accident was cos by 3 reasons i believe... 1st. It was only merely shower when I exist jaya jusco, started to pour hard when about to reach the toll, slippery on the road. 2nd, speed at around 100km/h. 3rd, our e46's tyres are wide (which work execellent on dry surface).
Btw, I'm driving e46 new facelift, yes, it does come with DSC. No, it won't help when you have 3 reasons listed above. So, know you car and watch out all the time. We don't want to have any unpleasant incident happen, especially hurting innocent 1. Cheers!
Always believe cars are made for our convenient and may give us driving pleasure. But it's definately not made for tragedy to happen.
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Sorry to hear about your mishap.
However, a lot of us takes proper defensive and instructed driving for granted whether they're driving a million dollar car or kancil. Power is nothing without control and the one in control should be the driver, not the driver's aids. It's when u enter events like advanced driving or defensive driving course that u'll find out what are the wrong driving habits you've been accustomed to and what can stop you from being a statistic.
I've learned a lot of car control from go-karting and driving on track. I have go-karted in the wet before and it's way cool. Imagine slick kart tyres in the wet. Shiokalingam..
However, a lot of us takes proper defensive and instructed driving for granted whether they're driving a million dollar car or kancil. Power is nothing without control and the one in control should be the driver, not the driver's aids. It's when u enter events like advanced driving or defensive driving course that u'll find out what are the wrong driving habits you've been accustomed to and what can stop you from being a statistic.
I've learned a lot of car control from go-karting and driving on track. I have go-karted in the wet before and it's way cool. Imagine slick kart tyres in the wet. Shiokalingam..
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wglee: Yes, BMW is one of few where you can conveniently and quickly disable the DSC. I believe MB's and Audi's ESP is permanently on. I read with amusement not too long ago how they finally found a way to disable VSC on the new IS and it humurously (to us) involves a wild combination of button pushing and brake pedal stomping to do so, not unlike a secret cheat code on a PS2 game
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tanks said:
Just curious what tyres and size are you running?
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Tanks, sorry to hear ur prang.....
i wonder why ur mech can tell you to be careful if you say tyres all ok....he know something u dun? go ask him.
I think wide tyres dun help but a 2 month old tyre aquaplanning at 100kph is kinda hard to comprehend unless u hit a stream of water or puddle.
Listen to OKOW's advice on wet road ( he is a superbiker ) and also invest in your own driving skills - so go to a course similar to HPC.
As mentioned in one of my earlier replies - sorry, the driver is 90% the weakest link n most common cause of accidents.....and since yours have already happen, analyse what when wrong and never forget driver error...
DSC, ATC, etc etc - why not have this skill on the driver? Its then its transferable to ANY vehicle!
i wonder why ur mech can tell you to be careful if you say tyres all ok....he know something u dun? go ask him.
I think wide tyres dun help but a 2 month old tyre aquaplanning at 100kph is kinda hard to comprehend unless u hit a stream of water or puddle.
Listen to OKOW's advice on wet road ( he is a superbiker ) and also invest in your own driving skills - so go to a course similar to HPC.
As mentioned in one of my earlier replies - sorry, the driver is 90% the weakest link n most common cause of accidents.....and since yours have already happen, analyse what when wrong and never forget driver error...
DSC, ATC, etc etc - why not have this skill on the driver? Its then its transferable to ANY vehicle!
tanks said:
You know, I always felt that my pre-facelift E46 325i was somewhat lacking as it did not come with DSC, not helped by the fact that even relatively humble machinery like the Toyota Corolla Altis 1.8 has stability control (VSC in Toyota-speak). I guess tank's experience shows that DSC is not the be-all and end-all in terms of safe handling.
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Tank,
Sorry to hear abt your mishap.
At 100 kph, you are quite lucky the damage was not more serious and that there were no other cars involved.
Do join the HPC track event to safely learn and explore the handling of your car at its limit. If nothing else, it will train your instincts to recognize the limits as you approach it. Prior to fish-tailing, usually (and that excludes hitting a water puddle or oil patch at 100 kph), the chassis will typically signal to you; a slight wriggle of the tail, increased (or in the case of wet, reduced) feedback from the tires, giving you a fraction of window of time for your instincts to respond and regain control.
I wish your ride a speedy recovery.
Sorry to hear abt your mishap.
At 100 kph, you are quite lucky the damage was not more serious and that there were no other cars involved.
Do join the HPC track event to safely learn and explore the handling of your car at its limit. If nothing else, it will train your instincts to recognize the limits as you approach it. Prior to fish-tailing, usually (and that excludes hitting a water puddle or oil patch at 100 kph), the chassis will typically signal to you; a slight wriggle of the tail, increased (or in the case of wet, reduced) feedback from the tires, giving you a fraction of window of time for your instincts to respond and regain control.
I wish your ride a speedy recovery.
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Sorry to hear about your accident. The most important thing is that you are safe. Those ramps leading into or exiting the highway needs extra caution when the roads are wet esp during the initial stage of the downpour.
