Why is the 'Tech & Peformance' Section private?

[XXX]

Lionel

thank you for your very frank answer.

 

[Daredevil]

Ladies & gentlemen. Brothers and sisters. Let's put this topic to rest now and move on to more constructive activities.

I believe this thread was started by Daniel and the question posed was to inquire Why is the 'Tech & Peformance' Section private?

It's simply one of the committee and advisors' trial attempt to explore different modes of encouraging and boosting official membership signup. I made an official announcement weeks earlier about this step and a deadline was given. So I believe it's only fair if we do something as indicated. It is by no means to penalise anyone of the 6k plus registered forumers here. Being a marketer myself, I believe in the 'law of heavy traffic' acting as the key magnet to attract organic growth.

If our main intention is to close down most of the threads in the forum with the objective of getting people to pay up (to enjoy special official m'ship privilege), not only the 'tech & Performance' will be closed down. The first threads we'll clamp down would be 'General Discussions' and 'Autobahn'. These 2 threads generate the highest traffic. Point to note here is how much non-BMW related issues most of us happily and automatically contribute to when this is obviously a BMW Club to serve an obvious purpose.

On behalf of my articulative committee, I would like to apologize if they came across as overly passionate or gung ho. They're just doing their job. And they've been doing a mighty fine one. Well, afterall, they're humans too and they live on food and water just like any others. The difference is, they were elected to shoulder more responsibilities. That's all.

Rules are man made and are meant to be broken, or more appropriately, altered when flaws or imperfections has been identified. Decision to permanently make certain forum threads exclusive for official members are still being weighed and considered. But I applaud those who has given their views over this matter. And I urge those who hasn't, to share their constructive views before this thread is closed by 6pm today. I guess by now, the committee has a clearer idea as to what matters most to the majority and we shall deliberate our next action plan based on this. Official membership sign-up is progressing smoothly and we're happy for now.

Let's leave the issue of splinter groups out. Lionel, when you're free, I would love to buy you a cup of tea tarik to explore opportunities together.

My fella committee, pls refrain from any further postings immediately unless it's pertaining to the question posted.

Thank you.

Regards.

 

[Lionel_Koh]

Let's leave the issue of splinter groups out. Lionel, when you're free, I would love to buy you a cup of tea tarik to explore opportunities together.

Regards.

Anytime .....my pleasure ......I think some of committee got my contact no .....

 

[sithwarrior]

Sithwarrior, please refrain from using "Christ" as part of your swearing campaign. I am a Christian and take great offense to your wrongful usage. Please apologise not only to me but to all Christians. Most of us in Malaysia come from various religous backgrounds and beliefs; so, please be sensitive to all concerned. Thank you.

Lee 36328 and Lionel - It is quite obvious you are both heavy sms users. Try not to use "sms english" in forums or emails. Internationally etiquette. Thanks, guys.

INNOVATOR, so am I, so am I.... A devout god fearing catholic that goes for mass every Sunday. You obviously have taken great offence with that phrase for some odd reason, but you're right if it's seen as a religous insult then please except my appologies.

How pleasant it is to know Mr. INNOVATOR,
Who has written such volumes of stuff.
Some think of him as ill-tempered and queer,
But a few find him pleasant enough.

A Pleasant day To You My Good Man
Sith

 

[sithwarrior]

Anyways guys, lets put everything behind and move forward ya.... peace to all

 

[INNOVATOR]

Hey, Sithwarrior, a Catholic? Me, too, bro. I go to CKK since I 'm in Subang Jaya. I may seemed to have come out strong, but I have been brought up in a manner to be mindful of everyone's religion. Anyway, when you are in SJ, give me a call. We can meet up.

Thanks.

 

[sithwarrior]

Hey, Sithwarrior, a Catholic? Me, too, bro. I go to CKK since I 'm in Subang Jaya. I may seemed to have come out strong, but I have been brought up in a manner to be mindful of everyone's religion. Anyway, when you are in SJ, give me a call. We can meet up.

