Why is the 'Tech & Peformance' Section private?

[Lee36328]

lee, i've met you several times, and honestly, have no issues with you. and same with you sith.

No worries mate. Constructive debates over different opinions are not only healthy, it's how we all improve.

I only speak from my own personal experiences, and have my own conclusions. I consider myself somewhat neutral, as I'm new to the bmw community, and do not know of past history as you(lee) have mentioned.

As lionel said, Cant the club take into consideration that NOT everyone who joins, wants to vote someone else into office cause they dont like the way its run now, or to even run for office themselves? I want to join a club, and be able to give support, and enjoy what the club can give back to me, without having to worry about other issues like politics?.

Yes, you can. One of the choices I highlighted was... do nothing. Whatever path you pursue, you live with the consequences, as we all do, right?

If the club is well run, complaints wil be minimal, and you can join and support and enjoy what the club gives back. If there is a lot of complaint, then... what? How about this concept. When something is given to you FREE, you have NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You can choose to throw it away though. Or turn it into something you prefer.

Actually, Lionel is not a good example of complaining and doing nothing. He is a shining example of exercising the power of choice - he has started an e36 group which meets regularly for TT. And since I am driving e36, he has actually done me some good.

One of my issues is, I think committee members have to set a good example. having a slanging match with someone else on the forum in full view of everyone doesn't exactly make a good impression on a newbie, no matter how frustrating or difficult.. or whatever.

Err... My apologies, can't comment on this, not aware of the full details.

sith: regardless of where people originated from, i think thats not the point. but if you have people who have originated from bmwcm, and now are migrating away, that should be the issue the club should be concentrating on. They should answer the questions of themselves.. why are people leaving? why are newbies complaining..

Good point. Some have exercised their right to up and leave, and start another community, like our emminent bretheren, Mr Lionel Koh. More power to people like him, whose group I also join in from time to time when I can.

So please, do voice out your complaints, LOUD AND CLEAR. I assure you, it will be heard. But, don't just complain, ya? Get involved and be part of the SOLUTION.

Doesnt the club want to win them back? and to win more new members.

The club comprises paying members, who in turn shapes and decides what the club should do. So, again, it is UP TO THE PEOPLE (who join as members.)

honestly lee, it will be impossible for a club to run by just thinking it only wants committed members. There is no such club in the world in my opinion.

Err... RM300 while not a princely sum, is also not an insignificant amount of money. To me, that is a form of commitment. So, by definition, all members are committed people, at least to the tune of RM300.

There will always be the ones who are vocal, who lead, and the ones who sit back, and just want to enjoy the benefits.

Yes, that's why when I take a flight, I literally sit back as you say, and enjoy the flight. I do not come up to the captain and complain about how he is piloting the plane, why the sun is shining on my side of the seat, why the airstewardess not pretty, etc. I choose the airline I want, and my choice ends there. When I am in a club or forum however, if I do not like something I see, I voice it out. If I can do something about it, I do. Or I join/start another club. Or I do nothing and fade away, never coming back. Again, choice.

As it applies to the world at large, what we do about the club is in all our hands. And that includes doing nothing, which some of us prefer.

But for those of us who want to make a difference, your inputs are most welcomed.

 

[joetan]

time and time again same thing. guys for how long will this go on for? pretty sure it can be resolve, hey sorry for bugging in as a newbie but can we get the ball rolling. thanks

 

[ALBundy]

Hey Joe,

Welcome to this forum.

Yes, this has been going on for quite sometime. No worries, its just small matter over whether the club should charge a membership fee (or perhaps lower it).

Cheers.

 

[Lee36328]

time and time again same thing. guys for how long will this go on for? pretty sure it can be resolve, hey sorry for bugging in as a newbie but can we get the ball rolling. thanks

Joetan,

Thanks for your commitment, participation and enrollment. The ball will be rolling very soon.

We must hear from the people on how they feel things should be improved. Feedback is worth its weight in gold.

 

[joetan]

thanks for welcoming me.

definately u n the commitee are doing all u can to resolve this concern swiftly.

regarding bout the fees, stick with it. u've made your stand on it and go with it.

thanx

 

[XXX]

Dear Joetan

wellcome wellcome , sorry that I sometimes wash my underwear in the open
but I not shy one mah what is there to shy shy we all also where underwear also mah....kekekkekekkekeke.

On a serious note, We thank you for your support to this club by subscribing to it.

 

[daan]

I wounder what would happen when this become a paid site like one of those porn site. I do not know of any BMW site been paid site or any other site to be best of my limited knowledge except for the porn site.

