engine oil for E90

[astroboy]

The way the poll is set up, BMW Original Oil is perceived to be whatever the SC poured into our car. Be it Helix or Syntium..

 

[glock_8]

interesting poll results. wonder what exactly is bmw original oil

whatever the dealer pour in during the bsri hehehe

 

[Schwepps]

There...I'm not off the mark. So I voted Primax to add to the general confusion.

 

[bimmerdude]

The way the poll is set up, BMW Original Oil is perceived to be whatever the SC poured into our car. Be it Helix or Syntium..

didnt someone mention in the forums before that bmw oil is actually Castrol rebranded with the blue and white roundel?? makes sense since bmw F1 does carry the Castrol sponsor, or am i outdated?

MR SHWEPPES? OR SWEPS? schweppes?...sorry spelling german sounding words is not one of my strong points... hehe

 

[astroboy]

Nope. BMW F1 is not carrying Castrol sponsor..

F1.09 and F1.08, read the sponsor logo carefully.. :wink:

 

[Schwepps]

Ja? Sie nannten mich? You called?

It depends on where you buy it bro. Castrol Syntec or Edge would be the oil sold by the majority of dealers worldwide, but not all. The BMW oil from Germany that Spaceman got from Singapore looks to be a Castrol. But here in Petronas land, of course BMWM would prefer their dealers to carry Syntium. Petronas branding with BMW in F1 has lifted our oil company to global status, so it wouldn't make sense to snub here of all places.

I bet most of those who clicked 'BMW original oil' are using Syntium. If you want a better poll, just structure it more precisely (like a german would ) eg:

- Shell Helix Ultra AB
- Petronas Syntium 3000 LL
- Castrol Edge
- Mobil 1
- BP Visco 7000
- Torco SR-1
- Others

 

[Juan Powerblow]

There...I'm not off the mark. So I voted Primax to add to the general confusion.

Same here initially, then I realised there was the original BMW oil option which I should have picked instead and used my moderating powers (for the 1st time, mind you) to edit my choice.

 

[bimmerdude]

...which brings me to the 65,000 dollar question: Is the Syntium 3000LL then a LL01 category oil? and to think that i left out (more like forgot) about mobil 1 haha. thats the problem when they dont spend on advertising

 

[bimmerdude]

another question:

if i do the pre-BSRI oil change, and NOT reset the obc, can the sensors detect an oil change (meaning detect new, fresh oil in the engine) and accordingly adjust the service interval? I keep thinking about HAL in Space Oddysey I remember reading somewhere that the sensors are intelligent and can detect if oil is dirty and needs to be changed. the OBC gathers data from sensors and magically predicts the condition of our engines...

 

[turbology]

Parameter Unit of measure Data Test method
Viscosity (at 100°C) mm2/s 13.4 DIN 51562
VI 175 DIN ISO 2909
Flash point (COC) °C 220 DIN ISO 2592
Sulphated ash % 1.1 DIN 51 575

Viscosity@100C, 13.4 - a little low
VI - 175.. ok
Flash point - 220C good enough
Sulphated ash - 1.1 very high (not good)

For a RM50 per little, I would skip this oil.
Barely a B- oil in my book. How it score a BMW LL-01 ? I don't believe.

 

[Schwepps]

...which brings me to the 65,000 dollar question: Is the Syntium 3000LL then a LL01 category oil? and to think that i left out (more like forgot) about mobil 1 haha. thats the problem when they dont spend on advertising

Yes it is. 3000 LL, like Ultra AB is 'OEM-only' oil, not available outside of dealers. Petronas is using its branding in F1 to move steadily into the European lube oil market. If a European buys Selenia oil, a quite established Italian brand, they're actually buying a Petronas product made from Malaysian sweet crude. Petronas acquired FL Selenia for 1 billion Euros a couple of years ago. :top:

I wouldn't be surprised if BMW USA's original oil is Mobil 1. That's Exxonmobil's best oil.

 

[Schwepps]

another question:

if i do the pre-BSRI oil change, and NOT reset the obc, can the sensors detect an oil change (meaning detect new, fresh oil in the engine) and accordingly adjust the service interval? I keep thinking about HAL in Space Oddysey I remember reading somewhere that the sensors are intelligent and can detect if oil is dirty and needs to be changed. the OBC gathers data from sensors and magically predicts the condition of our engines...

