Con Case again by forumer Solivate

[wuzzles]

Just my 2 cents (and I'll try not to influence or lobby the outcome):
IMHO, what you have here is a tool (the forum) with no clear objective. OR maybe there is, just not clearly communicated. Hence a lot of wide opinion what actually the forums is for.

Without clear objectives, any decisions made will be made not based on the best interest of the objective but trying to balance the pros and cons.... or worst, a bunch on compromises. In my line of work, I've (unfortunately) see companies invest millions of dollars/pounds/riggit without real hard objectives. And then it becomes a white elepant IF you are lucky. IF you are not, it becomes a nightmare, some times even turning around and biting you back.

Like the famouse mis-quote from Alice in Wonderland "If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there."

You may have a lot of objectives or a few... the more objective you have, the harder it is to control and you introduce more complexity which you'll have to manage. So it is for the CM to decide how much is too much, it's a balance. Then make decisions for actions to deliver those objectives. At least any decision you make then is justifable (i hope) to the objective.

Personally, I think this is beyond the con case scenarios. Even if you had 0 incidences of concase, you still wont answer some of the concerns shared in the last 5 pages.

Anyway, I wish the CM all the best and hope my 2 sens above helps the decision making process. Cheers!

 

[huskar3399]

Just my 2 cents (and I'll try not to influence or lobby the outcome):
IMHO, what you have here is a tool (the forum) with no clear objective. OR maybe there is, just not clearly communicated. Hence a lot of wide opinion what actually the forums is for.

Without clear objectives, any decisions made will be made not based on the best interest of the objective but trying to balance the pros and cons.... or worst, a bunch on compromises. In my line of work, I've (unfortunately) see companies invest millions of dollars/pounds/riggit without real hard objectives. And then it becomes a white elepant IF you are lucky. IF you are not, it becomes a nightmare, some times even turning around and biting you back.

Like the famouse mis-quote from Alice in Wonderland "If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there."

You may have a lot of objectives or a few... the more objective you have, the harder it is to control and you introduce more complexity which you'll have to manage. So it is for the CM to decide how much is too much, it's a balance. Then make decisions for actions to deliver those objectives. At least any decision you make then is justifable (i hope) to the objective.

Personally, I think this is beyond the con case scenarios. Even if you had 0 incidences of concase, you still wont answer some of the concerns shared in the last 5 pages.

Anyway, I wish the CM all the best and hope my 2 sens above helps the decision making process. Cheers!

I dont know before that u like to watch alice in wonderland. Hehe. No offence bro. LoL

 

[jarance]

I think the 25 post counts have been implement to deter newbie from coming into this forum to sell their ware.
It have make the job of the moderator of the this forum to delete or moderate their post when their intention is the sole
purpose of selling.

The forum allows CG and OM to sell or buy bmw or related items in the classified for free. In return, the forum ask for in
return via contribution via useful postings.

In the classified, ample warnings have been given to Buyer and Seller. It a willing seller and buyer arrangement. The forum
only provided this facility to trade. Deal have known to turn sour whether here in the forum or other online forum like lelong, mudah,
ebay, lowyatt etc etc.

So be careful before you part with your money. Try to deal in COD to avoid getting a raw deal.

As for me, I have bought a good many things from OM and CG but I will NOT deal with people whom I have not meet personally.

To the committees, no matter what sort of countermeasure that will be implement, there will always be a conman out there
that will try to outsmart the system. The system that have in been in place is adequate and have serve us well for many years.

We should not implement "knee jerk" measures just because the buyer do not heed the warning posted in the forum.
(That also goes for the seller where they complained that the buyer also cheated them.)

So buyer beware. The information are posted up in the forum. DO read them.

As a reminder to all, please read the following threads.
http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/foru...mp-Regulations&p=647944&viewfull=1#post647944

 

[berserkdroid]

I think its been brought up before, but andypoh has a few other nicks (apart from solivate & fastbm) lying dormant. When the heat increases, he ditches the hot potato nick and launches the sleeper one, and the cycle repeats itself.

