ECU re-mapping/program vs Piggyback Chip

[ALBundy]

Ah Bundy! Better sell you 318is and buy Ferrari... why mod?

Aiya brudder, different strokes for different folks. Economically not feasible to mod a double vanos E39. By the time a stroker kit is installed with cams, software and etc, Jerman would be better off with a 530i.

Price difference between a 523i and 530i arent as great as to say a 318is to any Ferrari la, what tokking you? But if I were to get a super car, a Porsche is the best bet!

 

[funfer_fahrer]

Jerman, for you aaa..just for you only, you know - I think it best for you to get the E60 2003 model M54 Engine 530i (WITH DIPSTICK, OF COURSE). Don't worry too much about the shape because you can't look at your car while you're driving.

 

[Calvin Tan]

Aiya brudder, different strokes for different folks. Economically not feasible to mod a double vanos E39. By the time a stroker kit is installed with cams, software and etc, Jerman would be better off with a 530i.

Price difference between a 523i and 530i arent as great as to say a 318is to any Ferrari la, what tokking you? But if I were to get a super car, a Porsche is the best bet!

Say if you sell the 523i and get a 530i, the money lost from the resell value and bank interest and the balance of the HP? The road tax different. Don't you ever think of that? I saw you keep asking people to sell their cars and stop modifying. What about yourself? When are you going to stop modify and get yourself a real car that doesn't need modifying?

 

[Jerman]

Albundy,Funfer,Bailey,

I just love all of you guys. I just posted an innocent topic ie ECU re-mapping vs Piggyback chip and...........I ended up "changing a car"???

Thanks guys!

p/s: Calvin got a point............even those Evo/Subaru owners with their powerful machines still do mods, mah?
In today's world, there is never enough, yes?

 

[Zoggee]

Go get advise from Calvin Tan,there's lot more for you to know about it.

Or ask the more senior forumer..the Botak.! Ask where he send his E30M3 to....that workshop has done a lot of modding on BMWs. They knoe best..trust me.

But Power doesnt come cheap...

As the anwer for your question....just go Re-mapping.

 

[feisaldzul]

i am still interested to know how with ECU remapping it will consider all the mods that u we have done to the car?

is it the case that when u do ECU remapping...its done on a dyno?

where is the remapping info coming from? if its just upload and download then wouldnt it be different for different cars with different mods?

 

[Zoggee]

i am still interested to know how with ECU remapping it will consider all the mods that u we have done to the car?

is it the case that when u do ECU remapping...its done on a dyno?

where is the remapping info coming from? if its just upload and download then wouldnt it be different for different cars with different mods?

Feizaldzul,

You shud go for a dyno before re mapping ur ecu. Then you'll get to know the powergain from remapping ur ecu..that if your engine is running healthy.

Or get advise from the installer of your mechanical mods.

 

[Jerman]

i am still interested to know how with ECU remapping it will consider all the mods that u we have done to the car?

is it the case that when u do ECU remapping...its done on a dyno?

where is the remapping info coming from? if its just upload and download then wouldnt it be different for different cars with different mods?

feisaldzul,
I picked up this topic from BMW Singapore, a very happy 5 series owner after his ECU re-mapping. Read it here, very compelling, bro

http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/engine-performance-transmission-section/14675-dyno-results-bvos-ecu-flash-programme.html

p/s: there are other interesting stuff too related to this topic in the bmw-sg.com

 

[ALBundy]

Say if you sell the 523i and get a 530i, the money lost from the resell value and bank interest and the balance of the HP? The road tax different. Don't you ever think of that? I saw you keep asking people to sell their cars and stop modifying. What about yourself? When are you going to stop modify and get yourself a real car that doesn't need modifying?

What's the price difference between a 523i and a 530i (similar year?)? To me its just not worth to spend a couple of thousand dollars and gain a few hp unless the owner has done enough mods to the car in order to benefit from a chip upgrade. Something like a stroker kit or supercharger unit.

523i roadtax about RM780, 530i about Rm1680, what is RM900 per year?

