Why is the 'Tech & Peformance' Section private?

[anaksarawak]

.... guys and gal..

So before someone say .."Here we go again!"

I would like to say.. "SORRY" for cause the heat on the "official club" topic.

 

[XXX]

hehehehhe and I suppose thats me...but no worries this are constructive issues that we are debating here and gives us a chance to answer any of your thoughts, which is good.

 

[XXX]

Randy,

yes go, go and be a part of a forum there are millions out there but what we are trying to start is a CLUB, A BMW Club in Malaysia just like Rotary Club, LEO Club and so on....thats the whole concept here....its not abt whether this website is going to die and what not...

 

[Lee36328]

Kindly keep discussions to this topic.

Links to another website is not entirely appropriate here.

Your understanding is much appreciated.

 

[anxious]

I visit this website almost everyday. I 've been doing so for quite some time. It is almost instinctive when i turn on the PC.

Being in Penang and with my committmentsI dont really see myself participating in the Official club itself.

If eventually I am barred from visiting the forum bcos I'm not an officilal member , I would be very sad but that itself is not going to make me sign up as an Official Member.

I personally think that for this forum to be alive,access to the forums should remain open to all. If not the reality is that the forum itself will eventually suffer a slow and painful death.

The forum should be used as a tool to attract the public to the Official Club and once the a person is interested he can always regiter as an official member.

A lot of foreign clubs are like that. Even BMW club uk forum is free.

The whole idea of the forum should be to share the joy of owning the UDM with as many people as possible.

As for the cost of upkeep of the website I'm sure with the publicity the forum gets there will me more hits and more sponsorship.

If there still is a shortage of funds, a donation drive can be launched and I for one am willing to donate towards such a fund.

Guys the important thing is dont kill the forum. If you restrict access it is eventually going to kill the forum and this inviariably will affect the club itself.

So pls keep the forum open to all.

Thanks

 

[rifhamdi]

some of you may brand me 'kiam sap' or 'cheap skate' but its like this la......

you guys say its not a status thing and yet some of you have penned down opinions that contradicts the statement.... Hey! what status are we talking about here! i mean most of us here already own the brand and driving it! RM300 for a sense of belonging! My! that's a hefty price to pay!

its like this la.... you buy a RM400k car, don't let anybody even your wife to start it yet, to even drive it, but when you go to the shopping mall or restaurants.... you allow the valet to park it for you......

another example...... you buy a RM800k car..... whereby everything about the car is as smart as it gets..... smart this.... smart that.... auto this..... auto that.... even somebody with low intelligence can actually drive the thing.... and yet we employ somebody who can't even afford the tyres on the car to ferry/drive us around in the car that we bought with our hard earned money....

pls go figure.............

 

[XXX]

rifhamdi

I seriously do not understand what you are getting at..as such Im still figuring it out.

What does a RM400k car being parked by a valet or a RM800k car being driven around by somebody who cannot afford tyres for the car? has got anything to do with this?

I mentioned perceptive value rather than status to compare BXXXXxs Club to BMW Club Malaysia was there any mention of status? Why did you think status? bcos its for the matter of fact that when you own a RM300K car to a RM30K car, this is what people will perceive and not what you intend to be.

If RM300 is a hefty price to pay for a sense of belonging to a club then I suppose all those people who paid RMXXXK to join a club are really stupid fools.

But seriously as up to now nobody still seems to see what we are getting at.

We are tryin to start a club and this club is called BMW Club Malaysia and we are inviting everyone to join this club for a fee, and no its not to make me rich but to enrich your experience with this club. So for those who think that this is not the club for you as it is of no benefit , we are not putting a gun up your throat and asking that you must be one but we are kneeling and pleading to you to give this club a chance to become a reality.

This site will still be open to all its just that one will have limited access if he/she is not an Official Member so you see we are not so cruel after all.

 

[1+2=3]

honestly, I'm confused. On one hand, the vision is to create one of the greatest automotive clubs in malaysia. On the other hand, the club says it prefers a smaller number, but have dedicated members.

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of an "official club"? shouldn't they embrace all and find new ways to attract more members? Also, stop me if i'm wrong, wouldn't sponsors be more enticed by a bmw club with 200 members as apposed to a club with 100 members?