Committee, please check. If you need more assistance let me know and i'll be glad to help in any way i can.

 

[NKTOB]

Did someone mentioned andypoh?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=542040&highlight=andypoh

 

[ezzo369]

Did someone mentioned andypoh?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=542040&highlight=andypoh

he's making a 'big name' in usa haha..
as what most of us said here, limited access for the CG is required or else this forum will have lots of conman. No entry for the classifieds, no thread starter, no pm service; and more to be applied for anonymous viewer (no members meet up etc etc). hopefully there's improvement on this terms. just my few cents

 

[huskar3399]

Did someone mentioned andypoh?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=542040&highlight=andypoh

hahaha ricer! deng.

 

[ramsing]

unker XXX, good idea. like that we make the OM section of the forum the official BMW club Malaysia section, where tight rule is imposed. Then all OMs can hang out there and share creative ideas and good comments on why BMW is better than Proton etc.

The rest of the forum we make it into un-offical BMW club malaysia. where both OM and CG can play and talk and sing song. then everyone is happy. so if someone cheats in the OM section, we go to his house and burn his bulu. coz OM section mar.

I think some of u dont really understand where some of the OM's are coming from, that its not
abt the forum having traffic or not its about should the club and its members be contributing to run this forum for the benefit of the CG's. What some are trying to say is does the club need this forum to be a club. So at the end of the day got traffic no traffic its the forum that dies but the club still can go on... Bcos the forum is not
the club...But the om's can still use the forum as a form of communication with the club and its members...without the need of having outsiders.

... But i also do agree to a certain extend that we also need the forum to fish for new members... So at the end of the day its how we can come to that solution where evrybody is happy and the Club does not loose out.

 

[zhul]

Did someone mentioned andypoh?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=542040&highlight=andypoh

LOL.... Wow rarely see anyone kena whack like that in BMW forums. Awesomely funny :24:

First time hearing the term 'ricer' labeled at someone's 'M3'

 

[haywire]

Did someone mentioned andypoh?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=542040&highlight=andypoh

Oh yes baby!

 

[shiva73]

Dear Committee member and CM.. although i m just a CG , please allow me to speak my mind and heart.

As i was reading the comments on restricting the access level to the CG , I feel it’s more like a short cut to curb a now and then issue , which most genuine CG will be effected . whereby the conman will keep invading other forums once banned from BMWCM.
I myself as a CG feels homely when I can go all round in the forum without any restriction , and having such a privilege I wouldn’t want to spoil it by conning someone over here , be it CM or CG .

Truthfully , I read a lot here and gained massive information from this forum and it’s just incomparable to any other information available outside there. Beside gaining information about our beloved car , I also learnt how conman operates from few alert by the members/guest .

One situation I would like to share : there was gentlemen who was trying to sell a spark plug all over the forum . His advert was like all over the forum in most sections bragging about this spark that boost the hp. I think u guys remember that .I was interested and divert it to PM. He replied me there and I was ready to make a deal , when suddenly I noticed he didn’t answer the technical question asked by the forumers. That’s where I saw the fish flapping the tail and I stopped. He was haunting me in the PM and even offered massive discount, but I ignored him . He gave up eventually.

The moral : As long as there are people who are vulnerable and make deal without backup , there will be a lots of conman’s preying for easy targets.
Being in this forum , although we are CG , we feel that we have a family to share our goodies . If you opt to restrict the access, we will feel being isolated from the fun .
Again , this thread started came here to share his bad experience and alert other members for not being conned. He is a CG , yet he still warned everyone with noble intention , but I don’t see him asking compensation from the club or complaining about the support from the club .
Some , irresponsible fellow had made a blunder here , making our club forum as his playground . Its happening now and then , here and everywhere . I would suggest for a pop-up every time a forumer register highlighting on the risk of making transaction to a unknown person. Further to that , if he still takes the plunge , it’s not the forum’s or the committee’s mistake.

