Change Gear Oil @22,000km

[etquah]

Going for my 2nd BSRI service, thinking of changing the gear oil on my own expense since this is one of the "sensitive" part of the car ?Need advice from the sifus out there : -What's you opinion ? To do it or not ? Thru your experience, when is the appropriate time to change ?

 

[astroboy]

I'll be doing mine at 60k km.. approx. 2 more years..

 

[MSport]

Sob! Sob! My 60K km is rolling in faster than I estimated. Should I change my GB oil too?

P.S This is not covered under BSRI, right?

 

[Silver320]

I recently sent my car for brake fluid replacement under BSRI, at first I thought it was just a simple oil change, 10 mins can kao-tim. In actual they took more than 3 hours for this service, claiming that the standard procedure includes computer diagnostic, safety checking, draining and refilling brake fluid from all wheels and car wash. This is in consideration that the service booking was made and I was waiting at lounge.

By the way, I asked the SA about the interval for oil change, he mentioned the free oil change only be provided when the service indicator pops up, or for those low milliage user, every 2 years, not every 1 year as I read somewhere in the forum.

 

[BMWs]

Sob! Sob! My 60K km is rolling in faster than I estimated. Should I change my GB oil too?

P.S This is not covered under BSRI, right?

Prevention is better than cure.

 

[astroboy]

Bear in mind that when we replace ATF, its not a complete drain because much of the ATF is lock up in the torque converter chamber.. the common method of ATF replacement is only draining whatever left on the tranny oil pan and replace it with fresh ATF. The next time we run the gearbox, the fresh ATF will be drawn into the torque converter chamber and mix with the old ATF to somewhat dilute the dirty ATF into less dirty ATF.. therefore, the more frequent we replace the ATF, the better because the ATF in the tranny gets less dirty. I know some actually do it every 20k km.. to keep the ATF "red"..

My Toyota is every 40k km.. factory recommended. Every time I DIY the replacement, I tend to over fill it a little (+250~500ml), then I siphon the excess out from the dipstick outlet, after running it for some time.. I noticed whatever siphoned out remain dark red in color like undiluted Ribena compare to the transparent red ATF that pour it..

Stupid tranny design!! :stupid:

 

[Schwepps]

I recently sent my car for brake fluid replacement under BSRI, at first I thought it was just a simple oil change, 10 mins can kao-tim. In actual they took more than 3 hours for this service, claiming that the standard procedure includes computer diagnostic, safety checking, draining and refilling brake fluid from all wheels and car wash. This is in consideration that the service booking was made and I was waiting at lounge.

By the way, I asked the SA about the interval for oil change, he mentioned the free oil change only be provided when the service indicator pops up, or for those low milliage user, every 2 years, not every 1 year as I read somewhere in the forum.

Changing brake fluid and bleeding the brakes is not a quick process, Silver. 3 hours is very quick and I think it's very good of them to change it under BSRI anyway.

The oil change interval you're talking about is for engine oil and not auto gearbox oil, correct?

 

[Silver320]

Changing brake fluid and bleeding the brakes is not a quick process, Silver. 3 hours is very quick and I think it's very good of them to change it under BSRI anyway.

The oil change interval you're talking about is for engine oil and not auto gearbox oil, correct?

Oops, this thread is about gear box oil ! not engine oil...my mistake, soli soli, and thanks for pointing out, Schwepps. Anyway, I was confused with the statement by the SA that the engine oil change is done under BRSI either OBC pop up or every 2 years, whichever comes first. I thought it was every year regardless of low milliage.

 

[BMWs]

Bear in mind that when we replace ATF, its not a complete drain because much of the ATF is lock up in the torque converter chamber.. the common method of ATF replacement is only draining whatever left on the tranny oil pan and replace it with fresh ATF. The next time we run the gearbox, the fresh ATF will be drawn into the torque converter chamber and mix with the old ATF to somewhat dilute the dirty ATF into less dirty ATF.. therefore, the more frequent we replace the ATF, the better because the ATF in the tranny gets less dirty. I know some actually do it every 20k km.. to keep the ATF "red"..