During the initial stage, the rain water mixes with road grime, etc and makes the road more slippery than the later stages when enough water actually washes the grime away.
Furthermore DSC may not be able to correct effectively if you are going in too fast, misjudge the corner and apply the brakes under wet conditions.
A point to note that DSC cannot even intervene effectively if the driver travelling in a straight line brakes and does an emergency swerve to avoid a car coming out of a junction when the roads are wet.
Guess we should respect the wet corners more and drive slower.
Take care and now is the time to do that bodykit you always wanted.
During the initial stage, the rain water mixes with road grime, etc and makes the road more slippery than the later stages when enough water actually washes the grime away.
Furthermore DSC may not be able to correct effectively if you are going in too fast, misjudge the corner and apply the brakes under wet conditions.
A point to note that DSC cannot even intervene effectively if the driver travelling in a straight line brakes and does an emergency swerve to avoid a car coming out of a junction when the roads are wet.
Guess we should respect the wet corners more and drive slower.
Take care and now is the time to do that bodykit you always wanted.
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Let me tell you a little story: 9 years ago Suzuki launched a radical sports superbike called the TL1000S. Quarter fairing, Dry weight 187 kg, Water-cooled 996 cc 4-stroke 90° V-twin, 8 valves. 125 hp (92 kW)/ 8,500 rpm.
As it was almost 6 months to launch date, obviously there were none in Malaysia to admire, scrutinize and test.....just stats and beautiful photos of the bike banked at angles that defy gravity riden by expert professional motorcycle journalist to entice the general public into making an order.
I was sold and I ordered the 1st one into the country....as months went by, all major International motorcycle magazines coverd the TL and some gave really bad reviews....some went on to even call it a "Killer" bike and branded it a failure and labeled it "Un-riderble".
As the bike was launced in Europe and the US much earlier, there were already several nasty accidents and some fatalities that were also reported in these magazines.
Oops, story getting too long....okay I'll shorten it....
From reading all thoses negative reports (there were some positive ones too) I was advised to cancel my order and not to purchase. .....Well, I didnt and was the proud owner of the First TL1000S in Malaysia. The occassion was officiated by Wayne Rainey and Norick Abe.
Back to the story....having owned many bikes over the years, this one comes out TOPS for me. To me, it very handled well (contrary to what I read)...yes, being light weighted especially in the front and with 125 horses in a V engine its bound to be twitchy....the front lifts easily and slight ripples on road surfaces can almost cause a "tsunami" like effect on your handle bars. Exit corners too hard and you almost boud to leave either a "darkie" or get a road rash. Tank slapping is also common.....Well, I took all these in stride and understood them as unique charateristic of this bike and rode the bike how it should be ridden..over the years, I did experience some of those "unique charateristics" mentioned but everytime that happened, I was ready to counter react...and that was fun.
I was not only controlling my machine, I was in control.
Thats the moral of this story....learn and push your ride (whatever you ride) to match and NOT exceed your own experience and ability but before that, understand Newton's Laws on Motion and Gravity, under and oversteer, road conditions, car maintenance, tyre condition etc etc etc.......
Thank you.
As it was almost 6 months to launch date, obviously there were none in Malaysia to admire, scrutinize and test.....just stats and beautiful photos of the bike banked at angles that defy gravity riden by expert professional motorcycle journalist to entice the general public into making an order.
I was sold and I ordered the 1st one into the country....as months went by, all major International motorcycle magazines coverd the TL and some gave really bad reviews....some went on to even call it a "Killer" bike and branded it a failure and labeled it "Un-riderble".
As the bike was launced in Europe and the US much earlier, there were already several nasty accidents and some fatalities that were also reported in these magazines.
Oops, story getting too long....okay I'll shorten it....
From reading all thoses negative reports (there were some positive ones too) I was advised to cancel my order and not to purchase. .....Well, I didnt and was the proud owner of the First TL1000S in Malaysia. The occassion was officiated by Wayne Rainey and Norick Abe.
Back to the story....having owned many bikes over the years, this one comes out TOPS for me. To me, it very handled well (contrary to what I read)...yes, being light weighted especially in the front and with 125 horses in a V engine its bound to be twitchy....the front lifts easily and slight ripples on road surfaces can almost cause a "tsunami" like effect on your handle bars. Exit corners too hard and you almost boud to leave either a "darkie" or get a road rash. Tank slapping is also common.....Well, I took all these in stride and understood them as unique charateristic of this bike and rode the bike how it should be ridden..over the years, I did experience some of those "unique charateristics" mentioned but everytime that happened, I was ready to counter react...and that was fun.
I was not only controlling my machine, I was in control.
Thats the moral of this story....learn and push your ride (whatever you ride) to match and NOT exceed your own experience and ability but before that, understand Newton's Laws on Motion and Gravity, under and oversteer, road conditions, car maintenance, tyre condition etc etc etc.......
Thank you.