Just 2 cents idea.

Don’t shoot me please , but i promise i will roll in by this year.

 

[Apiz]

Did someone mentioned andypoh?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=542040&highlight=andypoh

Who order a bowl of rice?

 

[dzuljazz2001]

The moral : As long as there are people who are vulnerable and make deal without backup , there will be a lots of conman’s preying for easy targets.
Being in this forum , although we are CG , we feel that we have a family to share our goodies . If you opt to restrict the access, we will feel being isolated from the fun .
Again , this thread started came here to share his bad experience and alert other members for not being conned. He is a CG , yet he still warned everyone with noble intention , but I don’t see him asking compensation from the club or complaining about the support from the club .
Some , irresponsible fellow had made a blunder here , making our club forum as his playground . Its happening now and then , here and everywhere . I would suggest for a pop-up every time a forumer register highlighting on the risk of making transaction to a unknown person. Further to that , if he still takes the plunge , it’s not the forum’s or the committee’s mistake.
Just 2 cents idea.
Don’t shoot me please , but i promise i will roll in by this year.

Thanks for the feedback bro.
We, the CM appreciate each and every feedback in which we are compiling for an in-depth discussion soonest.
Prior to this issue arising, we had discuss this (selling and buying of items) in the forum thingy at length during our last sitting and plenty of ideas were mooted then, pop-up included. PUs not only for reminders, disclaimers and etc, but a whole lot of everything, to ensure that the forum and its usage are well in control.
There is so much we must do to rid off these type of people (especially people with ill-intent) and feedbacks from OMs and CGs alike, will always be welcome, for us to continously improve to make the forum beneficial to ALL in a positive, fruitful and safe enviroment.
Constructive feedbacks and criticism will definilty be good for us to dwell into it (and improve on the short-comings) and we hope that more and more people (OM/CG) will be actively providing us such feedbacks.

Thanks again all for the feedback and bro shiva, I will be waiting for you to "roll into the club" with much anticipation :4: ....

Cheers.

 

[astroboy]

.. Don’t shoot me please , but i promise i will roll in by this year.

Better roll fast.. half of 2012 almost gone and your RM150 will expire in less than 6-month.. :4: otherwise if u not calculative, the starter pack itself plus all these dramas would have worth more than RM300, bear in mind that annual dinner 2012 has yet to come and many prizes to be won.. fast fast sign up!! :wink:

 

[bmw7833]

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[shiva73]

Thanks for the feedback bro.
Thanks again all for the feedback and bro shiva, I will be waiting for you to "roll into the club" with much anticipation :4: ....

Cheers.

TQVM for the kind words prez.. will definetely walk the talk . cheers

 

[shiva73]

Better roll fast.. half of 2012 almost gone and your RM150 will expire in less than 6-month.. :4: otherwise if u not calculative, the starter pack itself plus all these dramas would have worth more than RM300, bear in mind that annual dinner 2012 has yet to come and many prizes to be won.. fast fast sign up!! :wink:

Roger Roger.. coming in soon . Let me come back from offshore .

 

[berserkdroid]

The idea of having a ranking system is actually a good one. Its worked for ebay over the years, with not much of a change in their system. In this way we can self-police the forum and seriously weed out unscrupulous sellers (and buyers).

All we need to do is install the iTrader ver. 2.8 plugin into the forum software and we should be good to go.

 

[haywire]

The idea of having a ranking system is actually a good one. Its worked for ebay over the years, with not much of a change in their system. In this way we can self-police the forum and seriously weed out unscrupulous sellers (and buyers).

All we need to do is install the iTrader ver. 2.8 plugin into the forum software and we should be good to go.

BMW5 Forums in UK have the same format where you can rate your transaction with the seller.

 

[lamoo]

I drive a BMW but I cannot afford to pay RM 300 and I want free food every time when I am hungry.