Don't fall victim to Online Crooks, jerk them around instead.. (Part 2)

[andrewk]

Gents, I recently put my RX8 up for sale and posted an ad on Mudah. An interested buyer contacted me with the usual "I'm interested blah blah blah...is it still available blah blah blah". So I replied yes and gave "her" my contact. Then came the next email:-from : Ah-pie Ahmad (ahpieahmad@yahoo.com)to : medate : Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:37 PMsubject : Re: Reply: 2005 Mazda RX8 4AT Bayside Blueif you are sure the vehicle is in good condition,give me the best price you can sell the vehicle because i can not come to test drive the vehicle because am based in united kingdom and my spouse who based in overseas sent me to buy him a vehicle from Malaysia, that is why am contacting you, so if you are sure the vehicle is in good condition, i will pay you for the vehicle and will arrange my pick up agent to pick the vehicle from you and ship it to my husband in oversea, i will include the pick up agent fee in the payment which will be transferred to you via my royal bank of scotland account, so i want you to provide me with your bank details with mobile number, so that i can initiate the payment into your local bank account via Royal Bank of scotland, United kingdom. Thanks hope to hear from you soon. Mrs Ahmad
Having read Berzerkdroid's thread (http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37459), all the alarm bells went off like crazy.....So, I though, why not have some fun..... So, here I am looking for suggestions on how to return the favor. Can't wait to hear from you guys! BTW, Mudah gave me the IP address where the mail came from. It is 98.143.146.83.Can anyone find out where that is?

 

[bmw7833]

I also received the same reply when i want to sell the RM150 used digital camera..They main hamtam aje.

When u trace the IP 98.143.146.83, you will get:-

IP address state: California
IP address city: Los Angeles

 

[Herbert]

Calling calling ....bro Berzerkdroid....... you are needed ASAP to assist/give suggestions.

 

[CHONGMIC]

same here..I got the same replied like you andrewk..exactly the same write up from Mrs. Ahmad..
another 2 from name Paul & Green York..all from UK..

 

[mizhan]

just wondering, what scam are these conmen pulling with the bank account details they obtain?

 

[andrewk]

Guys, as I type this, I'm chatting with another scammer on Gmail about my car. Same modus operandi as berzerkdroid's case... paypal crap.....

 

[andrewk]

WARNING: LONG POST

Here's part 1 of my chat with the scammer, Caroline Jane (j.caroline1955@gmail.com):

4:24 PM
caroline: hello
me: oh... hi!
caroline: i made the transfer in MYR not RP
did you see it?
me: Ok.. let me check again... (I sent "her" an email saying the Paypal confirmation paid me in Indian Rupee which is IDR and not RP.. "she" took the bait and contacted me on gmail chat)

4:25 PM
i got it from paypal intl...
its in RP. Can you check with paypal?

4:26 PM
caroline: can you send a copy to me to forward to them
send it now
me: ok...
caroline: am waiting
me: give me a min... I'm new to all this... sorry.

4:27 PM
ok... just sent

4:28 PM
did u get it?

4:29 PM
caroline?
r u still there?

4:30 PM
caroline: yes
me: ok.. I thought I click the wrong button.

4:31 PM
did u get my email?
caroline: haha
why
yhu are playing me
right??

4:32 PM
me: why are YOU playing ME?

4:33 PM
caroline: i dont understand yhu you mean i will send the copy paypal sent to me
it MYR
not RP
me: ok ok... send it to me again.
r u from the uk?

4:35 PM
caroline? I havent got anything from paypal yet?

4:36 PM
i check my account and it does not have any money in it.
caroline: have yhu seen my mail?
me: got it...
ok. MYR. Thanks... I got a bit worried there....

4:37 PM
what next?

caroline: read the mail
payment to the shipper
me: ok ok....

4:38 PM
but I got no money in paypal. account still zero

4:40 PM
caroline: did you get my mail?
i just sent you a mail
me: not yet...

4:41 PM
caroline: check pls no joke
me: ok... I just got it... gimme a sec.... to read...
caroline: k

4:42 PM
me: Your mail said send Rm4,200 then it says send $1,400.... I'm confused...

4:43 PM
caroline: total with the western union fee
me: ok ok... I understand now.
caroline: so go now and send the money
to the shipper
ok
me: at Marsh Wall? (that's the address of the "shipper" in the UK - check on google map... there's a lap dance joint there... hahah!)

4:45 PM
caroline: try and send the money to the shipper now
let me know once it is done
me: there is no account details for Courier Exchange in the email. Do you have their account numnber?

