Why is the 'Tech & Peformance' Section private?

[thsaw99]

anxious bro i know how u feel over this...but u sound like ur giving up on this forum already...

i'm not saying the direction we're heading is 100% accurate but hey...we're still EVOLVING...give the committee some time...i think you will find something acceptable to you in the near future...

i'm happy to pay the fees for what this club offers me right now and i do appreciate the passion shown by the committee to bring this club to another level....perhaps the method they chose may not be the best right now....but hey i wanna give them a chance

 

[anxious]

Believe me its NOT the money. I've spent so much on my car over the last month that the RM300 membership cost is nothing to me.

It has become a matter of principal to me.

I feel its WRONG to use the forum as a tool to coerce people to become members of the club.

The forum should be open to ALL, members and non members of the club alike. If they like what they see then and want to participate in the club they can become members.

The rest may just wish to exchange ideas in cyberspace and should have access to the forum to discuss and share their experiences. It really doesnt cost much and as I said I for one am willing to donate the equivalentamount to the membership fees towards the maintenance of the forum.


PS I just realised that more of my older postings have been moved to the Tech (closed) section.

 

[INNOVATOR]

Sorry, anxious. I am a bit curious. What is the principle? Here is someone or some people, who out of their own initiative, time, effort, interest and money; started this forum for free. Who still administers this forum. And possibly have handed it over to BMWCM, the official club and its committee. So, they have become co-owners or owners of this forum and website.

Now, you are saying they can't do what they intend to do with their own property? You mean to say that if I own a piece of land and have let you poach on it for over twenty years; and now, I want to build a building on it, I can't because you as a poacher say "Its not fair?" Where is the logic?

The only principle here is the owners or caretakers of this forum/website have every right to administer to this forum/website as they deem fit. That is the principle. Don't worry your head and lose sleep over this. Just pay the fees and HAVE A SUPER FANTASTIC WEEKEND!!!

 

[anaksarawak]

Guys...

Lets not let this case continue please.... BCM Committee, please dont ignore there a problem here.. Please try to solve the problems.

Forumers just sharing their concern so just take their suggestion ans discuss it on an open meeting, it can be during your own TT. Lets dont argue with our forumers here.

Just met a few of the committee and Mr. DD himself. They all are dedicated and love the club very much.. so therefore, respect fellow forumers and take there suggestions to committee.

Malu la if we continue bla bla bla in this public forum

Hope this will end soon...


Thanks

 

[guru]

cyberspace was made free.. and will always remain so.

porn sites that used to charge real money..what happened to them?
now free sites are everywhere and make money by selling advertising space.

we know where this is going.

 

[thsaw99]

just wondering, if we can, say..separate the BMWCM in the cyber world from the BMWCM in the REAL WORLD...and also have 2 separate teams running and managing the entities...

lets just say this is happening for the sake of discussion(be constructive)... i suppose then the forum can be re-managed/re-moderated etc by the new team...and it will be free!

anybody wanna come take up the posts to be made vacant by the current committee? cos they're going over to take care of the REAL WORLD BMWCM...

 

[INNOVATOR]

thsaw99, that is like setting up another forum, which I had suggested in one of my earlier posts in this thread. But the whole issue here is not about management. The issue here is FREE.

The club has a right to decide on the matter as they please. Seperating the forum from the brick & mortar is not going to be the issue. Once this is finally settled and lets say the forum is seperated from the brick & mortar, another issue will start to crop up - "How come there is an activity in the club and we are not informed about it? or how come we don't get freebies or invites anymore?"

A lot of others have mentioned that they are members of numerous other forums, too. So, go there la. Why make so much noise here. Unless,this is the happening site.

Please don't get me wrong. I am not trying to take sides either way. I am still a "regular member"(as you can see); not yet an "official member"(still waiting to give my cheque and form in. I have signed up). I still can't access the tech & performance area myself. I am paying as a full-fledged member, not just to go into this area (I doubt I will hardly access this section. hardly did before); but to lend support to this club to see it succeed its mission and vision.

Guys & gals, by all this hoo ha on this thread; it is quite obvious that this is THE CLUB FOR BMW OWNERS AND THOSE ASPIRING TO OWN ONE! Have fun!

