A6 Hybrid vs 520d

[safri]

Back to reality...the a6h is a lot cheaper and that's why it is selling very well. Both marques are in the same league otherwise - the huge price differential has clearly won Audi the vote; hence, the answer to the question posted by the person who started this thread in the first place.

 

[tIANcI]

Back to reality...the a6h is a lot cheaper and that's why it is selling very well. Both marques are in the same league otherwise - the huge price differential has clearly won Audi the vote; hence, the answer to the question posted by the person who started this thread in the first place.

If I were looking for a car in that category, A6 is the one. It will win hands down. Makes the BMW look kinda sad. Oh well ... that is the advantage when you got another battery and a motor hooked up to the engine.

 

[initialM]

Audi A6H is a good car and good price. But the delivery sucks. Kill the steam

 

[conan]

Unlikely true. A brand new base car with zero options is already UK43k pounds ~RM202k in UK and 53k Euros ~RM218k in Germany.

Add all the generous list of options which comes with the Malaysian Spec'ed A6 hybrid and sales tax and it's close enough to the selling price of the car here.

The quoted prices in the UK and Germany are already inclusive of the higher taxes (VAT) in EUROPE and the profit margins of the dealers there?

 

[E46Fanatic]

The quoted prices in the UK and Germany are already inclusive of the higher taxes (VAT) in EUROPE and the profit margins of the dealers there?

Parallel grey importers will likely have to fork out whatever taxes and margins from dealers in UK as well, and on top of that, price in AP costs, logistics and local margins etc.

 

[lwloh]

For info, A6H batt cost RM 51k. By the way, wanna buy also no more stock for this year as all sold off. If next year got also useless also the tax exemption only for this year. nov only take delivery.

 

[sharp]

if tax exemption extend for another year ler?

 

[boonster]

that is a good question....

 

[Dipak7]

My 20sen worth (please forgive me if this has been mentioned in the thread before; didnt go through it all).

The A6 is a great effort, and really takes the hybrid game forward. I also run an A6 in the household and am completely sold on the sheer solidity of it all. The general tfsi issues are well-documented and most are easy and cheap fixes. Oil consumption included. I did have a lengthy test drive in the hybrid, and a few things hold me back from buying this if I ever were to.

1. The battery cost. And the fact that the battery is only covered by a 2 year warranty, or so the salesman told me.
2. The 3km range on electric alone may hold true in colder climates. Here, I barely managed 2km. Usually 1.5km. Batteries perform less well in hotter climates, and the aircond has a big effect too.
3. The electric/petrol transition can still be a jerky affair. Try going over a bump whilst braking at a critical speed, and its caught out. Miles ahead of the lexus, but still not perfect la.
4. Real world mileage. I cant comment as yet, perhaps some hybrid owners can shed light. But the tfsi is great on paper. Give it a heavy foot and the consumption goes south very quickly. So the mileage benefit may be very situation-dependent.
5. And this is the clincher for me. From Jan 2014, there will be no more incentives for hybrid. That means hybrid sales will take a nosedive, from the current miniscule numbers. Add to that dwindling support over the next few years (because of the small numbers), and you'll likely be left with something that's hard to sell on.
6. Call me old fashioned (and this is really nitpicking), but no RPM meter la. That economy power meter thing is just weird.

 

[splee]

My 20sen worth (please forgive me if this has been mentioned in the thread before; didnt go through it all).

The A6 is a great effort, and really takes the hybrid game forward. I also run an A6 in the household and am completely sold on the sheer solidity of it all. The general tfsi issues are well-documented and most are easy and cheap fixes. Oil consumption included. I did have a lengthy test drive in the hybrid, and a few things hold me back from buying this if I ever were to.

1. The battery cost. And the fact that the battery is only covered by a 2 year warranty, or so the salesman told me.
2. The 3km range on electric alone may hold true in colder climates. Here, I barely managed 2km. Usually 1.5km. Batteries perform less well in hotter climates, and the aircond has a big effect too.
3. The electric/petrol transition can still be a jerky affair. Try going over a bump whilst braking at a critical speed, and its caught out. Miles ahead of the lexus, but still not perfect la.
4. Real world mileage. I cant comment as yet, perhaps some hybrid owners can shed light. But the tfsi is great on paper. Give it a heavy foot and the consumption goes south very quickly. So the mileage benefit may be very situation-dependent.
5. And this is the clincher for me. From Jan 2014, there will be no more incentives for hybrid. That means hybrid sales will take a nosedive, from the current miniscule numbers. Add to that dwindling support over the next few years (because of the small numbers), and you'll likely be left with something that's hard to sell on.
6. Call me old fashioned (and this is really nitpicking), but no RPM meter la. That economy power meter thing is just weird.

