Con Case again by forumer Solivate

[BlackCat]

..all this crap going around is rather symptomatic..and i really believe, its time to lock down forum for OM's only, while guests could only observe, but not post anything..seriously..i believe, person who can afford BMW, for sure will be able to afford membership 'expenses'..

+1 on that... been lobbying for that a long time now!

I guess RM350/- there, RM200/- here... and the occasional complaints isn't bubbling up to make this serious enough for a 'lock-down'.

Maybe when more serious shiet happens and the forum gets implicated than eyebrows will raise and more actions implemented to curtail future happenings... or should I say... what would it take to necessitate a forum 'lock-down'?

Owh ya... my sig below says it all.

 

[Herbert]

Dear All,

CM has investigated and confirmed that Solivate is indeed the banned CG Andypoh. Henceforth Solivate is banned from the forum with immediate effect.

Bro Ecco & BlackCat,

CM will discuss your above suggestions during our forthcoming CM meeting this Friday.

Thank you

 

[zhul]

Locking forum postings to OMs only will be an extreme action, it will spoil the general accessibility of BMWCM to all BMW fans, whether they own BMW or not.

The conman problems we are seeing now can be resolved by registering sellers. Put a feedback system so buyers can rate sellers. Also warn newbies of potential danger of dealing with unknown people.

 

[t2ribena]

yes you can put in all the system you suggested but at whose expense? the club right which at the expenses of the OMs while the CG enjoys it for free?

its not going to be a popular decision but i think it is time...

Locking forum postings to OMs only will be an extreme action, it will spoil the general accessibility of BMWCM to all BMW fans, whether they own BMW or not.

The conman problems we are seeing now can be resolved by registering sellers. Put a feedback system so buyers can rate sellers. Also warn newbies of potential danger of dealing with unknown people.

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Thank you all for the positive feedbacks :top:. All points put forth are duly noted and we will deliberate on it this week during our planned monthly meeting to find the best solution to this ever-growing issues. Trust us that we will do whats best for the Club. We will notify the forum once an amicable and sensible soultion has been decided.

Cheers guys and keep it coming :top:.

Locking forum postings to OMs only will be an extreme action, it will spoil the general accessibility of BMWCM to all BMW fans, whether they own BMW or not.

The conman problems we are seeing now can be resolved by registering sellers. Put a feedback system so buyers can rate sellers. Also warn newbies of potential danger of dealing with unknown people.

yes you can put in all the system you suggested but at whose expense? the club right which at the expenses of the OMs while the CG enjoys it for free?

its not going to be a popular decision but i think it is time...

+1 on that... been lobbying for that a long time now!

I guess RM350/- there, RM200/- here... and the occasional complaints isn't bubbling up to make this serious enough for a 'lock-down'.

Maybe when more serious shiet happens and the forum gets implicated than eyebrows will raise and more actions implemented to curtail future happenings... or should I say... what would it take to necessitate a forum 'lock-down'?

Owh ya... my sig below says it all.

..all this crap going around is rather symptomatic..and i really believe, its time to lock down forum for OM's only, while guests could only observe, but not post anything..seriously..i believe, person who can afford BMW, for sure will be able to afford membership 'expenses'..

 

[astroboy]

I don't buy and I don't sell.. no problem what-so-ever.

This is after all not a classified website and there are tons of other classified websites that you can use, why here?!

There's no mechanics in this website for transaction feedback or rate the seller or buyer which makes everyone an easy target to be victimised..

For those who never kena before, that's because not yet and you are lucky up to the last transaction.

Since it's being abuse, close the classified lor. I support!

 

[dzuljazz2001]

I don't buy and I don't sell.. no problem what-so-ever. This is after all not a classified website.. and never intended to be one. Since it's being abuse, close the classified lor. I support!

:listen: ... that was one of the proposed solution bro :4:..... we will decide soon, God willing :top: ..

 

[Chrix]

I guess as a Club Guess my opinions holds no water..but I'll go on anyway while I still can..

Locking forum postings to OMs only will be an extreme action

Exactly.

The problem is not rather the forum is open or closed to payed members only, but the persons involved in the cases.

When you transfer fund to someone there is always a risk of getting conned simply because the goods & cash are not changing hands at the same time. When doing such transactions, shouldnt a person check on the credentials of the seller first?, or perhaps arrange with the seller to meet half way. Or if the item is so desirable, it should merit a trip to the location of the seller, no?

If the seller seems to do all he/she can to not meet face to face & prefers "money-first,goods-later" method.. wouldn't that raise suspicion?

Some motorcyclist are riding around without helmets/license/roadtax and this is a well known issue but you don't see motorbikes being banned off the public roads, right?

i believe, person who can afford BMW, for sure will be able to afford membership 'expenses'..

I have much respect for you Mr Ecc0, but I would like to disagree. Just because a person ownes/drives a BMW does not automatically suggest they are wealthy. I have made much sacrifices to own a Bimmer & the free & open forum is invaluable to me as a source of information & advice from experts such as your selves.

I sincerely hope the forum isn't locked down to paid members only (a certain US paper comes to mind..), it would be a great loss.

Sekian Terima Kasih.
Peace & Love guys! :top: (no homo)

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Thanks for the thought Chrix :top: .....