I think its a mistake for the club to continue to ignore the other "clubs" out there. Its better to find a way to work together rather than alienate them.

If you talk about bricks and mortar, I think the last "official TT" at MMZ was a strong demonstration of the strength of the other clubs. If i'm not mistaken, there were more than 80 cars from bimmersclub, udmowners, malatbimmers, and a few more that showed up. That is not virtual, they might have small forums, but they have real physical presence.

Are the official club going to ignore them? I have read postings in this forum ridiculing them even.

I think the club is wrong to continue on the premise of "if you dont wanna join the club, go somewhere else". The club should be working hard to attract more people, not chase them away.

To me, the fee is not expensive, but i have been seriously turned off by what I've read in this forum over the last couple of months.

 

[Lee36328]

honestly, I'm confused. On one hand, the vision is to create one of the greatest automotive clubs in malaysia. On the other hand, the club says it prefers a smaller number, but have dedicated members.

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of an "official club"? shouldn't they embrace all and find new ways to attract more members? Also, stop me if i'm wrong, wouldn't sponsors be more enticed by a bmw club with 200 members as apposed to a club with 100 members?

Yes, you are right, assuming the 200 members are as equally dedicated and contribute to the club as the 100. If otherwise, no. The 100 dedicated ones would be contributing while the rest are riding along on other people's efforts.

I think its a mistake for the club to continue to ignore the other "clubs" out there. Its better to find a way to work together rather than alienate them.

On the working together part, been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. On the alienated part, no one is excluded from joining this or any other club. Why do you say the other clubs are being alienated?

If you talk about bricks and mortar, I think the last "official TT" at MMZ was a strong demonstration of the strength of the other clubs. If i'm not mistaken, there were more than 80 cars from bimmersclub, udmowners, malatbimmers, and a few more that showed up. That is not virtual, they might have small forums, but they have real physical presence.

Wow, that is impressive. 80 cars, huh? I am sure if they join, and more importantly VOTE at the next AGM, their views will be heard and represented. Hell, they may even do a better job of running the club. Food for thought, no?

Are the official club going to ignore them? I have read postings in this forum ridiculing them even.

That is regrettable if so. Human emotions being what they are, each side sometimes say not very nice things about the other side in the heat of the moment. Have you checked the other forums and see whether this applies equally both ways? If not, please do.

I think the club is wrong to continue on the premise of "if you dont wanna join the club, go somewhere else". The club should be working hard to attract more people, not chase them away.

You have a good point there. But you know what? The club is whatever the members want it to be. It does not exist if no one joins. It exists and will do your bidding if you join and actively advocate your point of view. What will not happen is a club that caters to the gazillion opinions out there until every single last person is satisfied. It will not happen because it is impossible by definition.

To me, the fee is not expensive, but i have been seriously turned off by what I've read in this forum over the last couple of months.

What is wonderful about this is -
You Have A Choice.

Think the current committee is doing a lousy job? Here are some options.

- Join and vote other people into office.
- Join and RUN FOR A POST in the club
- Join and RUN FOR A POST in another club
- Start another club
- mope and moan

Your choice. You can make a difference. How much of a difference is up to you.

p/s - Thanks for your input; you have already made a contribution.

 

[sithwarrior]

honestly, I'm confused. On one hand, the vision is to create one of the greatest automotive clubs in malaysia. On the other hand, the club says it prefers a smaller number, but have dedicated members.

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of an "official club"? shouldn't they embrace all and find new ways to attract more members? Also, stop me if i'm wrong, wouldn't sponsors be more enticed by a bmw club with 200 members as apposed to a club with 100 members?

I think its a mistake for the club to continue to ignore the other "clubs" out there. Its better to find a way to work together rather than alienate them.

If you talk about bricks and mortar, I think the last "official TT" at MMZ was a strong demonstration of the strength of the other clubs. If i'm not mistaken, there were more than 80 cars from bimmersclub, udmowners, malatbimmers, and a few more that showed up. That is not virtual, they might have small forums, but they have real physical presence.

Are the official club going to ignore them? I have read postings in this forum ridiculing them even.

I think the club is wrong to continue on the premise of "if you dont wanna join the club, go somewhere else". The club should be working hard to attract more people, not chase them away.

To me, the fee is not expensive, but i have been seriously turned off by what I've read in this forum over the last couple of months.

Dont let a little thing like this drive you or any one of your mates down. It may seem that BMWCM is trying to disolve the existence of these other factions, but in truth we are trying to create more synergy. Just a quick note as well... If I would have joined the convoy of E36's to the TT, would this mean I am from " The Other Club ? ".... At the end of the day its not about how many cars came from which club, the truth is most of the members originated from BMWCM anyways... I will stop here for now. I trust you will be matured enough to look at this laterally my good man.

My Best to you and your mates
Sith

 

[Lionel_Koh]

Hahahhahhahah.........

Here we start again ..........

"If u not happy with the club and committee ...just join the club and run the committee Post"

But for me ......when the 1st day u accepted the committee post ......u shld know ur resposibility and comitment since u will NOT pay for ur post .....

So i hate to hear ppl always say ..."u not happy ..come u run the post" instead of asking urself either u really committed ???

Peace.......

 

[sithwarrior]

Hahahhahhahah.........

Here we start again ..........

"If u not happy with the club and committee ...just join the club and run the committee Post"

But for me ......when the 1st day u accepted the committee post ......u shld know ur resposibility and comitment since u will NOT pay for ur post .....

So i hate to hear ppl always say ..."u not happy ..come u run the post" instead of asking urself either u really committed ???

Peace.......

Point taken, but I think many here are reacting... No one will stand and take pelting for the fun of it, much like you. In actual fact I know how irritating it can be to constantly listen to what you may deem as a broken record, but how else does one send the message through?

As Jubah Hitam would always say stop throwing pearls at swines.

 

[1+2=3]

lee, i've met you several times, and honestly, have no issues with you. and same with you sith.

I only speak from my own personal experiences, and have my own conclusions. I consider myself somewhat neutral, as I'm new to the bmw community, and do not know of past history as you(lee) have mentioned.

As lionel said, Cant the club take into consideration that NOT everyone who joins, wants to vote someone else into office cause they dont like the way its run now, or to even run for office themselves? I want to join a club, and be able to give support, and enjoy what the club can give back to me, without having to worry about other issues like politics?.

One of my issues is, I think committee members have to set a good example. having a slanging match with someone else on the forum in full view of everyone doesn't exactly make a good impression on a newbie, no matter how frustrating or difficult.. or whatever.

sith: regardless of where people originated from, i think thats not the point. but if you have people who have originated from bmwcm, and now are migrating away, that should be the issue the club should be concentrating on. They should answer the questions of themselves.. why are people leaving? why are newbies complaining..

Doesnt the club want to win them back? and to win more new members.

honestly lee, it will be impossible for a club to run by just thinking it only wants committed members. There is no such club in the world in my opinion. There will always be the ones who are vocal, who lead, and the ones who sit back, and just want to enjoy the benefits.

 

[INNOVATOR]

I think maybe, there is quite a lot of repitition on this thread - those who seem vanguards of the club, committee and what it is doing to the forums; and those who think the forums should not be affected by non-paying members.

Someone did mention that the club should post its rules and vision. If one of these rules states that paying club members can only access these forums on BMWCM; then state if officially.

Everyone else not happy with these official rules, just hang loose, drop out, go to another club or start another website - stating that forums are free - no fees incurred.

If there is substance in this new website to be, meaning the news and postings will have attraction; then, it will succeed. By having a hit counter, you will attract advertisers who will cover the cost of running the website, and at the same time possibly make money out of it.

You can then start a brick & mortar club as an addition, or to add value to this website. BMW or any other see that there is a large following in this website; will sponsor and officiate this website as an additional website to what there is now., So, guys and girls; if you have the drive, this can happen.

Please don't get me wrong. I am not trying to pull any member away from this club, or get current paying club members worried; neither am I ridiculing those who object to the current stand taken by the committee. Both sides have valid points, both sides need to be equally heard. I am just stating the logical outcome to ending this "fued".

The current club may see its total members dwindle to 200 - 500. Nothing wrong with that. As I said before, if this club has a vision for its future; then, even with its small number of members; it will succeed and do well.

And if the new website/club starts up, again, with a vision of what the whole organisation is to be; then, it too, will succeed and do well.

HAVE FUN!

 

[sithwarrior]

lee, i've met you several times, and honestly, have no issues with you. and same with you sith.

