First gear is too heavy

[adriangzh]

tenno, ur 3rd gear clutch might be worn out already lo.. Advice you better do the GB overhaul before all ur gear hangus.. Then sure susah later.. Later drum all also rosak.

chetz, may i know what you changed that make your car ok.

 

[jarance]

tenno, ur 3rd gear clutch might be worn out already lo.. Advice you better do the GB overhaul before all ur gear hangus.. Then sure susah later.. Later drum all also rosak.

chetz, may i know what you changed that make your car ok.

bro, please give proper advise as a GB repairer.:wink:

BTW, it is not ethical to check up on your competitor pricing. :stupid:

This forum have no problem if you willing to give free and unbiased advise pertaining to our problem but try not to solicits for business.

 

[tenno]

tenno, ur 3rd gear clutch might be worn out already lo.. Advice you better do the GB overhaul before all ur gear hangus.. Then sure susah later.. Later drum all also rosak.

Long time ago i had problem with 3rd gear. I heard sound of 'dumm' before 3rd gear is engaged. Later i had changed ATF then the sound disappear about 2 month. Then the sound come again. Less than a month later i had experienced as what i told in front page b4.

Now as what you said, my 3rd gear clutch plate burnt out. The plate housing (look alike a big cup) torn already + round flatsurface that holding the small2 ring (i dont what to call that) also worn out heavily.

According to the history and result, i do not know what cause what? Main cause and the consequences towards the final result.

I do realy dont have any idea weather to change GB or overhaul. So far my mech qoute around 5k for overhoul while new GB alone around 3K+++. Guys, what are your opinion?

BTW does GM GB E36 2.8L can be fitted to mine? My GB is GM also.

 

[tenno]

Here the picture attached from my GB. The part worn out is outside the yellow ring as in the picture.

 

[tenno]

Here the picture attached from my GB. The part worn out is outside the yellow ring as in the picture.

This 2 parts plus set of plates need to be changed. 1st pic cost around 1K. The 2nd pic and set of plate dont know how much.

Now waiting weather to change all these 3 items or do overhoul. Which is better and save cost?

 

[jarance]

Long time ago i had problem with 3rd gear. I heard sound of 'dumm' before 3rd gear is engaged. Later i had changed ATF then the sound disappear about 2 month. Then the sound come again. Less than a month later i had experienced as what i told in front page b4.

Now as what you said, my 3rd gear clutch plate burnt out. The plate housing (look alike a big cup) torn already + round flatsurface that holding the small2 ring (i dont what to call that) also worn out heavily.

According to the history and result, i do not know what cause what? Main cause and the consequences towards the final result.

I do realy dont have any idea weather to change GB or overhaul. So far my mech qoute around 5k for overhoul while new GB alone around 3K+++. Guys, what are your opinion?

BTW does GM GB E36 2.8L can be fitted to mine? My GB is GM also.

Your GB have suffered a serious damage to some of it components.

I am not sure whether you can overhaul the GB unless you can salvage some part from another GB.

If one of clutch plate is worn out, you have to replace all as the repair kit come in a set.

Are you sure that a new GB is 3K?

 

[chetz]

just take my babe from workshop today.. service the ATF, gasket and fillter... everythings seem sok.. tried the SD mode and M mode.. all fine.. but foreman advice to change the clutch palte.. most prob it has worn out my clucth plate.. quote brand new clutch plate for 3k plus.. or second hand ZF gb for 6k.. no sensor changed so far.. but forman advice see how it goes for this few months.. otherwise had to change or overhault the gb.. so whut say u guys?? should i change the clutch plate or change complete gb?? so far.. now my babe are running as good as new.. just afraid it might come worse again...

 

[jarance]

just take my babe from workshop today.. service the ATF, gasket and fillter... everythings seem sok.. tried the SD mode and M mode.. all fine.. but foreman advice to change the clutch palte.. most prob it has worn out my clucth plate.. quote brand new clutch plate for 3k plus.. or second hand ZF gb for 6k.. no sensor changed so far.. but forman advice see how it goes for this few months.. otherwise had to change or overhault the gb.. so whut say u guys?? should i change the clutch plate or change complete gb?? so far.. now my babe are running as good as new.. just afraid it might come worse again...

If you clutch is about to wear off, change it when you feel the rev and speed are moving out of syn.

 

[chetz]

tenno, ur 3rd gear clutch might be worn out already lo.. Advice you better do the GB overhaul before all ur gear hangus.. Then sure susah later.. Later drum all also rosak.