Thanks.

I go to St Ignatius Church in Taman mayang bro... actually I am meeting up some forumers tonite in taman Tun, Join us if you will. Lets have a peace drink... Dont worry it wont be wine... I tend not to take the holy trinity too far... I'll PM you my number ya

 

[ah lian]

My fella committee, pls refrain from any further postings immediately unless it's pertaining to the question posted.

Thank you.

Regards.

its good to read. when you read, you understand. when you understand, you can follow. when you follow, you can achieve great things.... Together.

sorry if you are offended by my frankness. i just dun see where this thread seems to be going and if there are going to be benefits derived if everyone keeps trying to take it towards some other directions. seriously, my apologies.

 

[INNOVATOR]

Sithwarrior, sounds good. I have a meeting tonight. No idea what time it finishes. But I will sms you if I can make it, for place and directions. Thanks.

 

[guru]

hey fellas this thread should not be closed..we should keep it on so that we get more constructive feedback and opinions of forumers.. YOU WANT TO LISTEN, DON'T YOU?

don't be like our government, make noise abit, clamp down aledi..

democracy means letting ppl say whatever they want.. weather you buy into it or not is up to you..

to be honest I think making some forums private is a mistake..but hey we all learn right? i't not too late to change this and bring balance to the force again.

most ppl don't mind paying.. but if I (i speak for myself) had the time for a real-world auto club, I wouldn't be in cyberspace right? some more if I join, I think there will be 5 other ppl other than me contributing .. how much value is the forum to me then?

 

[thsaw99]

we have come full circle with this thread...i think better close it down...after all those who posted in this thread are those same few, like me, no? plus we have come to 9 pages on this topic, what should be heard is heard by now...

 

[guru]

closing means denying some ppl of their opinion..

maybe some ppl not yet logon for weeks dunno what's going on leh?

let ppl say what they want lah..

sometimes commercial/ salesman posting also benefit formers what..although some don't follow etiquette, but think about it.. if sales ppl want to advertise here, means good lah!..you're getting popular! and ppl take 10mins of their time to come and post here... if we welcome everybody (beggars/paupers/kings/preists) if can only grow bigger and gain popularity.

 

[Lee36328]

Aiyah, tai kor Lionel, dun be shy leh.

President say president la. Why you shy? No problem what.

U say people not committed, maybe you are right. So, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? How about this. Volunteer your resource, and that of the e36 group, and join in and help out? Sounds like a plan?
-Pls go to consult ur committee instead of me .......i'm just a normal members here ......everyone can give opinion and suggestion but will committee take it ?

Or, dun want to join, just want to play among the e36 group? Osso can, no problem.
-assume ur talking about www.bimmersclub.com. FYI there are E30,E36,E46,E39 and even E60 there .....

But since you come here every now and then, to offer both your e36 parts for sale, as well as your invaluable opinion (sincerely appreciated btw), in some ways, you want things to be better here right?
-I'm here as normal member and doing thing as normal members will do ...i'm selling my own stuff wit reasonable price ....take it or leave it .....Sure i wish BCM getting better and better ....

So, got any constructive ideas or not? They would be most welcome.
-refer above

Btw, gotta consult you one of these days abt changing to manual gearbox bro.
-No prob......one MILO ice will do ....


Aiyoh ....talk too much liao just bcos of u ...u so bad ah ......

I referred, and referred, and referred again, to the above, but I dun see your idea leh.... so far, what i understand from your feedback, is this.... questioning the committee's commitment and dedication.... and asking me to refer to the committee.

So, my question remains, apart from complaining, what do you suggest?

And since you ask me to refer to the committee, you agree that it is the committee's responsibilty... so, unless you have constructive ideas, let them do the job, ok?

If you have complaints, let's articulate them and discuss them constructively. Milo peng on me anytime.

But get this, nothing is FREE. Someone is paying. The bill will come eventually.