Nah. The oil change indicator is a simple counter, calibrated by other parameters such as speed, acceleration and braking style, start-stop frequency, etc. It won't self-reset because of an oil change.

 

[Schwepps]

Viscosity@100C, 13.4 - a little low
VI - 175.. ok
Flash point - 220C good enough
Sulphated ash - 1.1 very high (not good)

For a RM50 per little, I would skip this oil.
Barely a B- oil in my book. How it score a BMW LL-01 ? I don't believe.

As I said earlier, this Ravenol is a bit behind in spec, also indicated by the SL and MB229.1 classification. But it's more than adequate for 10-12k changes. I wouldn't take it to 25k though.

 

[meinauto]

Wanna share and post the flyer?

Sharing is caring....:love:

Was at Ingress yesterday and re-read the flyer. If you have BSRI, labour is free...but you still have to pay for oil

The flyer does not say how often you should change but according to the SA, BMW has informally said every 10k km

 

[bimmerdude]

Nah. The oil change indicator is a simple counter, calibrated by other parameters such as speed, acceleration and braking style, start-stop frequency, etc. It won't self-reset because of an oil change.

thanks schweppes... i thought i was driving a super intelligent driving machine. At least now i know its a bit dumb.

 

[bimmerdude]

well, i've always thought bmw oil would be their own special blend and would be distinct from over the counter brands From your info, we can then assume that those who filled up in bmw centers are in fact using petronas syntium 3000LL or shell helix ultra AB.
so to be germanic about it, the poll should be:

shell helix ultra AB (dealer)
Petronas Syntium 3000LL (dealer)
Mobil 1 (retail outlet)
Castrol Edge (retail outlet)
Petronas (retail outlet)
Shell helix ultra (retail outlet)
Others

 

[Schwepps]

well, i've always thought bmw oil would be their own special blend and would be distinct from over the counter brands From your info, we can then assume that those who filled up in bmw centers are in fact using petronas syntium 3000LL or shell helix ultra AB.
so to be germanic about it, the poll should be:

shell helix ultra AB (dealer)
Petronas Syntium 3000LL (dealer)
Mobil 1 (retail outlet)
Castrol Edge (retail outlet)
Petronas (retail outlet)
Shell helix ultra (retail outlet)
Others

That's not how manufacturing works. In this age of efficient globalisation, a company just has a design specification and looks for products that meet those specs to be OEM products. So BMW doesn't blend its own oil, or produce any other fluids in the car. The BMW design specification for oil is its LL spec. If an oil blender thinks he meets that spec, he puts it on his label and advertising as "meets/complies with LL-01". I think it's only if they say "approved by BMW" is it actually tested by BMW.

Yes, the dealer oil here is Syntium 3000 LL and Helix Ultra AB. I know AB Glen and IA Mutiara use Syntium 3000LL in both their service fills and top-up bottles.

Your poll should not have 'dealer or retail outlet' - I don't think you can get fully synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol Edge, Visco 7000 at retail. The stuff you can get at retail will be blended locally or regionally, and will likely be G-III oil. Don't repeat Petronas and Shell either. Include Torco SR-1 as there are many fans of this brand.

 

[bimmerdude]

I learn something new everyday

 

[bimmerdude]

you got me thinking about Torco. Anyone here has the full specs?

 

[Schwepps]

I learn something new everyday

We all do :wink: In the auto world, OEM - Original Equipment Manufacturer - means a secondary manufacturer who manufactures parts or products for the primary brand, to be sold under that brand. An example would be BMW wheels, which say may be made by Zender or AEZ, but sold with the BMW logo. It can also mean a part or product that is approved for use by that brand, eg Castrol Edge or Syntium 3000 LL. Products that are not specifically approved by that brand are referred to as 'aftermarket'.

In the IT world, it's the other way around. OEM refers to Value Added Resellers who purchase a branded product and use it in their own product without changing the brand name. Interestingly, the term OEM was started by Digital Equipment waaaaay back in the early days of IT.