 

[guru]

maybe the solution could be a member's only zone(new) and the rest of the world can still enjoy the free forum? the members can enjoy 'perks' reserved only for them while cyber-supporters only exist in the forum.. could work.?

 

[INNOVATOR]

One more thing. guru, this forum and website will always remain free - to official members. Have fun, bro.

 

[jarance]

yo, innovator!! are you sure you are not one of the committee in deguise?? Ha..ha..ha..

Anyway, thanks for your time to clarify certain issue to other forummers.

Hope to see you as a official member soon. Welcome onboard.

A little bird told me that the CM are holding a meeting tomorrow to address this issue with all the points bought up by the forummers taken into considerations.
Let keep our fingers and toes cross for the time being..

 

[jarance]

maybe the solution could be a member's only zone(new) and the rest of the world can still enjoy the free forum? the members can enjoy 'perks' reserved only for them while cyber-supporters only exist in the forum.. could work.?

Yes, that have been proposed. Something like - "Members Lounge". However, this have to be discussed and approved by majority vote of the CM.

 

[XXX]

Wow!...I think Im going to loose my job soon.. ...

 

[Iqlima]

Sorry, anxious. I am a bit curious. What is the principle? Here is someone or some people, who out of their own initiative, time, effort, interest and money; started this forum for free. Who still administers this forum. And possibly have handed it over to BMWCM, the official club and its committee. So, they have become co-owners or owners of this forum and website.

Now, you are saying they can't do what they intend to do with their own property? You mean to say that if I own a piece of land and have let you poach on it for over twenty years; and now, I want to build a building on it, I can't because you as a poacher say "Its not fair?" Where is the logic?

The only principle here is the owners or caretakers of this forum/website have every right to administer to this forum/website as they deem fit. That is the principle. Don't worry your head and lose sleep over this. Just pay the fees and HAVE A SUPER FANTASTIC WEEKEND!!!

Unfortunately forum exist at first place before idea of club. The forum exist long ago just the "skin" or the web look different. I was in old forum since 2002 till now , I remember Kinghamsap .......... I like him.

Yes they probably not contribute the money but they contribute the "technical/fun/ nonesense /politic reference " ..........

They also believe ,they contribute the forum until it become so popular for reference , they also probably think the same why the club exist now ,I believe without this contribution at first place , there "probably" no club ........

Contribution from them from old days ............ would you deny it ?

 

[INNOVATOR]

Thanks, Iglima. Point taken. I believe we all understand each other's views in this long thread. You have to agree, that this club is evolving continuously for the better for all.

It started out as a forum, then it became a website. Now it has created a brick & mortar club, too. These are hiccups, the committee is going through now. Don't you think 5 years of freeness is enough? Who is paying for the maintenance of this site? It was free all this while. Don't you think its about time to chip in, to help this website grow; and so to, the club? Don't you think you will benefit from it, somehow, in the end?

RM0.00057077625 per minute. That is your initial cost for this year. Next year you just pay subscription fees of RM0.00028538812 per minute. Now, isn't that a bargain? Or would you continue to want things free, irregardless the cost or who bears the cost?

Btw, I am not on the committee. As I said before, I most probably won't be utilising most of the facilities offered by the club. But if someone here shares an idea or a tip that saves me a lot of money; I consider my fees well invested. Thanks.

 

[Daniel]

I know how.

Just post up your thread in the section that's still open for public!

 

[Daniel]

It started out as a forum, then it became a website. Now it has created a brick & mortar club, too. These are hiccups, the committee is going through now. Don't you think 5 years of freeness is enough? Who is paying for the maintenance of this site? It was free all this while. Don't you think its about time to chip in, to help this website grow; and so to, the club? Don't you think you will benefit from it, somehow, in the end?

Since it's been made a point on numerus occasions that this if the OFFICIAL BMW forum and is in fact monitored by AB, why don't AB be the sponsor for the fees required. Isn't strange then that the coorperate that the forum is based on is so silent in responding to the faults and problems encountered by their customers and now this.

 

[jarance]

Daniel, it is not AB but BMW Malaysia.

 

[Daniel]

all the better that BMW Malaysia would sponsor their forum!

 

[anaksarawak]

Wonder how many forumers has bought their ride from BMW Malaysia or AB or Sapura Auto?

 

[redbaron]

Bro you cannot buy car frm BMW MALAYSIA you only can purchase frm their dealer.