How are your 320d doing so far?

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Petrol and diesel both have its advs and disadvs. However, the stigma of diesel are lousy, dirty, and all has to change. So far, things are looking more positve by days with sales picking up for diesel cars. Some could be envious as then there were no 320d/520d. Envy is the biggest compliment. Let's say Thank You to those jealous oppss, i meant the non believers.
 
haywire;640889 said:
Hey lets have a constructive discussion here in the forum, and be less hostile to others. Everyone have their own belief and foothold, no matter what you say and he say nobody will really give in that easily. Some like diesel and some like petrol, just leave it at that. If it was me I'd have both petrol and diesel cars, each have their own advantages.

The feeling i get here in this thread is the overly sensitive diesel bigots who cant take anything remotely negative about their entry level 320Ds. Most miss my point about the 'detuned' (this is a scary word for them) local versions of the diesel. I am not against diesel per se, but the fact these engines are designed to burn very clean, but instead are detuned to run on Euro2, resulting in more sulphur being spewed into the air that we breathe. Thats my ONLY point. So far NO ONE is arguing on this point. I am all for diesel, IF it burns clean.
Immature responses and name calling from BMW club members here are really shameful and reflect on this forum community.
 
I think you might be using the wrong choice of words. I see what you are trying to say now. The engines are not detuned, but it's just that Euro 2M fuel automatically releases higher emissions compared to the same engine running on Euro 4 fuel because of the higher sulphur content in the fuel. Perhaps the right way to put it would be "underperforming in terms of emissions output", not "detuned", as the engines have not been "detuned".
 
paultantk;641362 said:
I think you might be using the wrong choice of words. I see what you are trying to say now. The engines are not detuned, but it's just that Euro 2M fuel automatically releases higher emissions compared to the same engine running on Euro 4 fuel because of the higher sulphur content in the fuel. Perhaps the right way to put it would be "underperforming in terms of emissions output", not "detuned", as the engines have not been "detuned".


You are right its the same engine Paul, but technically it isnt because the DPF has been removed from the local versions. I do not know what other modifications have been done on the fuel system and engine. Perhaps BMW Malaysia has the answers.
 
bimmerdude;641361 said:
The feeling i get here in this thread is the overly sensitive diesel bigots who cant take anything remotely negative about their entry level 320Ds. Most miss my point about the 'detuned' (this is a scary word for them) local versions of the diesel. I am not against diesel per se, but the fact these engines are designed to burn very clean, but instead are detuned to run on Euro2, resulting in more sulphur being spewed into the air that we breathe. Thats my ONLY point. So far NO ONE is arguing on this point. I am all for diesel, IF it burns clean.
Immature responses and name calling from BMW club members here are really shameful and reflect on this forum community.

Forgive my utter directness but for me, your earlier comments sounded like it was filled with a hypocritic agenda bent on finding fault with a minor omission in an otherwise near fault-less (ok, it not's perfect either) car in terms of practicality and peformance. And you achieve this propaganda by proclaiming yourself to be the moral champion for the environment whilst probably well aware that petrol engines emit more hydrocarbons into the atmosphere than it's diesel counterpart. And that was my ONLY contention with your comments and similarly, you have also failed to address this argument convincingly too.

FYI (no, it does not stand for F*** You, Idiot - :)), if you read the UK e90 forum, where the oil burner fraternity is thriving, the DPF gets clogged up pretty frequent, even with Euro4. The engine does try self cleaning at the expense of performance and over time (esp when the car is seldom hard-driven), it clogs and becomes a very expensive component to replace. So, there, even Euro4 diesel does that to the DPF. Imagine what it could hv done for our cars with Euro 2M - it would have been clogged up by the first km (ok, this is an exaggeration).

For me, I am glad BMW Malaysia left it out and this has not only saved us the head-ache and our wallets, but they have also very smartly LOCALISED (and NOT detuned) the turbo diesels to work-around our industry shortcomings. So, if you have a gripe to pick, it's not the 320d or BMW - just vote wisely in the next general election.

And no, localisation is not a crime. For example, KFC's hot and spicy chicken variety is only available for malaysian tastebuds and not elsewhere. Can we then argue that it's polluting the boiler and oil, resulting in more grease by product, hence polluting our drains?

lastly, no malice intent and I apologize if I have offended.
 
bimmerdude;641390 said:
You are right its the same engine Paul, but technically it isnt because the DPF has been removed from the local versions. I do not know what other modifications have been done on the fuel system and engine. Perhaps BMW Malaysia has the answers.

Okay...

So if you don't know what modifications are done... if any are done at all, why do you go around saying for a fact that the engine is detuned?

If I go and ask BMW Malaysia (which in this case I have) on whether the ECU have been modified, and they tell me nothing has been modified, so I come here and tell you nothing has been modified, will you believe me, or will you say BMW Malaysia lied to me and continue on your environmental crusade?
 
kuntakinte;641452 said:
Forgive my utter directness but for me, your earlier comments sounded like it was filled with a hypocritic agenda bent on finding fault with a minor omission in an otherwise near fault-less (ok, it not's perfect either) car in terms of practicality and peformance. And you achieve this propaganda by proclaiming yourself to be the moral champion for the environment whilst probably well aware that petrol engines emit more hydrocarbons into the atmosphere than it's diesel counterpart. And that was my ONLY contention with your comments and similarly, you have also failed to address this argument convincingly too.

FYI (no, it does not stand for F*** You, Idiot - :)), if you read the UK e90 forum, where the oil burner fraternity is thriving, the DPF gets clogged up pretty frequent, even with Euro4. The engine does try self cleaning at the expense of performance and over time (esp when the car is seldom hard-driven), it clogs and becomes a very expensive component to replace. So, there, even Euro4 diesel does that to the DPF. Imagine what it could hv done for our cars with Euro 2M - it would have been clogged up by the first km (ok, this is an exaggeration).

For me, I am glad BMW Malaysia left it out and this has not only saved us the head-ache and our wallets, but they have also very smartly LOCALISED (and NOT detuned) the turbo diesels to work-around our industry shortcomings. So, if you have a gripe to pick, it's not the 320d or BMW - just vote wisely in the next general election.

And no, localisation is not a crime. For example, KFC's hot and spicy chicken variety is only available for malaysian tastebuds and not elsewhere. Can we then argue that it's polluting the boiler and oil, resulting in more grease by product, hence polluting our drains?

lastly, no malice intent and I apologize if I have offended.

taking out a critical environmental component like the DPF is not a minor omission and yes, too much KFC clogs not only your brains but your arteries too. :) If BMW did this in the EU or US, they'd be kicked out and slapped with a million dollar fine.
 
just some interesting facts for those who are wondering what DPF is

http://alternativefuels.about.com/od/glossary/g/dpf.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_filter

diesel particulate filter filters out particulate matter from the exhaust. particulates = soot, the black dust that makes diesel smoke sometimes look like black smoke.

what filters CO2 and NOx (i believe this is what you are referring to as "sulphur emissions") out of the exhaust gas is the catalytic converter, and all the diesel bmw cars in malaysia still has the catalytic converter.
 
paultantk;641459 said:
Okay...

So if you don't know what modifications are done... if any are done at all, why do you go around saying for a fact that the engine is detuned?

If I go and ask BMW Malaysia (which in this case I have) on whether the ECU have been modified, and they tell me nothing has been modified, so I come here and tell you nothing has been modified, will you believe me, or will you say BMW Malaysia lied to me and continue on your environmental crusade?

as u have said that its a matter of choice of words, let me clarify it for you.
i said 'detuned' in this case based on its less optimal environmental performance.
FACT: DPF filter removed to allow engine to run on EURO2 diesel. Can u agree on this?
This is BIG issue for me.
The proponents of Diesel harp on the clean burning technology that will save the world, but here we have an engine with the very component that is supposed to enable the engine to burn cleanly, and have the diesel particulates REMOVED. Go Figure.
 
cool :)

i have also clarified what DPF means in the posting right before yours, and what duties the DPF does (which our local bmw diesels do not have) and what duties the catalytic converter does (which our local bmw diesels DO have).

now anyone that stumbles upon this thread will be able to read the facts and decide for themselves.

i hope the government will introduce euro4 diesel here soon! :)
 
Now the question is if Euro4M comes along tomorrow and it becomes a law to have DPF, will BMW M'sia offer free installation of DPF:cool: I bet it will :)
 
paultantk;641482 said:
cool :)

i have also clarified what DPF means in the posting right before yours, and what duties the DPF does (which our local bmw diesels do not have) and what duties the catalytic converter does (which our local bmw diesels DO have).

now anyone that stumbles upon this thread will be able to read the facts and decide for themselves.

i hope the government will introduce euro4 diesel here soon! :)


Seriously if it wan;t for BSRI I would just cut and dump the Catalytic converter as it'll boost torque and bhp. The Cat is a nuisance especially in much older cars when they become clogged up. I am always bemuse the people actually pay lots of money to change the cat. In fact if anyone is so environmentally concern they actually have to check the Co2 emission every year from the forth year onwards to control the emission and to keep the cat in check but here in Malaysia haven;t heard of such practice.

Its standard practice in the UK if you wanna get your MOT
 
been following this thread for quite some time... all of a sudden i feel like i know much more about my 320d now :)
btw, so happen to speak to roland of quill today and he was telling me about this new performance kit for the 320d...that will boost the hp to above 200 and torque to above 400. Think they're testing it out in sepang soon. Anybody heard anything like that so far or is this obsolete news? :biggrin:
 
Yup... The kit comes with bigger intercooler, etc. Sadly only for 6speed auto cars... 520d takde!
 
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