4:46 PM
caroline: Via western union

4:48 PM
me: I called a friend who is in the shipping business. He can send the car over to UK for me at a friend price of only RM3,000. Maybe I can pay him to do it and refund the MYR1,200 to you. Save you some money too. Which port destination?

4:49 PM
caroline: ahah you have to follow PayPal Instruction

4:50 PM
i already made the arrangement just for you to pay the shipper that's all
now Go to the western union office now and send the money ASAP

4:51 PM
me: But my friend's shipping company, Leiga Chowhai Shipping Co Ltd is cheaper... wouldn't you want to save some money?

4:53 PM
caroline: no
i follow paypal's way to ensure safe deal
ok
so go and send the money
or you dont have the money?

4:55 PM
me: ok.. to be honest, I don't have the complete RM4,200. I'm selling my car to pay some loansharks (long story). Thats why I am suggesting a cheaper shipping company. hope you understand.
if you can help me, I can quickly arrange my shipper to do it. Whats your address?
caroline: how much do you have with you maybe i can help

4:56 PM
but yhu pay me back once the money is approved
ok

4:57 PM
me: Ok. I can scrap together around RM1,000

4:58 PM
ok.. I got exactly 1,467.. thats all I can pay right now.

5:00 PM
caroline: i will contact paypal to release half of the money for you to pay the balance
so go now and send the money
before the they close
ok
let me know once its done
or can you try and borrow the money and let us finalize the deal

5:02 PM
me: That's good news! I'll wait for paypal's confrimation and will proceed to make payment of RM1467.... thanks

5:03 PM
will pay you the balance once I get half into my account.
caroline: ok
i will contact them now
reply once yhu get the mail from paypal ok

5:04 PM
me: ok... waiting for it.

5:07 PM
I've got nothing yet....

5:08 PM
caroline: check your spam

5:09 PM
me: Good thing Western Union is opposite my office.... will get it done immediately once I get the confrimation.

5:10 PM
caroline: ok

5:11 PM
me: uh oh... It's almost 5.30 here... Western Union is closing soon... still haven't got the mail...
caroline: have yhu seen it?

5:12 PM
???
me: okok... got it... I'll be right back... running over there now....
caroline: ok

5:14 PM
let me know once it is done

5:16 PM
me: ...I'm back... gotta problem

caroline: what?
??

5:17 PM
me: the western union guy said for amounts above RM1000, they need the phone number of the recipient..... can you give it to me quick... the will close in 10 mins.... I need to run back there soon

5:19 PM
caroline: what do you mean by that
just go there and send the money to the shipper ok
i done have his phone number

5:20 PM
i only have his address but will give me once the payment is sent to him so that he can contact you

Part 2 coming soon....

 

[z///]

^^looking forward to part 2.

 

[Eggie86]

Play that fella out of his misery. At least we can mess that guy up real bad. For our entertainment... To paraphrase Mr. Glambert.

 

[bmw7833]

Bro, Can pm me the contact for Leiga Chowhai Shipping Co Ltd?? :4:

 

[andrewk]

Oh... back to Mrs Norsiah for a while. I replied to her earlier email:

Sent 11:40AM 14 OCT 2010

Hi Mrs Norsiah,

Best price is RM143k. Where is your spouse based in? I will only send you my bank account number once you have confirmed the purchase.

And received a reply not long after

Received 3:03PM 14 OCT 2010

thanks, i agree with the price, then provide me with the following bank details so that i can proceed with the payment
Account name
Account number
Bank name
Amount
e-mail
Mobile number
so that i can proceed with the payment as soon as possible. Thanks

So I obliged:-

Sent 11:40AM 14 OCT 2010

That is fantastic. What about shipping? Who is your pick up agent? Where is the shipping address?

Anyway, you can bank it into my company's account as it is also with RBS here in Malaysia. Details are as follows (all CLEARLY fictitious - unless you are a stupid scammer) :-

Acct Name: Leiamah Chawhai Trading Pte Ltd
Acct No: 4-467-967-1144
Bank Name: Royal Bank of Scotland (Malaysian branch)
Amount: RM143,000 + shipping fee
Email: as above
Mobile: as provided

Thanks & looking to hear from you soon.

Rgds,

Andrew

And whaddaya know... a reply...