 

[thsaw99]

anybody listened to john lennon's 'imagine' lately...?

ok so we have 2 scenarios here....imagine 1...where no fees are imposed...and we get lots and lots of forummers, anybody can guarantee that we will get tons of sponsorship? can this ensures after 1 year we will have say 500 official members?

imagine 2...we imposed fees...maybe less forummers compared to above...but rest assured those who joined are quite serious and committed in supporting the club...
and we certainly took off...now we're above the ground...

i certainly don't wanna wait 1 year to test before we take this club off the ground....i say the commitee did the right thing by going ahead with the fees and i trust in due time the ball will start rolling with events etc..

 

[sithwarrior]

I wounder what would happen when this become a paid site like one of those porn site. I do not know of any BMW site been paid site or any other site to be best of my limited knowledge except for the porn site.

Dear daan,

The fees are not for the forum, the forum is part of the club. What you're paying for is for being a member of a club not a forum. By the way there are free porn sites you know.. or so I have heard hehehehe

Sith

 

[anxious]

I am trying very hard to stay out of this but I really dont think the issue is wheher members of the club should pay fees. That's a no brainer, if u join the club naturally u got to pay fees.

I think the more controversial issue is wheher the site evetnually should only be open to the members of the club.

That's where the crucial debate should be.

Should the premier bmwclub forum in Malaysia be private or a public forum?

I conceed that the prerogative is in the hands of those in power.

My appeal to you is, for the sake of unity, leave the forum open to everyone. This would encourage free exchange of info and ideas amongst all fans.

I really dont see why the forum should be shut down to the public. Why cut yourself out from the public?

The forum should not be used as a pawn in this "membership drive". Surely there are more effective ways of promoting the club.

I know ... u may think that I am like an old record but honestly an open forum would benefit the club more than a "dead" one.

The choice is yours.

 

[guru]

seech, innovator, anxious- you have very good points.10/10..
if we pay just to join the forum then no point...(xpensip)
if we pay also cannot lepak at any functions..(we all also bz or got a million other priorities)
if we pay also we are the only ones doing so, and when the forum locked, we got no reason to check it also because nobody contribute..(not nobody laa, but so few surely)..then do what? no forum go watch porn and ta fei kei aaa?

haiya very sad la.. mat salleh forum sure won't do this wan..

did the committee really sit down and think about this move? even if you keep it free now, the damage has been done..all your reputasi and reputasi of this Club and Forum damaged liao.

I like it here lah, keeps me away from porn !!

 

[XXX]

Dear Guru

IF I know I was goin to end up like this I would have bought a Toyota.
IF I was a richman I would not be here as I would be in 'The Lear Jet Community forum'.
IF I know whats goin to happen tmw then I also would probably be in 'The Lear Jet Community Forum'.

 

[sithwarrior]

CHRIST ON A BIKE !!!!!

I really cant believe that this is all over a small fee to be part of a club. I speak to you now as an average member. Lets look at things laterally.

A club that is yours. The forum is part of the club. The funds are there to help administrate the club. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE.... I BEG OF YOU !!!!

Guru - with due respect, YES the committee has sat down time and time again, cracked our noggins just so we could come up with the best possible way to keep this club alive.

No Pun Intended guys, I just think we put too much effort thinkin about shite that matters the least. can we at least try and and be a little more constructive PLEASE !!!!

 

[Lionel_Koh]

My dear Mr Lionel Koh,

It is supremely ironic to read the above response from you when you yourself have taken the following path as an illustration of the power of choice.

1. you have started an e36 group
2. you have been elected/chosen to lead the e36 group
3. you have been actively cultivating the growth and the best interest of this group.

I am highlighting that everyone has a choice, which you have so clearly demonstrated.

"But for me ......when the 1st day u accepted the committee post ......u shld know ur resposibility and comitment since u will NOT pay for ur post ....."

Please clarify what you mean by "u will NOT pay for ur post..."

"So i hate to hear ppl always say ..."u not happy ..come u run the post" instead of asking urself either u really committed ???"

Lionel, please do us all a favour, and seriously consider this - RUN FOR PRESIDENT, or whatever post you feel you can do much better at compared to the current. OK? Then you can get rid of all those people you hate, or you deem not committed or not doing a good enough job by your standard. I am serious. You should think about it. Or, you can stay where you are and continue to pass non-constructive comments like the above. Again, your choice based on how much difference you want to make, or whether you just want to make some noise. If you just want to make noise, osso can. We still luv u.

Just put my last few words here ........

FYI...i'm not the one form the E36 group...Pls check the history ........

FYI...i'm not hold any post here and not even accept to lead the group and how to say i'm elected/chosen to lead the group?I just said b4 i can assist/cordinate if anythin happend...

FYI...I join the group...enjoy myself ....happy to see the group growth and others enjoy themself....But question is why its not happend b4 i join the group? i think u r the one started the E36 group.....

wat i said here is not only in tis club...its apply to all organisation.....especially Non profit organisation cos u r not pay for ur effort as ur normal job ....but once u accept the post ....u need to commit and ur effort there .......When facing difficulty ...solve the problem and DONT always ask others ppl to hold the post and experince it....U shld show effort to overcome it .....So the point here is HAVE U REALLY COMMITTED URSELF?