 

[ah lian]

dunno why.... some people want to keep repeating themselves without providing good reasons why... and then hor, when others do not agree, they say people are not listening to them lor. dis one is "spamming" i guess.

i am not a member (yet) but i can understand the objective of the action taken. anyhow, the forum is aimed at serving its members. if others were to benefit, i think that would be great too.... popularity is not one of the criterias, neither is having the greatest number of members, postings or hits the overwhelming consideration. at the end of the day, the members should have its opinion on how access should be given.

i did say "members", and i would repeat that... for i see the ones dat are crying out loud and campaigning vehemently against the restrictions are the ones that refuse to pay no matter how extensively the committee members keep explaining and justifying. aih, saliva oso dry up liao. i think hor, no niid to keep going on and on.... say your piece when you are a member. non-members have no say how the Club should run its business. neither have they rights to demand viewing of constitutions. dun like it?? simple. just join!

ah lian is oni a tea lady. for now, i dun need the technical forum unless my boss says i can upgrade my t-trolley to a roundel. its coming to 6pm liao. time to go home!!!!

 

[infinityKL]

I solute Mr XXX...patient and tireless unswering to the question. I think all the question and grievance been unswered. 8 pages alraedy larrrr...and this is not one time this issue was raised up. getting boring and sick of it. .

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lee36328]

Lee 36328 and Lionel - It is quite obvious you are both heavy sms users. Try not to use "sms english" in forums or emails. Internationally etiquette. Thanks, guys.

My dear chap,

I do apologize for that incorrigible corruption of Her Majesty's parlance, brought about as it were by the ineludible exigency of elucidation and dissemination of the promulgation. When in Rome, as it were.

I do asseverate that such defalcation of the lingua franca shall be attenuated henceforth.

 

[BlackCat]

My 2cts worth

Hi all,

I have been reading much of what has been happening in this forum and also through the grape vines the past months... Much have been said... I am not a paid member yet but do intend to be one in the near future I hope, but this fact does not exclude me from making my thoughts known. My views and others like me, are just as important as everyone else's. Having said that, the following views are mine and mine alone, without prejudice, fear or favor.

• it is my hope that all those concerned in bringing the club to where it is now (and that includes all those foot-soldiers too, me included) to seriously weigh their decisions as the impact of these decisions will make or break the club. And that some impact can only be seen and felt after months if not years ahead.
• the club and the forum should be treated as two separate entities but acknowledging the fact that it is very closely intertwined. One effects the other. I believe that this is so true and can be felt by everyone at this point in time. There need to be a fine balance between the two, but this is easier said than done. Patience everyone, give the elected bearers a chance, they are flesh and blood too - just like me and you... and we crawl before we could walk, right...?
• both the real life club and the virtual forum is where it is now by virtue of all 'members', paid, regular, the committee, advisors and what-have-yous: ALL, everyone and everybody. That is a fact that should not be denied nor argued. Do not alienate NOR feel alienated. Treat all as equal, respect views and above all, do let views be forwarded in what ever way as and when the occasion requires.
• don't give up on the club, the forum nor the people who 'runs' it. if there needs a change, the change must come from within. Rome was not built in a day...

Good luck and God bless to all...


BlackCat

 

[Daredevil]

Well said BlackCat. It seems more constructive comments and viewpoints are being shared as we go along. As such, I would like to retract my earlier decision to close this thread. Let it flow guys.

Would appreciate some feedback from our lady counterparts as well so we can cater certain styles of doing things accordingly.

When everybody provides constructive comments without hurling accusations, automatically this forum becomes a much better and peaceful place. We would like to promote a greater sense of ownership and belonging to this little community.

Cheers guys.

 

[sithwarrior]

Well said black cat and god bless you too.

 

[XXX]

Blackcat

Why didnt you post earlier you would have saved me alot of time..
Short , sweet and to the point, how I wish I could do that, probably not bcos Im a hainanese thats why. Really, you are God's Blessing. Thank You.