The hybrid tax incentive would most probably be extended by the govt before the end of 2013. The conservation effort to save the environment is a long term affair and cannot be achieved in just two or three years. Hybrid and electric car is here to stay.

I have personally owned and driven a TFSI engine car and I would have to admit that it is a brilliant piece of technology. Coupled with the legendary DSG, it is a match made in heaven. Economical when you need it and power when you feel like it and it just works brilliantly. If you have owned or driven one before, you will know what I meant.

 

[_M_]

Splee.. interesting comments :top:.. if the TSFI + DSG are that brilliant & legendary.. can u share with us what made u "upgrade" to a UDM..? :4:

 

[splee]

Splee.. interesting comments :top:.. if the TSFI + DSG are that brilliant & legendary.. can u share with us what made u "upgrade" to a UDM..? :4:

I used to owned a Stage 2 tuned MK v GTI with all possible performance and handling mods put into it. The performance that you get from this hot hatch is second to nothing for cars from the same category. It's the best value for performance that money could buy for a continental car at that point in time. Honestly, even my current f30 328i cannot match the performance of my stage 2 GTI. The TFSI and DSG is a match made in heaven. The speed of the DSG is so fast that you could put he power down with minimal loss due to transmission. You need an efficient and fast transmission in order to make full use of the power from the engine. On the TFSI engine, again it is brilliant. Power when you need it and save fuel when you don't. Superb.

I upgraded to UDM as it is of a higher class and more comfortable at the same time not too bad in terms of performance. My age is catching up and with kids around, UDM is a better choice at this juncture for me.

 

[_M_]

Splee.. :listen:.. the Stage 1 chip for your F30 being advertised in this forum claim to produce abt 300hp. Imagine if its on Stage 2.. as compared to typical Golf Mk V Stage 2 of abt 265-270hp.. :wink:

 

[kuntakinte]

My 20sen worth (please forgive me if this has been mentioned in the thread before; didnt go through it all).

The A6 is a great effort, and really takes the hybrid game forward. I also run an A6 in the household and am completely sold on the sheer solidity of it all. The general tfsi issues are well-documented and most are easy and cheap fixes. Oil consumption included. I did have a lengthy test drive in the hybrid, and a few things hold me back from buying this if I ever were to.

1. The battery cost. And the fact that the battery is only covered by a 2 year warranty, or so the salesman told me.
2. The 3km range on electric alone may hold true in colder climates. Here, I barely managed 2km. Usually 1.5km. Batteries perform less well in hotter climates, and the aircond has a big effect too.
3. The electric/petrol transition can still be a jerky affair. Try going over a bump whilst braking at a critical speed, and its caught out. Miles ahead of the lexus, but still not perfect la.
4. Real world mileage. I cant comment as yet, perhaps some hybrid owners can shed light. But the tfsi is great on paper. Give it a heavy foot and the consumption goes south very quickly. So the mileage benefit may be very situation-dependent.
5. And this is the clincher for me. From Jan 2014, there will be no more incentives for hybrid. That means hybrid sales will take a nosedive, from the current miniscule numbers. Add to that dwindling support over the next few years (because of the small numbers), and you'll likely be left with something that's hard to sell on.
6. Call me old fashioned (and this is really nitpicking), but no RPM meter la. That economy power meter thing is just weird.

1. Car and battery are covered collectively for 4 years. Cost of battery replacement should not arise as within reasonable use sans abuse, it is expected to last the lifetime of the car as with all other hybrid vehicles

2. Didn't test the range in full EV mode but I don't reckon I'll be using it too often

3. Agree with you that there is a small learning curve when it comes to braking the car smoothly during abrupt stops but not a deal breaker. But disagree with you totally that the transition between petrol and electric is jerky. It's silky smooth, non intrusive and hardly noticeable unless one is looking at the dashboard - attested by every reviewer when compared against other hybrid or even the more commin start-stop technologies

4. Frankly, I don't expect to hold a light foot, not when you have 245hp and 450 nm on tap. Coming from a 320d where I'm used to 420nm torque, I don't see myself letting off on this pleasure. But it's good to know that if I wanted to (to be Mother Nature friendly), I could

5. Don't see an issue there either, used to own an Audi TT Mk1 which is even more rare but being an icon, there were no shortage of takers. Effectively, for this gen of A6, the hybrid is considered the de facto model since the standard A6 with its inferior specs, did not sell in any notable numbers while the 3.0 is a huge premium. Thus, if one were to consider the A6, the hybrid is a natural choice. Barring any untoward service needs, the hybrid has the same service interval and costs as the standard version.