I experinced 2 different committee here ...the current and prevoius.....i not qualified to give any comments but at least i can say i see most of the previous committee faces during TT and events ....introduce thenself to newbies as well and chat wit them.....Newbies feel like home at tat time ...but now???

I rest my case here.....

 

[Lee36328]

Just put my last few words here ........

FYI...i'm not the one form the E36 group...Pls check the history ........

FYI...i'm not hold any post here and not even accept to lead the group and how to say i'm elected/chosen to lead the group?I just said b4 i can assist/cordinate if anythin happend...

FYI...I join the group...enjoy myself ....happy to see the group growth and others enjoy themself....But question is why its not happend b4 i join the group? i think u r the one started the E36 group.....

wat i said here is not only in tis club...its apply to all organisation.....especially Non profit organisation cos u r not pay for ur effort as ur normal job ....but once u accept the post ....u need to commit and ur effort there .......When facing difficulty ...solve the problem and DONT always ask others ppl to hold the post and experince it....U shld show effort to overcome it .....So the point here is HAVE U REALLY COMMITTED URSELF?

I experinced 2 different committee here ...the current and prevoius.....i not qualified to give any comments but at least i can say i see most of the previous committee faces during TT and events ....introduce thenself to newbies as well and chat wit them.....Newbies feel like home at tat time ...but now???

I rest my case here.....

Aiyah, tai kor Lionel, dun be shy leh.

President say president la. Why you shy? No problem what.

U say people not committed, maybe you are right. So, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? How about this. Volunteer your resource, and that of the e36 group, and join in and help out? Sounds like a plan?

Or, dun want to join, just want to play among the e36 group? Osso can, no problem.

But since you come here every now and then, to offer both your e36 parts for sale, as well as your invaluable opinion (sincerely appreciated btw), in some ways, you want things to be better here right?

So, got any constructive ideas or not? They would be most welcome.

Btw, gotta consult you one of these days abt changing to manual gearbox bro.

 

[Lionel_Koh]

Aiyah, tai kor Lionel, dun be shy leh.

President say president la. Why you shy? No problem what.

U say people not committed, maybe you are right. So, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? How about this. Volunteer your resource, and that of the e36 group, and join in and help out? Sounds like a plan?
-Pls go to consult ur committee instead of me .......i'm just a normal members here ......everyone can give opinion and suggestion but will committee take it ?

Or, dun want to join, just want to play among the e36 group? Osso can, no problem.
-assume ur talking about www.bimmersclub.com. FYI there are E30,E36,E46,E39 and even E60 there .....

But since you come here every now and then, to offer both your e36 parts for sale, as well as your invaluable opinion (sincerely appreciated btw), in some ways, you want things to be better here right?
-I'm here as normal member and doing thing as normal members will do ...i'm selling my own stuff wit reasonable price ....take it or leave it .....Sure i wish BCM getting better and better ....

So, got any constructive ideas or not? They would be most welcome.
-refer above

Btw, gotta consult you one of these days abt changing to manual gearbox bro.
-No prob......one MILO ice will do ....


Aiyoh ....talk too much liao just bcos of u ...u so bad ah ......

 

[Mont-o]

I solute Mr XXX...patient and tireless unswering to the question. I think all the question and grievance been unswered. 8 pages alraedy larrrr...and this is not one time this issue was raised up. getting boring and sick of it. .

 

[INNOVATOR]

Sithwarrior, please refrain from using "Christ" as part of your swearing campaign. I am a Christian and take great offense to your wrongful usage. Please apologise not only to me but to all Christians. Most of us in Malaysia come from various religous backgrounds and beliefs; so, please be sensitive to all concerned. Thank you.

Lee 36328 and Lionel - It is quite obvious you are both heavy sms users. Try not to use "sms english" in forums or emails. Internationally etiquette. Thanks, guys.

 

[XXX]

Mont-o

Thank you but its no big deal just doing what a person in the right frame of mind will do...how I wish I was paid for every word though..



Lionel

yes I know youre normal member , just use the facilities but now this facility want to charge rental you all want to run away. When infact you should try to be part of the solution to help this facilty that has help you so much to be what it wants to be. The committee only help to run the club, the members tell the committee what to do, but if the law has been set to A you cannot insist the committee to change it to B, if want to change to B again the members are the one who can change it, not the committee. As you know we only now getting members, so how?

 

[Lionel_Koh]

Lionel

yes I know youre normal member , just use the facilities but now this facility want to charge rental you all want to run away. When infact you should try to be part of the solution to help this facilty that has help you so much to be what it wants to be.

Noted .....as long as now its free ...i still will use the facility ........