Long time ago i had problem with 3rd gear. I heard sound of 'dumm' before 3rd gear is engaged. Later i had changed ATF then the sound disappear about 2 month. Then the sound come again. Less than a month later i had experienced as what i told in front page b4.

Now as what you said, my 3rd gear clutch plate burnt out. The plate housing (look alike a big cup) torn already + round flatsurface that holding the small2 ring (i dont what to call that) also worn out heavily.

According to the history and result, i do not know what cause what? Main cause and the consequences towards the final result.

I do realy dont have any idea weather to change GB or overhaul. So far my mech qoute around 5k for overhoul while new GB alone around 3K+++. Guys, what are your opinion?

BTW does GM GB E36 2.8L can be fitted to mine? My GB is GM also.

i was told that e36 gbox does not fit for e46 gbox.. although its GM gbox.. but dont know how true it is... hows ur car progress so far bro?

 

[chetz]

If you clutch is about to wear off, change it when you feel the rev and speed are moving out of syn.

from ur experience.. how long would my gbox would last.. need to save money before i can do major overhault.. either change new clutch palte.. or complete gbox.. but change clutch palte.. i'll get a brand new clutch plate for 3k plus.. compared a 2nd hand gbox for 6k.. dunno how good the clutch plate and the gbox condition.. whut say u bro?

 

[jarance]

from ur experience.. how long would my gbox would last.. need to save money before i can do major overhault.. either change new clutch palte.. or complete gbox.. but change clutch palte.. i'll get a brand new clutch plate for 3k plus.. compared a 2nd hand gbox for 6k.. dunno how good the clutch plate and the gbox condition.. whut say u bro?

There is always pro and con about Overhaul & End Hand GB.

Overhaul. -
Pro.- You get a set of brand new plates and all the seal are new as the repair kit come in a set.
Con - not recommend if you have damaged parts.

2nd GB
Pro - If you get it from Japan, most of the GB are low mileage. it should last you about another 100K.
Con - You dont know the history or the mileage. You might end up doing another overhaul to your 2nd.

Most people prefer to do overhaul. As in the case of Tenno, his Gears component is damaged. Better to change to recon or 2nd hand..

There is no fix rule when it come to GB repair. You need to open the GB and inspect it properly by a specialist. Based on the inspection, then follow the recommendation by specialist.

 

[tenno]

Are you sure that a new GB is 3K?[/QUOTE]

No. It is not new GB. It is only recond GB.

 

[tenno]

Most people prefer to do overhaul. As in the case of Tenno, his Gears component is damaged. Better to change to recon or 2nd hand..

There is no fix rule when it come to GB repair. You need to open the GB and inspect it properly by a specialist. Based on the inspection, then follow the recommendation by specialist.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Agree.
I did survey the price for 2nd and recon GB. 2nd cost 2.5K while recon 3.5K. Both have warranty for 1 month. If take 2nd hand GB it will cost me 3.3K including labor n ATF while recon wil cost me 4.3K including labor n ATF. However if i do overhaul, it will cost me 3.3K too. Here are the detail if i do overhaul:

Gasket - 700
1 set cluth plate - 600
Housing n its component -700
Labor + ATF - 1.3K
Total - 3.3K

But b4 that i had spent 1.4K for :
service valve body -700
Solenoid - 400
ATF -300

So total for b4 n after overhoul is 4.7K

 

[chetz]

Most people prefer to do overhaul. As in the case of Tenno, his Gears component is damaged. Better to change to recon or 2nd hand..

There is no fix rule when it come to GB repair. You need to open the GB and inspect it properly by a specialist. Based on the inspection, then follow the recommendation by specialist.

Yes. Agree.
I did survey the price for 2nd and recon GB. 2nd cost 2.5K while recon 3.5K. Both have warranty for 1 month. If take 2nd hand GB it will cost me 3.3K including labor n ATF while recon wil cost me 4.3K including labor n ATF. However if i do overhaul, it will cost me 3.3K too. Here are the detail if i do overhaul:

Gasket - 700
1 set cluth plate - 600
Housing n its component -700
Labor + ATF - 1.3K
Total - 3.3K

But b4 that i had spent 1.4K for :
service valve body -700
Solenoid - 400
ATF -300

So total for b4 n after overhoul is 4.7K[/QUOTE]

how is it goin bro tenno???
mine are ok for few days.. now it happens again.. sending for refurbish.. or might changed for 2nd gbox.. how bout u??? bro.. pm me ur ctc number.. perhaps we can discuss and maybe u can helps me find a gb with bargain price....