My Toyota is every 40k km.. factory recommended. Every time I DIY the replacement, I tend to over fill it a little (+250~500ml), then I siphon the excess out from the dipstick outlet, after running it for some time.. I noticed whatever siphoned out remain dark red in color like undiluted Ribena compare to the transparent red ATF that pour it..

Stupid tranny design!! :stupid:

My next GB oil change, have to remove the entire GB attach to the engine in order to drain the ATF from the torque converter area. Better to be safe than sorry. Hehe

 

[astroboy]

... Anyway, I was confused with the statement by the SA that the engine oil change is done under BRSI either OBC pop up or every 2 years, whichever comes first. I thought it was every year regardless of low milliage.

There was a Service Bulletin: SI B00 04 01 that says:

All Referenced Models: Engine oil should be changed at least once per year.
The BMW Maintenance Program allows for this operation if a vehicle does not
travel enough to have a BMW Engine Oil Service performed. This detail is
listed in the respective Service/Warranty booklet. Please make customers
aware of this important fact when you review an upcoming Service
Appointment. Refer to SI B00 04 01.

The following is from www.bmwtis.com, maintained by BMW North America (I believe)..
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82615&d=1182431118

Refer to paragraph no 4 page 5 in the above PDF file.

I wrote to BMW Malaysia via BMW Voice with the above information but was asked to refer to SC. So when I go to SC, SC say as long as OBC didn't report "Engine Oil Due Change", they can't claim BMW Malaysia for oil change to my car, the SC will have to charge me. I didn't escalate the matter.. which I should! Maybe one of you LCI fella should pursue the matter.. :wink:

Ops... off topic again.. Back to gear oil or ATF

 

[etquah]

If this is the case, I will change mine at 40k km. Checked with Sapura Auto, it is RM1,500 with labour charges.

 

[etquah]

Sob! Sob! My 60K km is rolling in faster than I estimated. Should I change my GB oil too?

P.S This is not covered under BSRI, right?

IF 60k km no more under warranty, change at outside workshop. Cheaper than the official SC I think.

 

[Schwepps]

40k is too early IMO. 60k onwards should be fine. This is life-time ATF and BMW doesn't even mandate change at all. There are also threads that tell of GB problems after a change.

 

[sunnypuan]

IF 60k km no more under warranty, change at outside workshop. Cheaper than the official SC I think.

Outside cheaper a lot, If I'm not mistaken change the oil itself is under RM300 for a GM gearbox ! ZF gearbox will cost higher because of the oil filter is together with plastic cover. That's what my mech told me...

 

[astroboy]

...ZF gearbox will cost higher because of the oil filter is together with plastic cover....

I am afraid this is what we are having..

 

[MSport]

40k is too early IMO. 60k onwards should be fine. This is life-time ATF and BMW doesn't even mandate change at all. There are also threads that tell of GB problems after a change.

Decision, decision, to change or not to change?

 

[king82]

if you feel better having it changed, then why not? peace of mind =)

 

[Schwepps]

Ya, it's like deciding whether to use protection or not. To wear or not to wear?

 

[sunnypuan]

I am afraid this is what we are having..

AB, according to my mech my 320 LCI using GM gearbox. Are all LCI's 320 using GM?? or ZF??

 

[astroboy]

AB, according to my mech my 320 LCI using GM gearbox. Are all LCI's 320 using GM?? or ZF??

Yes, ur mech is right. U r on GM's GA6L45R transmission that comes with separated oil filter as seen below:

1. Oil sump
2. Oil pan gasket
3. Magnet
4. Oil filter set
6. Oil drain plug
7. Oil filler plug

The cut over seems to be in 2008. Prior 2008 was ZF GA6HP19.. perhaps its the LCI.. including the 323i.. using this GM box.