Everyone has their own priorities on whether to mod or not mod their cars, buy a high performance vehicle or not. Likewise, we all know why you mod your cars. And I supposed your M3 is already a real car, so why it still needs to be modded?????

I am not against modding, but then again I am also realistic when it comes to modding. What I am trying to stress here is the cost of hp vs RM spent. In my case, I turbo'ed it because 1) i want to experience what turbo charging is all about and 2) cost wise its more effective than to do an engine conversion. Do I have any regrets of not getting a M3? Honestly no, forced induction cars are more interesting to drive when the boost kicks in and hp gains are pretty simple to achieve compared to NA cars.

And I am here to give advice based on my experience, nothing personal against anyone. I have seen double-vanos cars which only gained 4hp at the wheel after chipping and the installer admitted the gains on M52TU and M54 engines are pretty limited. And thats my advice to Jerman as a friend, not as a trader. And if he is driving a single vanos unit, he should go for a chip, thats what I have told him during Hari Raya.

 

[ALBundy]

i am still interested to know how with ECU remapping it will consider all the mods that u we have done to the car?

is it the case that when u do ECU remapping...its done on a dyno?

where is the remapping info coming from? if its just upload and download then wouldnt it be different for different cars with different mods?

So far the best chip that offers the best results are those by Jim Conforti, but unfortunately he doesnt have much to offer for those cars equipped with Siemen ECUs. You could see the various chips he has made to cater for each particular mod, ie; lighten flywheel, cams, open pod intake and etc.

If you get a chip locally, the chip is only meant for un-mod vehicles. Some say, you could dyno it and then send the dyno chart to the programmer to customise it for you, but let's not forget what's shown on the dyno chart is WOT (Wide Open Throttle) results. Partial throttle openings are not shown and most of the time, we drive with the throttle partially open.

 

[Jerman]

And I am here to give advice based on my experience, nothing personal against anyone. I have seen double-vanos cars which only gained 4hp at the wheel after chipping and the installer admitted the gains on M52TU and M54 engines are pretty limited. And thats my advice to Jerman as a friend, not as a trader. And if he is driving a single vanos unit, he should go for a chip, thats what I have told him during Hari Raya.

AlBundy,
Yes sir, I remember! Thanks for the summary!

 

[Calvin Tan]

What's the price difference between a 523i and a 530i (similar year?)? To me its just not worth to spend a couple of thousand dollars and gain a few hp unless the owner has done enough mods to the car in order to benefit from a chip upgrade. Something like a stroker kit or supercharger unit.

523i roadtax about RM780, 530i about Rm1680, what is RM900 per year?

Everyone has their own priorities on whether to mod or not mod their cars, buy a high performance vehicle or not. Likewise, we all know why you mod your cars. And I supposed your M3 is already a real car, so why it still needs to be modded?????

I am not against modding, but then again I am also realistic when it comes to modding. What I am trying to stress here is the cost of hp vs RM spent. In my case, I turbo'ed it because 1) i want to experience what turbo charging is all about and 2) cost wise its more effective than to do an engine conversion. Do I have any regrets of not getting a M3? Honestly no, forced induction cars are more interesting to drive when the boost kicks in and hp gains are pretty simple to achieve compared to NA cars.

And I am here to give advice based on my experience, nothing personal against anyone. I have seen double-vanos cars which only gained 4hp at the wheel after chipping and the installer admitted the gains on M52TU and M54 engines are pretty limited. And thats my advice to Jerman as a friend, not as a trader. And if he is driving a single vanos unit, he should go for a chip, thats what I have told him during Hari Raya.

Because I’m not the one who ask people not to mod or go sell their car.

P.S And this thread is about ECU re-mapping vs Piggy-back, we as a member should help and answer the pros and cons between ECU re-mapping vs Piggy-back.

 

[XXX]

Unker Jerman

Simple solution..How much you got in the bank?..if enough, go visit Sapura Auto if not enough go visit calvin Tan...kekekkekekekk...C U this Sunday.

 

[3er]

So far the best chip that offers the best results are those by Jim Conforti, but unfortunately he doesnt have much to offer for those cars equipped with Siemen ECUs. You could see the various chips he has made to cater for each particular mod, ie; lighten flywheel, cams, open pod intake and etc.