 

[chetz]

check with a fren.. also kena.. event worse.. till the engine shut down and cant start.. e46 318 (1.8) send to someone name simon.. dont remember where.. dunno whut that fella do.. but total bill less than 2k... as good as new.. does anyone know this sifu name simon??

 

[jarance]

check with a fren.. also kena.. event worse.. till the engine shut down and cant start.. e46 318 (1.8) send to someone name simon.. dont remember where.. dunno whut that fella do.. but total bill less than 2k... as good as new.. does anyone know this sifu name simon??

bro.. If you are on a budget, maybe you can use a guy in Klang.. PM me if you are interested.

He did my GB when the aux pump was leaking for about 2K. Not full overhaul. The pump itself is about 1.2K. With ATF, seal and workmanship come to 2K. Add another 980 for the torque converter.

Maybe call PM adrian from M-Scope for a quotation or discussion. I am sure his boss is more than willing to help.

 

[chetz]

bro.. If you are on a budget, maybe you can use a guy in Klang.. PM me if you are interested.

He did my GB when the aux pump was leaking for about 2K. Not full overhaul. The pump itself is about 1.2K. With ATF, seal and workmanship come to 2K. Add another 980 for the torque converter.

Maybe call PM adrian from M-Scope for a quotation or discussion. I am sure his boss is more than willing to help.

how it goes after u did the service there? did ur car run as good as b4?? ya.. would love too.. pls.. pm me the ctc and details.. but ive send my car to workshop again today.. but i think the guy still havent touch my car yet.. most prob tommorow.. i wanna take a look whuts wrong with the gbox 1st.. and compared the price he quote with others.. if i had to tow.. i'll tow to klang...

pls pm me the number and name bro.. thank u.

 

[jarance]

how it goes after u did the service there? did ur car run as good as b4?? ya.. would love too.. pls.. pm me the ctc and details.. but ive send my car to workshop again today.. but i think the guy still havent touch my car yet.. most prob tommorow.. i wanna take a look whuts wrong with the gbox 1st.. and compared the price he quote with others.. if i had to tow.. i'll tow to klang...

pls pm me the number and name bro.. thank u.

My GB was back to normal after the repair. My problem was due to the failure of the aux pump seal. I heard that this is common problem with E46. On eht seal fail, all the atf oil would spilled out from the fail seal. The lack of transmission oil would cause the gear to not engage properly. During the dismantling of the GB, the torque converter sleeve was also found to be worn out. I have change that just to be on the safe side. BTW, when the sump of the GB was open, there was hardly any ATF left. When engage in "D" mode, the car could hardly moved until I accelerate to about 3000 rpm. Mind you, my mileage clock was about 100K km. What ever remain of the oil was quite black.

Also found that the GB mounting was damaged. This may or may not have contributed to the failure.

Now the GB is working well.

 

[tenno]

how is it goin bro tenno???
mine are ok for few days.. now it happens again.. sending for refurbish.. or might changed for 2nd gbox.. how bout u??? bro.. pm me ur ctc number.. perhaps we can discuss and maybe u can helps me find a gb with bargain price....[/QUOTE]

Hi chetz, mine still in progress. Parts expected to arrive tomorow and it would take at least 2 days to reassamble it. Maybe by friday my car will be on the road. Cant even wait.
In your case, after you did oil change plus filter and gasket, it will ok for short period only. But then it will happen again and again. This happen to me as i did mention in previous page. You know why? It because you just refresh the gearbox that is already not good. New oil cant event stay longer as good as new oil. That oil become dirt so fast(caused by debris produced inside GB) thus effecting your GB performance. Where the debris come from? Absolutely worn out parts.

If you keep changing ATF and drag the car everywhere, that worn parts keep wear and wear unnoticed.
That what was happened to me. I think your mech advise to change the clutch plate may right since your scenario doesnt show any faulty on aux pump. If pump fail, your gear wont move though you change ATF.

As mine, due to delay in action had cause me more- other part affected and broken bcoz being pushed along the way to workshop.

it is no harm to open up your GB to locate the faulty area. Then you can make decision to change damage parts or to replace other GB. As mine, my mech doesnt charge me on opening the GB until i make decisin weather to change GB or parts only? Then labor will different.

Ok. to cut short the story, i'll PM my no.

 

[chetz]

went to the wshop today.. they just take out the gb.. still cant see whuts the real prob inside.. mine is ZF.. any idea how much it cost for ZF recond seniors?