Received 5:28PM 14 OCT 2010

thanks, i will make the payment now, and get back to you when i have made the payment

Not long after, I received 2 email from "Royal Bank of Scotland" (royalbankfundtransfer@accountant.com) - yeah right. One confirming payment to "Leiamah Chawhai Trading Pte Ltd" (as usual, multiple font and spelling mistakes) for Malaysian "Ringitt" 143,000 + GBP800 for shipping....And another basically telling me to transfer $$ to the shipping agent.... blah blah blah.... pretty much the same as the paypal scam.

Haven't decide what to do next....

 

[Eggie86]

Wakakaka. Leiamah. ROTFL. :top:

 

[andrewk]

Here's part 2 of my conversation with Caroline Jane:

5:21 PM
me: Sorry... my connection dropped for a while...
caroline: so have yhu made the payment ? (you'll notice that this person is spastic and spells "you" as "yhu")

5:23 PM
me: Ok... I've split into 2 smaller payments...less than RM1000
can you release the money now?

5:24 PM
caroline: have yhu sent the money to the shipper??
???
no jokes
am serious

5:25 PM
me: yes... I've made the payment but split into 2 to avoid the phone number.
phone number requirement....

5:26 PM
caroline: send the western union receipt to paypal for them to do that not me or send to me to forward to a PayPal
me: The shipper should be getting one payment of RM467 and another for RM967... (the numbers don't add up to what "she" wanted me to pay... but does "she" cares?? hahah!)
Uh... how? I don't have a scanner. Can I fax it over? (trying to see if "she" will give me a phone number)

5:27 PM
caroline: send the details to me
MTCN, SENDERS NAME
TOTAL
now
me: ok ok.... gimme a sec....
caroline: k

5:28 PM
me: oh shit... wait....

5:29 PM
caroline: what?
me: the loan sharks are here... lemme stall.... gimme a min....
caroline: ahaha
meaning what?

5:30 PM
me: shit shit shit.... I think they r here to collect....

To be continued.....

 

[Eggie86]

Loan sharks somemore... Does people in the UK/States know who we're referring to?

 

[andrewk]

Loan sharks somemore... Does people in the UK/States know who we're referring to?

Hahaha!! you're assuming "she" is from the US/UK....

 

[andrewk]

Ok.. final part to my chat with "Caroline Jane":-

me: shit shit shit.... I think they r here to collect....
caroline: just for yhu to send the details to me
tell them yhu will pay once the deal os done
so try and be fast
so that you can withdraw the money today

5:31 PM
me: ok ok.... lemme talk to them to explain.... thank God you transferred the money... else I;m dead.....
caroline: no worry

5:32 PM
me: shit... they don't believe me.... can you talk to them?

5:33 PM
WHO IS THIS?!?!? (hahah!!! I even FULLCAP the loan shark's chat to tip him off, but the fella is so desperate to get his money...)
caroline: what yhu are playing or what??
me: WHO IS THIS!!! I WANT MY MONEY AND HE SAID YOU GOT IT!

5:34 PM
caroline: no
only when he give's me the western union details
me: WHO ARE YOU?!?!?

5:35 PM
caroline: tell him to give me the details or forward to PayPal
me: ok ok... me again....

5:36 PM
damn..... they busted me up pretty bad....

5:37 PM
caroline: dont wana tal again just send me the details or forward to PayPal your self

5:38 PM
what are yhu waiting for??
send it to me now
ok
dont wana tal again just send me the details or forward to PayPal your self
me: ok ok... gimme a min... they messed up the office pretty bad.. looking for the western union receipt... gimme a sec.... ouch...

5:40 PM
MTCN.

5:41 PM
wait... are you for real? if I don't get the money, I'm dead you know....
should I check with western union again?

5:42 PM
caroline: send the details to me now
the
senders name:
MTCN:
total:

5:43 PM
now
ok
no talk
again
me: Senders Name: Lei Low Mou

5:44 PM
MTCN: 4671196749
Total: MYR967
second one is:

5:45 PM
Senders Name: Lei Sor Low
5:46 PM
Total: MYR467
done. (purposely didn't send the 2nd MTCN just to piss him off)
caroline: secound mtcn number
me: oh ya...
here it is...

5:47 PM
caroline: what??

5:48 PM
me: Sent already. (no I didn't)
didn't you get it?
caroline: what is it
i didn't get it

5:49 PM
me: I sent already... r u playing me?
caroline: ok send it again
me: ok..
got it?
caroline: send it again

5:50 PM
me: I just did?!?!?! c'mon... don;t play me here... I'm gonna die if I don't get the money...
caroline: send it as a mail to me now
so that i can send to PayPal

5:51 PM
me: Ok done. Pls confirm.

5:52 PM
caroline: what is the first and second name?
me: got my email?