6. Ok, you've got me on this one. It's a little odd, agreed but let me get used to the driving dynamics and I'll adapt otherwise, flooring it to the redline will mean a F1-like KERS boost, which is really not too difficult to understand.

Was informed last week that my car is ready for delivery. Held it back due to the possible Ge13 uncertainties (don't wanna end up having my car painted in rainbow colors by some fanatics), will proceed with the paperwork by end of his week.

Rather sad that I'll be letting go my 320d but as they say, it's another phase of our life when family needs matter more. I think the A6 hybrid offers a very decent performance for its segment class which I'm hoping will in some ways could substitute the sheer driving pleasure that I've had with my 320d

 

[energy]

Can I still order an audi a6 hybrid? Don't mind waiting.
Please pm me the contact number of a good audi sales advisor.

Regards.

 

[primus2211]

I used to owned a Stage 2 tuned MK v GTI with all possible performance and handling mods put into it. The performance that you get from this hot hatch is second to nothing for cars from the same category. It's the best value for performance that money could buy for a continental car at that point in time. Honestly, even my current f30 328i cannot match the performance of my stage 2 GTI. The TFSI and DSG is a match made in heaven. The speed of the DSG is so fast that you could put he power down with minimal loss due to transmission. You need an efficient and fast transmission in order to make full use of the power from the engine. On the TFSI engine, again it is brilliant. Power when you need it and save fuel when you don't. Superb.

I upgraded to UDM as it is of a higher class and more comfortable at the same time not too bad in terms of performance. My age is catching up and with kids around, UDM is a better choice at this juncture for me.

I do agree on the TFSI being a great engine, I beg to differ on the DSG box though. Have had 3 cars that came fitted with DSG (one of them was one of the very first stage 3 MKV Walds that came out) and till today I still shift it manually using the gear lever (call me old fashioned as well but the paddle shifting just don't cut it for me). The DSG power delivery is incoherent for me, I feel that it does not shift into the right gear for me consistently and that mars the driving experience with the TFSI.

 

[kuntakinte]

Can I still order an audi a6 hybrid? Don't mind waiting.
Please pm me the contact number of a good audi sales advisor.

Regards.

Last I heard, euro mobil has requested for a further 500 units from audi. They should know by June if this can be fulfilled. The estimated delivery for this batch will all be in November December 2013.

They are taking names but not deposit. Once confirmed, they will call the interested parties and orders will be accepted on first come first served basis via a 10k deposit.

 

[primus2211]

Last I heard, euro mobil has requested for a further 500 units from audi. They should know by June if this can be fulfilled. The estimated delivery for this batch will all be in November December 2013.

They are taking names but not deposit. Once confirmed, they will call the interested parties and orders will be accepted on first come first served basis via a 10k deposit.

Wow, almost sounds like Porsche limited edition car! You have money but not necessarily we'd sell it to you....

 

[kuntakinte]

Wow, almost sounds like Porsche limited edition car! You have money but not necessarily we'd sell it to you....

Yeah, with BN back in power, cheap cars will continue to be an illusion, the A6 hybrid will sell whatever the numbers, provided they can get Germany to produce more this year to ride the unfair advantage offered by the hybrid incentive.

The SA says they are still expecting the hybrid incentive to remain but will not be 100% duty free (which will only be offered to locally produced versions). A 50% rebate will drive it up to at least 350k region upwards and they are not sure if this is an acceptable price point to the consumers

 

[E46Fanatic]

Splee.. :listen:.. the Stage 1 chip for your F30 being advertised in this forum claim to produce abt 300hp. Imagine if its on Stage 2.. as compared to typical Golf Mk V Stage 2 of abt 265-270hp.. :wink:

Stock 245hp 328i boost pressure is ~18psi vs. ~11psi for the 211hp VAG TFSI engine. Wonder what is the max boost each engine can take without internal mods and what kind of power they will be making.

The most amazing 2.0 ltr turbo engine goes to the Merc CLA AMG45 paired with Merc's twin clutch. 355hp stock from a 2.0 turbo engine! Changes the perception that Mercs are for Ah Peks haha