323i with iDrive or 320d

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Spaceman;569922 said:
I just dont like DIESEL. Wait, since DIESEL is so 'good' why dont Supercars and our M3 V8 run on DIESEL? Something is missing there rite? Or simply put, 'this is a cheaper way to buy the feel of powoah'?

Right now I own 4 diesels in my company, and all in all we've gone through maybe 10-12 units. In my line of work, we go into rural and off-road situations, and only a tough, torquey diesel gives a sense of security in those situations. So I'm not a diesel-hater: I love diesels, but just not in my own sporty ride. But if the 6-potter bi-turbos arrive, I would certainly have a look.

Perhaps it's not diesel that we don't like, just the way it's been shouted that the 320d is better than other 3s. :sleep: This used to be a forum that celebrates all BMW models.
 
B33mEr;569931 said:
Good point bro but there are times when you won't always be in the power band (i'm assuming 5k to 7k rpm) especially when you're braking and cornering where the the diesel will have more torque from 2500rpm all the way to 4500 rpm :D Plus it will shift to a higher gear once it hit 4k-5k rpm while you're still stuck at 3rd gear climbing to 7k. Hence that's why, in my opinion, on twisty roads the 320d can keep up easily with the 325i.

Like i said before the 320d can certainly make it very hard for a 325i in a twisty road but come highways or in higher gears i.e. 4th and 5th that's when a higher engine speed will win the day :D

I've had a friendly encounter with both cars and the 320d certainly left a good impression on me more than the 325i. With a remap or chipped a 177hp 320d can certainly be bump up to 215hp that is certainly very attractive.

scenario - approaching a corner at 3rd gear 6000 rpm brake n shift to 2nd gear hence the speed is reduced but the rpm is maintain....feather the throttle during the corner n floor to 7k rpm then switch to 3rd gear...

i dont see any of the time my car will be out of the power band unlike the diesel...where the power band is soo narrow that u had to work on the gear shift more often hence losing few seconds....

and pls dont mix power (HP) with torque (Nm)...cos with the diesel the peak torque is at 2500-3000 and start to dip very low after 3k rpm...together with the HP, so when you shift to higher gear, the torque will be useless cos the HP is gone....this is the same scenario what jeremy clarkson encountered when he raced with the petrol...at the corner...even if he floored the car...there is no torque to pull it...cos the HP is gone...

just check the HP-Torque equation and you'll know how these two related.


u can put all the data on the table and compare numbers...but they are just numbers...look at the performance curve and see how the peak power dip on the diesel car..then u know who will win....

a s204 learnt his lesson when my humble 325sport smoked him when we had a race on npe from bangsar to sunway. it is not because my car is more powerful...but because the s204 driver is always in the wrong gear...struggling.......i guess since its a manual only a handful of person know how to rev match in a light speed especially on a spirited driving...it will be a different story if we had a straight line drag on MEX highway..my guess is..the 325 will be smoked by few hundred meters:eek:
 
i think it's time to settle this once n for all with a 325i v 320d sprint out!! Any volunteers? kekeke... i can represent 325i if race in Penang :)
 
Sorry glock_8 I didn't want to jump into this but let me point out that the torque curve on the N47 (320d engine) shows more than 250Nm torque from roughly 1300rpm to almost 5000rpm so in short, the 320d will have more torque than the 325i at almost any engine speed below 5000rpm. The 325i will rule on the highways.

After trying both many times, I still believe what B33mEr says, in the twisties the 320d can easily keep up with the 325i.

http://bit.ly/d5e3HK
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So let's race! :D
 
gameover;570026 said:
Sorry glock_8 I didn't want to jump into this but let me point out that the torque curve on the N47 (320d engine) shows more than 250Nm torque from roughly 1300rpm to almost 5000rpm so in short, the 320d will have more torque than the 325i at almost any engine speed below 5000rpm. The 325i will rule on the highways.

After trying both many times, I still believe what B33mEr says, in the twisties the 320d can easily keep up with the 325i.

http://bit.ly/d5e3HK
http://bit.ly/d84gtA

So let's race! :D

Thank you gameover( Farul) for volunteering to represent us 320d folks...(I am not a very good driver yet). We will get Scwhepps to versus u on a designated road soon. End this debate once and for all.:top: Kluang run? But I hear its hard to get him out...a bit of a loner.
 
Racing to prove whose car is faster (and comparing di*ks) is for kids with acne. What makes you think I would even remotely be interested in such a childish pursuit? :stupid:
 
Schwepps;570060 said:
Racing to prove whose car is faster (and comparing di*ks) is for kids with acne. What makes you think I would even remotely be interested in such a childish pursuit? :stupid:

It's like tat one when you talk to kids la...boy boy..:rofl:
 
Well, to each his own.

I have met numerous enthusiasts during BMW Innovation Days and certainly there are plenty of opinions out there, and the bottom line certainly boils down to personal preference. Met a nice lady (60 years young) that came with her two daughters, after the test drive she personally prefer the 323i, compared to the 320d. I told her with the 320d, she could easily save 30-40% of the fuel bills and a great car to drive around town. Well, she said she likes the inline 6 cylinder engine and the I-drive, as for the 30-40% fuel savings, she said its fine as it tranlates to only a few hundred ringgit a month. So there you go....

As for the performance, some of us have tested both the 325 and 320D to the max on the MEX highway. Well, it's a pretty close match all the way to twice the legal speed limit with both cars remained at similar gap.

Everyone take a chill pill la, to each his own. I could have bought a new 320d or a pre-reg 323i, but prefer to buy a 7 year old car instead that has higher insurance, roadtax and probably twice the maintenance cost, because that's what I love to drive and same goes for everyone here!!:top:

Cheers
 
There's a nice video in the '3-er vs Passat vs C-Class' thread where Jeremy Clarkson races the Stig in a diesel E60 and a petrol one..
 
B33mEr;569813 said:
Define the word "keep up" pls :D

On a race track diesel have been proven to be able to keep up if not beat their petrol brethren, if you want proof kindly look at WTCC where the diesels have been winning races and even winning a championship for two consecutive years in the driver titles.

On twisty roads like ulu yam the 320d can give a very hard time to a 325i, ... and 390NM of torque the E9X chassis can certainly handle it if not BMW wouldn't even dream of releasing it to the public.

keep up... as in these FI cars are not able to pull away easily arnd SIC... boy i was shocked as well.
these car's r superior in the back n front straights and turn 9 up-hill due to massive torque n hp advantage.
once u hit turn 2 & 3, a superior handling car can close e gap n close up w these high powered FI cars until the back straights again.

of course i'm only referring to SIC design n the fact tt a 325 is able to remain in zone in most of the bends n corners. i played w a FD2R who took 2 laps to overtake me in e front straights n thereafter i was behind him for the rest of the laps.
wen we pitted he came over to say hi n asked abt my car setup, i said KW V3's and 19"s PS2 and lastly i showed him e BMW logo :rock: n i dink my power box helped me bit bit lar...
also managed to pull away from RX8 manuals and manage to keep up w stock GTI, STI, RX7 and Evo7. (Evo X, just too fast somehow )

A 325i w right suspension n tire setup is able to WOT n flat out on most of the bends in SIC.
thus being in max torque n high rev range (ie 4.5k n above) on most area's arnd the track, dat's e only advantage.
whereas other FI monster have to content w throttle control & torque steer, traction problem, etc.
however in e hands of a very skilled driver, they will eat 325 for breakie, lunch n dinner.
i've also driven n been on track on EVO's n STI and understand how fast these car's r w e right driver.
but my related experience is with the typical Joe, in which most of the owner r anyway.

lastly bmw's r really boring on track if u dun turn on DTC but rev limiter is big turn off.
does not allow u to over rev n also downshift ie engine braking so u need to work e shifters hard.
so if u drive all out den its mostly above 4.5k most of e time n hard braking.
but w DSC off, walaueh... u need to be at least jeremy clarkson to drive it arnd e track... scary... dun try if not trained.

on twisty roads like uluyam, it's a matter of who's B!@#s is bigger.. make sense ahaha.
i think btwn a 325i n 320d, there really isnt much difference in terms of specs so skill wld come to play.
also 320d comes in 17"s n 325i in 18's, makes a difference in acceleration(320d) n also handling(325i).

pls dun ask me to race.. i have got nuthing to prove n i dun have BIG B!@#s coz i empty them often

lastly i lurve BMW's... :love: in all guises, models n specs.... "FR w BMW handling dymanics... drifting away in cloud 9".........................
 
B33mEr;569934 said:
Simply because it's not sexy :D

Also don't be surprise if bmw do release an ///M dieseled car in the future they did after all made an ///M version of X5 and X6 lol

OMG NOOOOOOO...... not a diesled M/// ahaha...

i think to put things in to perspective, if its a petrol bi-turbo.. i want it real bad.
but if it's a diesel bi-turbo den nuff said... dat's y i juz lurve e 335 coz m3 like too far within my reach
 
whiteknight88;570016 said:
i think it's time to settle this once n for all with a 325i v 320d sprint out!! Any volunteers? kekeke... i can represent 325i if race in Penang :)

ahaha.. race in tanjung bunggah w DSC turned off...
 
zhul;569958 said:
For now, low revving diesel is not considered sporty enough for the M cars. But this may change later. They are already using turbos in the X5M and X6M and even Porsche is having a diesel now.

case in point... TURBO yes... DIESEL probably not... don't be confused
 
e60FANster;570247 said:
pls dun ask me to race.. i have got nuthing to prove n i dun have BIG B!@#s coz i empty them often

Hahahaha! Nice one! :rofl:

The point is you've been there and done that, and aren't talking from an armchair, right?
 
ALBundy;570076 said:
Well, to each his own.


Cheers

No lar... 320d better ahahaha... but well said, neck to neck is abt rite
btw can intro me to 60 yr young aunty ah.. i need a e92 badly
 
Schwepps;570264 said:
Hahahaha! Nice one! :rofl:

The point is you've been there and done that, and aren't talking from an armchair, right?

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i dink i proved too much to myself or rather i enjoyed e car so much i forgot abt my poor tires.
i'm going to feel e pinch wen i change tires later dis yr, can i start a charity box please pretty please
 
Hi bros, dont racelah. at d end noone will win but police or workshop will make money hehe. For me I go for practicality. 320d suites me coz 90% I drive below120km. crusing hiway 150km. once a while ony tekan to 200 but not more than that. Hw fast on d hiway we can go??? n for how long???? In race tract 325 can win lah.,..mayb by a little. For me the fuel saving of 800pmth is big wellcome coz i m not that rich. can go 4 gd holiday end of yr hehe. in uk 320d is the best seller.....wonder why? price is the same as 325 over there.
 
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