If you get a chip locally, the chip is only meant for un-mod vehicles. Some say, you could dyno it and then send the dyno chart to the programmer to customise it for you, but let's not forget what's shown on the dyno chart is WOT (Wide Open Throttle) results. Partial throttle openings are not shown and most of the time, we drive with the throttle partially open.

Correct there, Al. I brought a "Shark" chip in during the 90's and it didnt work on the Green Hornet (CKD '95 E36 325i). I spoke to JimC himself and he was nice enough to take it back minus shipping of course. But yes, he did warn me before that his chip was for the NA market and he cant guarantee that it will work on mine. I took the risk. In the end i went for Superchip.

 

[ALBundy]

Because I’m not the one who ask people not to mod or go sell their car.

P.S And this thread is about ECU re-mapping vs Piggy-back, we as a member should help and answer the pros and cons between ECU re-mapping vs Piggy-back.

 

[fabianyee]

I opted for PerfectPower's SMT6 piggyback ECU for my OBD 1 M42B18.
With the SMT6, I can tune it myself without going to the tuners.

I retuned it few days ago a week after doing some exhaust mod. Fuel consumption was bad after the exhaust change. So I decided to play with the fuel and ignition settings after so long leaving the SMT6 untouched. Voila, the low end torque is actually better now and the fuel consumption so far seem to be better too but can't say for sure until I fill up the next time. I actually reduced the fuel for the low end and at the same time retard the ignition timing. the combination of both changes gave me better response and seemingly better consumption..

FYI, I installed the SMT6 the DIY way. Had a small issue initially with the crank sensor signal. it needed more cranks than usual with the piggyback installed. However, I added something to circumvent the problem.

 

[pussy]

unker jerman..

so you have both sides of the story.. mapping is good, once and for all but if you mod further, then you need to spend $$$ to match.

where else piggy-back, you can keep changing the parameters of the mapping everytime..

on my experince, dumping in stroker kit is a very expensive affair.. 1hp=RM200 ratio.

if want more power for NA,suggest buy a 528 0r a 530

want to keep your car, add a supercharger is a better bet..

my 2 Yuan.

 

[Alvin]

Only a small kid will compare a 318i to a ferrari.
Value for money, is of course whatever the owner feels comfortable with. I had a 523i b4 n i dont thk its worth chipping at all. 1st decide what kinda power u looking at achieving n what kinda budget you r willing to spend. Then easier 2 decide. If its power u want, then i propose either a stroker kits, SC or chg the car to 530i.
The workshop in Jln Ipoh is pretty experience with stroker kit n good thing is they provide warranty. If you need help, can PM me & i can join u to talk ith them.
If wanna chat more, we can always arrange for TT to chat more on your options. As for chips there are many tuners out there that claims a lot. Point is with such a small increase, u will not feel the gains after 2 mths. I'm free these days for modding. I love to mod. Its the pains that we go through that makes it all worth it.

 

[Calvin Tan]

Only a small kid will compare a 318i to a ferrari.
Value for money, is of course whatever the owner feels comfortable with. I had a 523i b4 n i dont thk its worth chipping at all. 1st decide what kinda power u looking at achieving n what kinda budget you r willing to spend. Then easier 2 decide. If its power u want, then i propose either a stroker kits, SC or chg the car to 530i.
The workshop in Jln Ipoh is pretty experience with stroker kit n good thing is they provide warranty. If you need help, can PM me & i can join u to talk ith them.
If wanna chat more, we can always arrange for TT to chat more on your options. As for chips there are many tuners out there that claims a lot. Point is with such a small increase, u will not feel the gains after 2 mths. I'm free these days for modding. I love to mod. Its the pains that we go through that makes it all worth it.

Sorry I didn't know that you are so dumb. The comaprison is just an example to make people like you to understand easier. Sorry I should have make the comparison more easier...my bad

 

[Alvin]

Calvin

Ya i'm a bit dumb. Didnt study much. Just shows how smart a person u are. Cheers to u mate.