I only speak from my own personal experiences, and have my own conclusions. I consider myself somewhat neutral, as I'm new to the bmw community, and do not know of past history as you(lee) have mentioned.

As lionel said, Cant the club take into consideration that NOT everyone who joins, wants to vote someone else into office cause they dont like the way its run now, or to even run for office themselves? I want to join a club, and be able to give support, and enjoy what the club can give back to me, without having to worry about other issues like politics?.

One of my issues is, I think committee members have to set a good example. having a slanging match with someone else on the forum in full view of everyone doesn't exactly make a good impression on a newbie, no matter how frustrating or difficult.. or whatever.

sith: regardless of where people originated from, i think thats not the point. but if you have people who have originated from bmwcm, and now are migrating away, that should be the issue the club should be concentrating on. They should answer the questions of themselves.. why are people leaving? why are newbies complaining..

Doesnt the club want to win them back? and to win more new members.

honestly lee, it will be impossible for a club to run by just thinking it only wants committed members. There is no such club in the world in my opinion. There will always be the ones who are vocal, who lead, and the ones who sit back, and just want to enjoy the benefits.

3,

Like wise I have no issues with you and I have always seen you as a stand up kind of guy.

Please try and understand I made that statement simply because of the statement you made about the number of cars showing up from which club… IMHO I don’t think we should be statistical here, it will only create more animosity which I honestly like to believe is the very thing that you yourself is avoiding. Yes you are right we should try and win them back and that’s exactly what we’re trying to do. Lets put everything aside lah bro, will you help us make this a better place. I am not challenging you I am inviting you to join forces to make this club pleasurable for everyone…. The balls in your court.

Peace
Sith

 

[1+2=3]

3,

Like wise I have no issues with you and I have always seen you as a stand up kind of guy.

Please try and understand I made that statement simply because of the statement you made about the number of cars showing up from which club… IMHO I don’t think we should be statistical here, it will only create more animosity which I honestly like to believe is the very thing that you yourself is avoiding. Yes you are right we should try and win them back and that’s exactly what we’re trying to do. Lets put everything aside lah bro, will you help us make this a better place. I am not challenging you I am inviting you to join forces to make this club pleasurable for everyone…. The balls in your court.

Peace
Sith

thanks for your reply man. greatly appreciate it. i will definitely think about what you said.

 

[sanjay nv]

Woow mates,

Firstly, I salute you, what a FINE BUNCH of gentlemen you all make. Now this is what democratic voice at it’s best. Very gentlemen like. All standing tall with pretty excellent views [not like the last one,ooooch sorry].- OUTSTANDING, mates.


Now my dear mates, you know what ,I’ve seen great comradeship at TT’s big or small, time and time again, regardless of whatever that has been said here – nothing has ever effected us when we are face2face with our mates, ain’t that great!. With this in mind, if I may suggest, why don’t all you great mind do a small get2gether[not in MMZ,please],I don’t know, perhaps why, you know,somewhere nice.Here all shall Wine n’ Dinner, why even smoke some cigars, laugh it all this out. And I’m freaking sure all you fine lads, will fun things up about the club.


Just a side track, remember our bachelor party[the ones who had it], close mates drank, eat,???? and FOUGHT, some cried but”[BUT]”, till this very day we remembered and always remain united & stronger forever – GREAT MATES.

 

[sithwarrior]

Woow mates,

Firstly, I salute you, what a FINE BUNCH of gentlemen you all make. Now this is what democratic voice at it’s best. Very gentlemen like. All standing tall with pretty excellent views [not like the last one,ooooch sorry].- OUTSTANDING, mates.


Now my dear mates, you know what ,I’ve seen great comradeship at TT’s big or small, time and time again, regardless of whatever that has been said here – nothing has ever effected us when we are face2face with our mates, ain’t that great!. With this in mind, if I may suggest, why don’t all you great mind do a small get2gether[not in MMZ,please],I don’t know, perhaps why, you know,somewhere nice.Here all shall Wine n’ Dinner, why even smoke some cigars, laugh it all this out. And I’m freaking sure all you fine lads, will fun things up about the club.


Just a side track, remember our bachelor party[the ones who had it], close mates drank, eat,???? and FOUGHT, some cried but”[BUT]”, till this very day we remembered and always remain united & stronger forever – GREAT MATES.