5:53 PM
got it?

5:54 PM
caroline: hello
yhu there?
me: ya.. you got my email?
caroline: nope
me: Have you check the spam box?

5:55 PM
caroline: W0131 We do not have an order with the provided information. Please verify your information and click Check Status of another transfer.
nice try
me: huh?
caroline: am report to paypal not to release the money
i thought as much

5:56 PM
me: why? I already paid western union...
caroline: hw can yhu send western union 1 min
nice try
i will be contacting PayPal now
me: why?

5:57 PM
what is wrong... I already paid....
caroline: what do you mean WHY
me: I need the money...
are you cheating me?
caroline: what is the first name and second name
i don't get
i cant cheat yhu
me: First Name is Lei

5:58 PM
caroline: you are try to joke with me
cool
me: second name is Low Mou
what joke... shit... I just got beaten up and you think its a joke?!?!?? r u cheating me!!!!

5:59 PM
caroline: W0131 We do not have an order with the provided information. Please verify your information and click Check Status of another transfer.
Welcome to Western Union
MTCN : 4671196749
that what it said

6:00 PM
me: gimme your fax number.. I'll fax the thing to you....
I'm not kidding here.... I need the money asap
caroline: send it has a mail to me now
both payment

6:01 PM
maybe yhu gave me the second mtcn for the first one
me: I don't have a scanner.... I just sent you the details earlier... if you don't believe me, I'll fax the actual copy to you now....(trying again to see if he is desperate enuf to give me a number)
I've check... it's correct.
caroline: copy and send to me on chat now
me: I just did!
caroline: do it again
me: I also sent you a mail with the details... go check your inbox....

6:02 PM
caroline: it not there
send again
j.caroline1955@gmail.com
me: c'mon.. the loanshark said they'll be back in a while and I'd better have the money....
Sent again...

6:03 PM
caroline: i will check again
me: Oh shit... they are back again... quick... shit... shit....

6:04 PM
just gimme your fax... I'll send it now... quick....
caroline: send has mail
bye
me: got it?
caroline: no

6:05 PM
me: in your spam?
caroline: no
me: in your a***hole?
caroline: got it
me: F**king scammer....
caroline: WTF

6:06 PM
me: yeah... WTF.... a***hole....
caroline: i know yhu are joking me
cool one bro
me: No, I;m not joking you.... I'm f**king you around...
caroline: let do bussiness (wah... the fella wanna do business with me summore.... WTF?!?!?)

6:07 PM
i mean cool one

me: don't bro me... I've reported you to the iC3....

(everything after here is just a loads and loads of swearing until he decided to log out)

Crazy experience! :stupid:

BTW, "Caroline Jane" is from Pakistan.....

 

[Eggie86]

Hahaha. Good one. Screw that fella up down left right.

 

[ssmann]

My good lord!!! This is too much la.....hahahahaha!!!

 

[ssmann]

This is how I ended the conversation with IR Adam!! Hahahaha

Why don't u suck my c*** and call me Uncle Sam??? Best is u FO right now
________________________________________
From: Engineer Adam Smith
To: Singh, Serjit SHELMSIA-FX/E
Sent: Fri Oct 15 1732 2010
Subject: Re: Car for sale
i cant understand you ...have already make the payment of rm36,150 all my bank is waiting for now is the deposit slip of the rm 4150 so you have to go ahead now and send the rm4150 to the agent and get back to my bank with the deposit slip for them to activate your money immidately ok


On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:27 AM, wrote:
That's fantastic!!! Wow, yes I received it....ok, can I pay cash instead...I'm not so IT savvy

________________________________________
From: Engineer Adam Smith
To: Singh, Serjit SHELMSIA-FX/E
Sent: Fri Oct 15 1731 2010

Subject: Re: Car for sale

i think by now you should have receveid the payment confirmation from my bank so i want you to go ahead now and make the deposit of rm4150 to the agent bank account now and i want you to get back to my bank with the deposite slip to my bank for the activation of your money into your account thank here is the bank account


ACCOUNT NAME: Jilen Mikan
BANK NAME : R H B BANK
ACCOUNT NUMBER: 1-61217-0001608-8
SWIFT CODE : RHBBMYKL

 

[devil9]

Ok.. final part to my chat with "Caroline Jane":-



Crazy experience! :stupid:

BTW, "Caroline Jane" is from Pakistan.....

you're 1 heck of scammer s well .....totally enjoyed the conversation...

at least i know who to look for when it comes to LEI family biz....it's so diversified conglomerate!!! :top: