A good initiative by the CMs on ensuring that members are not taken advantage

[gamenoob]

What happen if the majority of the OM want them to stay as CM. I for one want them to stay.
It no fun being an CM. Everybody can take a pot shot and insult them when it is in season.

how to ask them to resign? who is going to take over their place? do you want to volunteer? can you keep the rest of the OM happy?

Jarance
How is that a potshot when everyone asking the cm to explain himself better while he continue with slander? in larger context legal pursuit would have occur.

No one say being a cm is fun? Infact such roles are reserve for individuals who are suppose to be cream of the crop. They suppose to lead by example and demonstrate ability to rise above occasion where best standard are upheld.

The question beg to be answered are... Have this individual and the cm rise above the occasion to do the right thing?

Resigning and sacking is probably the easiest way out...still an option nevertheless but did it answer te above question?

 

[Herbert]

Even with the thread now closed, http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/foru...A-K-DCAN-USB-Interface-Diagnostic-Cable/page5

I believe CMs will still need to address the issue appropriately and provide explanations for what just happened, instead of burying it.

Wingzee,

To justify your selling price of RM220, you posted in the other sales thread that you will be ordering the item from here...http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-BMW-US..._Automotive_Tools&hash=item4d0a39e4b7&vxp=mtr. . This ebay seller has so far sold only 1 (one) unit and is from Romania. If you had ordered the previous 2 sets from same ebay seller, shouldn't the qty sold be shown/displayed as more than 1 set? As a matter of fact, yesterday I placed an order for similar item with the manufacturer i.e. OBDChina.com and spoken to them and was informed that OBDChina also supplied similar items to other sellers including the ebay seller that you claimed you had previously purchased from.

Please do show proof (courier document, invoice etc) that you indeed purchased the 2 previous sets from the above ebay seller.

 

[tIANcI]

Wingzee,

To justify your selling price of RM220, you posted in the other sales thread that you will be ordering the item from here...http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-BMW-US..._Automotive_Tools&hash=item4d0a39e4b7&vxp=mtr. . This ebay seller has so far sold only 1 (one) unit and is from Romania. If you had ordered the previous 2 sets from same ebay seller, shouldn't the qty sold be shown/displayed as more than 1 set? As a matter of fact, yesterday I placed an order for similar item with the manufacturer i.e. OBDChina.com and spoken to them and was informed that OBDChina also supplied similar items to other sellers including the ebay seller that you claimed you had previously purchssed from.

Herbert ... Are you for real? I mean this is madness la. What rule did Wingzee breach? Why you asking this when some new OMs have not been given their stuff since they joined? Wingzee not selling price controlled items la. Also, some cars being sold here is way over the market price and many OMs are laughing about it during TTs

 

[jarance]

Keeping it in context it has to be this:

- decide if Wingzee has breached any of the forum rules
Ans: No he has not. He is allowed to post any price that he want and other can as well.

- if he has, state why and as to which rule
Ans: he has not breach any rule

- wingzee to be censured for it
Ans: Why you think he is being censured? The TS ask for the said thread to be closed and he also stated he lost the interest to sell the item.

- if he has not then is the nosiness of Herbert acceptable?
I dont know. You have to ask Herbert about his nosiness.

- is Herbert posting as a CM or OM?
Does it matter whether a CM, OM or CG point out a commonly item could be procured at a lower price?

- if CM then is this the collective stand of the whole committee?
I dont know. Again, you have to post this question to the committees. I cannot speak on their behalf.

- if not then Herbert will be judged as any ordinary OM posting
bro, I think it is the other way round.

- if Herbert is wrong to be a nosy Parker then do something about it
Sack him for doing his job or for pointing out an item can be bought cheaper else where, where is the logic?

Remember, no personal attacks allowed as per the rules. To accuse Wingzee of over profiting is a personal attack.
Based on the cost price (from herbert) and selling price (from wingzee) = 100% profit.
Based on the cost price (from winzee) and selling price (from wingzee) =

 

[wingzee]

Herbert, for once can you please address the issue of public accusations instead keep pursuing the matter of pricing? Which rule did I breached? Stick to what the topic is about as per what tianci has highlighted. I myself is sick of this honestly. If you wanted to continue the discussion on pricing, please do not close down the previous thread.

Mr Prez himself have since posted that CM's will have a meeting to discuss over this. I believe the CM should have a collectively agreed & finalized the decision before replying on this issue.

 

[tIANcI]

Janrance ... If Wingzee has not breached any rules, what is the issue with Herbert? Why must it be that as long as Herbert feels its wrong so it's wrong? Come on Jarance ... Herbert is clearly a nosy Parker here. Does he bother to go see why other sales for cars is way above market rate? Ask him to go check why some new OMs still waiting for their starter pack la ... That is more important since Herbert is so free.

 

[wingzee]

Jarence,

The core issue here is accusations. If any CG/OM/CM is unhappy or felt the price is unreasonable, highlight it and not ACCUSING someone of having a 100% profit upfront. Forum rule clearly stated that no personal attacks are allowed. As simple as that. Why only CGs/OMs are moderated? Are CM's posting moderated as well? In addition to that, up until this moment there have not been a guidelines or rule on pricing of items.

 

[BenedictC]

IMHO let willing seller, willing buyer take its course as long as it is not far from fair market value.

I wonder would this be an issue if Wingzee were to sell his item at 50% below market price.. Hmm...

 

[sixpotters]

My two cent,
BMW Club Malaysia is like a club house.
CM are elected to watch over the club house.
OM are the club house members.
CG are just that, guest invited to try out the club house hoping that they will join as members and thus contribute to the well being of the club house.

The last few months, we have CG coming in complaining about the club house and how the CM doing their job. Using the club house as platform to organise activity. Of course there will OM who might be unhappy. How would you feel if your club house guest come and utilise your club house without contributing a single cent and still want to complain about the club house or the CM or the OM.

And then the chicken and egg story, If the CM do this and if the CM do that, I would have joined to become OM. Come on! Just join and participate in the CM election, in fact why not join and become the CM and show the rest of the OM how a CM should act, behave, react and respond! Leadership by example, and it only cost you RM300. Be OM today, contribute to the beautiful club house of us named BMWCM and make it better.

 

[tIANcI]

Must show proof of purchase? I seen complains here of BMW dealer taking orders and deposit but failing to deliver car as promised. We need to ask for proof car is being assembled too. LOL

 

[Mavik]

- if Herbert is wrong to be a nosy Parker then do something about it
Sack him for doing his job or for pointing out an item can be bought cheaper else where, where is the logic?

Remember, no personal attacks allowed as per the rules. To accuse Wingzee of over profiting is a personal attack.
Based on the cost price (from herbert) and selling price (from wingzee) = 100% profit.
Based on the cost price (from winzee) and selling price (from wingzee) = 100%
2) no one has taken up because they know they can buy it elsewhere at a cheaper price
3) Herbert just drops Wingzee a PM saying that it is rather expensive, see if he is doing this commercially as a seller then apply club vendor
4) If it is not for commercial gains, then share with Wingzee that there is a place cheaper. Not everyone knows where is the best place to find the cheapest stuff
5) Wingzee because of this new knowledge, benefits from this, closes his own thread and proceed to buy from a new source. Case closed.
6) Herbert just keeps an eye out for any potential threads coming from Wingzee to see if he is indeed trying to do funny business by not applying to be a club vendor.

Why I see that this is going out of hand because (coming as a moderator for another car forum):
- Questioning the seller saying that there can be cheaper means that

If I am an official club vendor, I will be thinking, will I be subjected to the same thing. I.e. I sell BMW parts at my shop for RM500 but someone else here can bring it in cheaper via group buy because the person doesn't have overhead costs and have to keep stock. I have been through the exact same scenario and because of this whole incident, the vendor didn't bother renewing his fee for the club and bad blood between the club and the vendor started.

Frankly I am new to the BMW world, if the first few items I see online which is fantastic or great, I have the impulse to buy it and perhaps even share it with friends. It may not be the cheapest nor may I know where are the other sources to purchase these items. Because if everyone knew where to buy these items direct, then why would these shops exists? Another example is when an iPhone is launched. Malaysia gets the stock late but people who bring it in will charge a premium for the phone to be one of the first owner and have bragging rights. If there is a willing seller and willing buyer why not? I would rather get something, pay a bit more to have it personally delivered to me, rather than me wanting to buy something from China, go all the way to KLIA Customs, nego with the guy telling what the crap this is and try to avoid paying tax.

There are many countless ways to go about this. I just feel that both have good intentions, and everyone wants to share but there are better ways to go about it rather than putting someone in the spotlight. Remember, by putting someone in the spotlight, you yourself is also thrown into that same scenario.

 

[tIANcI]

My two cent,
BMW Club Malaysia is like a club house.
CM are elected to watch over the club house.
OM are the club house members.
CG are just that, guest invited to try out the club house hoping that they will join as members and thus contribute to the well being of the club house.

The last few months, we have CG coming in complaining about the club house and how the CM doing their job. Using the club house as platform to organise activity. Of course there will OM who might be unhappy. How would you feel if your club house guest come and utilise your club house without contributing a single cent and still want to complain about the club house or the CM or the OM.

And then the chicken and egg story, If the CM do this and if the CM do that, I would have joined to become OM. Come on! Just join and participate in the CM election, in fact why not join and become the CM and show the rest of the OM how a CM should act, behave, react and respond! Leadership by example, and it only cost you RM300. Be OM today, contribute to the beautiful club house of us named BMWCM and make it better.

This is totally OFF TOPIC. Also, forum and club is a different thing. Forum entry is FREE. Please read the rules. All forumers are bound by rules for the forum. CG dun get involved with club rules but some CM do miss that and send CG warning using BMW Club letterhead.

When CGs organise events it includes a lot of OMs. So if you feel, CG should not bermaharajalela in here then stop talking and organise events also for OMs. Remember, CG initiated events involves quite a number of OMs. You can check the attendance for the drives etc.

As for the RM300, please la, that sad argument been used before and those who used it were all so happy to come for CG initiated outings. Hypocrites right?

Next time want to hantam, please think twice la. Dun just taroh only.

 

[wingzee]

Sixpotters, crux of the issue got nothing do with CM joining as OM or whatsoever. Discussions on this was done previously on another thread.

Part of CMs responsibilities is to watch over, moderate posts and protecting the interest of members but that does not mean they are above the forum rules and guidelines which are applicable EVERYONE, not just CGs & OMs.

 

[XXX]

...but in this case, Herbert I think u went abit too far ...if a person is smart enough to make money by providing his services or time bcos he got lobang...then let it be ...after all it is the onus of the buyer to know whether its cheap or not..if cheap then buy if he thinks its expensive then don't buy...i don't think this is tantamount to cheating...but if the buyer later finds out that it was marked up by 200%....it will just give the seller a bad name.

 

[dark1234]

bro or sis sixpotter,

i think this discussion is nothing about OM or NON OM, please put relevant input in context. if its OM or non OM issue , does that mean OM kena tembank non OM will not kena. this issue i see its between the 2 person here each has its narrative on their action. since i have nothing better to say or nothing constructive, i will keep my mouth shut.

but then again i always see your type of comment during argument in forum on asking CG to be OM so its not just you i guess when you join as OM you want other to join as well .

My two cent,
BMW Club Malaysia is like a club house.
CM are elected to watch over the club house.
OM are the club house members.
CG are just that, guest invited to try out the club house hoping that they will join as members and thus contribute to the well being of the club house.

The last few months, we have CG coming in complaining about the club house and how the CM doing their job. Using the club house as platform to organise activity. Of course there will OM who might be unhappy. How would you feel if your club house guest come and utilise your club house without contributing a single cent and still want to complain about the club house or the CM or the OM.

And then the chicken and egg story, If the CM do this and if the CM do that, I would have joined to become OM. Come on! Just join and participate in the CM election, in fact why not join and become the CM and show the rest of the OM how a CM should act, behave, react and respond! Leadership by example, and it only cost you RM300. Be OM today, contribute to the beautiful club house of us named BMWCM and make it better.

 

[ICEMAN 68]

Too add on buying from an OM is rather safer and case if any problem we can deal it accordingly .. If price is high or not it all depends on that individual buyer to ponder and decide and wingzee if just putting a price tag on his item..

Sometimes buyers will nego or even expect items to be delivered at their doorstep etc etc ..So not all times sellers make big bucks too..

Some items bought here are also being sold in mudah to fetch a hefty profit too.. But what to do as mudah have more audience then here ..

If every since item is sold here by OM and being checked tirely then all OM selling thread must be scruntenizred too OR post shall be viewed by CM and then only appear as a post ..

 

[sixpotters]

I may or may not be off topic,
This thread is also littered with CG coming in stealing punches on CM and OM. some mentioned about reason not joining OM. Hence my posting.
I mention its my two cent, my personal opinion.

I do agree its between two individual, should have, would have better handled.

feel free to hentam.

 

[tIANcI]

I may or may not be off topic,
This thread is also littered with CG coming in stealing punches on CM and OM. some mentioned about reason not joining OM. Hence my posting.
I mention its my two cent, my personal opinion.

I do agree its between two individual, should have, would have better handled.

feel free to hentam.

Come ... Buy you sirap longan la. Very nice one.

 

[XXX]

As for the RM300, please la, that sad argument been used before and those who used it were all so happy to come for CG initiated outings. Hypocrites right?

Next time want to hantam, please think twice la. Dun just taroh only.

Sorry of topic ya..

So does that make u a bigger Hypocrite for joining an event organised by an OM...the problem with u is you talk kok a lot but never sing song...:wink:

 

[tIANcI]

Sorry of topic ya..

So does that make u a bigger Hypocrite for joining an event organised by an OM...the problem with u is you talk kok a lot but never sing song...:wink:

Please state exactly which one and when? I need to know clearly before I reply. Sometimes, people need to speak with clarity and not vaguely la.

ps Herbert ... I can accuse people of talking kok now right? I guess its a sanctioned term.