If there is alcohol and femme fatales, be rest assured I am there.

 

[Lee36328]

Hahahhahhahah.........

Here we start again ..........

"If u not happy with the club and committee ...just join the club and run the committee Post"

But for me ......when the 1st day u accepted the committee post ......u shld know ur resposibility and comitment since u will NOT pay for ur post .....

So i hate to hear ppl always say ..."u not happy ..come u run the post" instead of asking urself either u really committed ???

Peace.......

My dear Mr Lionel Koh,

It is supremely ironic to read the above response from you when you yourself have taken the following path as an illustration of the power of choice.

1. you have started an e36 group
2. you have been elected/chosen to lead the e36 group
3. you have been actively cultivating the growth and the best interest of this group.

I am highlighting that everyone has a choice, which you have so clearly demonstrated.

"But for me ......when the 1st day u accepted the committee post ......u shld know ur resposibility and comitment since u will NOT pay for ur post ....."

Please clarify what you mean by "u will NOT pay for ur post..."

"So i hate to hear ppl always say ..."u not happy ..come u run the post" instead of asking urself either u really committed ???"

Lionel, please do us all a favour, and seriously consider this - RUN FOR PRESIDENT, or whatever post you feel you can do much better at compared to the current. OK? Then you can get rid of all those people you hate, or you deem not committed or not doing a good enough job by your standard. I am serious. You should think about it. Or, you can stay where you are and continue to pass non-constructive comments like the above. Again, your choice based on how much difference you want to make, or whether you just want to make some noise. If you just want to make noise, osso can. We still luv u.

 

[XXX]

honestly, I'm confused. On one hand, the vision is to create one of the greatest automotive clubs in malaysia. On the other hand, the club says it prefers a smaller number, but have dedicated members.
I also confuselah last time say very expensive now say not expensive.
If all that didnt happen we would still be living happily ever after.
As for the the 'smaller number dedicated members thingy' I would say its not the clubs stand but personal views of an overly frustrated person who tried to get things accross to some very hard headed people THEN, what this person is trying to say "if youre not dedicated to this whole club thingy and still want to create a ruckus we dont need you, the less of people like you the better." but
to make it sound politically correct the person used 'the club prefers a smaller number, but have dedicated members'. I admit I was one of the culprits.


Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of an "official club"? shouldn't they embrace all and find new ways to attract more members? Also, stop me if i'm wrong, wouldn't sponsors be more enticed by a bmw club with 200 members as apposed to a club with 100 members?
Ya thats why we are working towards the motto, 'slowly but surely'..20 now 200 later.

I think its a mistake for the club to continue to ignore the other "clubs" out there. Its better to find a way to work together rather than alienate them.
I think its the other way around we did not alienate them they alienated themselves. We tried talking sense into them but they preferred to be the kings of their own realm so that nobody has to tell them to pay RM300.

If you talk about bricks and mortar, I think the last "official TT" at MMZ was a strong demonstration of the strength of the other clubs. If i'm not mistaken, there were more than 80 cars from bimmersclub, udmowners, malatbimmers, and a few more that showed up. That is not virtual, they might have small forums, but they have real physical presence.
Ah Kow was a very rich man but one day he was robbed by Ah Beng of all his riches, now Ah Beng go show off to the whole world he is very rich and he is so proud of it, while poor Ah Kow has only pennies left to show.

Are the official club going to ignore them? I have read postings in this forum ridiculing them even.
So now we are the devil while the word on the streets is we are being ridiculed by all the other clubs for goin ahead with what we plan to do.

I think the club is wrong to continue on the premise of "if you dont wanna join the club, go somewhere else". The club should be working hard to attract more people, not chase them away.
Helloo we tell them nicely then they come around posting website links to other clubs and say this is free that is free, so pls tell me what
is the politically correct way to say "if you dont wanna join the club, go somewhere else" to people of this nature. Again this is not the clubs view but the views of an overly frustrated person.

To me, the fee is not expensive, but i have been seriously turned off by what I've read in this forum over the last couple of months.
Yah, not expensive but seriously this was the major cause that started world war 3.

Anyway this are just views of an overly frustrated person so just take everything with a pinch of salt. Cheers.