 

[XXX]

...its like the chicken and egg story...no egg no chicken, no chicken no egg...IMHO all sections to be closed to CG's except BMW Talk, Newbies, Members Meet Up, Vendors Zone and Site Options...the rest can see but cannot post. With only BMW talk open to public it will be easier also to police as this will be the general area for the public to post anything pertaining to BMW.

 

[rx8]

It will b a very boring web site if d forum is only 4 members. I m against d idea totally. CG's contribute a lot of interesting threads that make it worth my while surfing d forum. It is d classifieds that is a concern as chrix rightfully puts. Therefore perhaps this is d area where more control shd b exercised. U dont use d fire brigade 2 put out a bon fire, just like u dont ban all CGs becoz of a few isolated cases involving CGs. Not all CGs r dishonest, n not all OMs r honest. What if these cases had involved OMs ?

 

[Ecc0]

..actually..neva mind ..

 

[haywire]

Out of over 150 or so OM, how many are actually active and posted something daily? Some OM I heard have never even registered on the forum.

This forum could be dead if total ban of CG's are exercised. Also there would not be enough traffic for the Club Vendors to justify them even being here.

If control is desired, just control the Classifieds.

'Nyamuk seekor, kelambu dibakar'. In this case maybe more than one mosquito la...hehehe

 

[dzuljazz2001]

...its like the chicken and egg story...no egg no chicken, no chicken no egg...IMHO all sections to be closed to CG's except BMW Talk, Newbies, Members Meet Up, Vendors Zone and Site Options...the rest can see but cannot post. With only BMW talk open to public it will be easier also to police as this will be the general area for the public to post anything pertaining to BMW.

Food for thought :4: ..... thanks for the open opinion and thoughts bro. We will take this down for further discussion ... :top:

 

[dzuljazz2001]

It will b a very boring web site if d forum is only 4 members. I m against d idea totally. CG's contribute a lot of interesting threads that make it worth my while surfing d forum. It is d classifieds that is a concern as chrix rightfully puts. Therefore perhaps this is d area where more control shd b exercised. U dont use d fire brigade 2 put out a bon fire, just like u dont ban all CGs becoz of a few isolated cases involving CGs. Not all CGs r dishonest, n not all OMs r honest. What if these cases had involved OMs ?

Thanks again for the opinion rx8 :top: ...

Just to clarify, we are not banning CGs mind you but we are just trying our best to have a better control of the forum from such abuse.

Totally agree with you that not All CGs are dishonest and I would not go further than that :4: .... However, the difference between OMs and CGs is that we have full details of all OMs but not the CGs.
Do you know that anyone can easily register under any nick and list down any fictitious details as CG? That done, they can then easily Prey, Hit and Run like no care in the world, and most time we dont know or we cannot even locate them anywhere. Mind you, in this beloved forum of ours, we have CGs not only from Malaysia bro but also from other parts of the world registered here. .. ::4:.

Being an Official Member, commits oneself to the club with some sense of responsibility and thus far our OMs have done well to keep the forum alive and with high integrity :top:.

However, your points is noted bro and we will marked that as one for further deliberation :top:

Cheers.

 

[B33mEr]

This is just my humble opinion as a CG, i think the best way is to ban all PM functions on CG and closed the classified section only OM and Club Vendors have the rights.

If you banned all section then CG will be unable to contribute in terms of technical/knowledge sharing but either way is fine by me :4:

Another suggestion is that if BMWCM want to take it to another level is to implement a two tier access for non-OM. Guest and Club Guest:-

1) Guest is non-verified hence can only browse and nothing else except BMW Talk section. Disable the PM function.

2) Club Guest is verified and recommended. Verified meaning that the CG will have to email or fax a copy of their IC as proof of identification to CM and need to get a recommendation from one of the OM's. Any OM that recommends or take a CG under their wing will be responsible for their attitude and actions. Verified members can post in all sections except for classifieds and PM function is still disabled.

 

[dzuljazz2001]

:top: Duly noted with thanks bro B33mEr. Sounds logical :top: . We will definitly take this up for discussion.

This is just my humble opinion as a CG, i think the best way is to ban all PM functions on CG and closed the classified section only OM and Club Vendors have the rights.

If you banned all section then CG will be unable to contribute in terms of technical/knowledge sharing but either way is fine by me :4:

Another suggestion is that if BMWCM want to take it to another level is to implement a two tier access for non-OM. Guest and Club Guest:-

1) Guest is non-verified hence can only browse and nothing else except BMW Talk section. Disable the PM function.

2) Club Guest is verified and recommended. Verified meaning that the CG will have to email or fax a copy of their IC as proof of identification to CM and need to get a recommendation from one of the OM's. Any OM that recommends or take a CG under their wing will be responsible for their attitude and actions. Verified members can post in all sections except for classifieds and PM function is still disabled.

 

[kayzhen911]

just a classic case of burning down the forest.
at the end of the day, club vendors will ultimately lose out due to poor traffic.
i second the idea that meeting up would do justice for the purported purchase/sale.
at the very least it gives the parties a chance to view the particular item before commiting.
if desperation is the order of the day, then let the buyer beware.
im sure there are worms wherever we go.
maybe we shud have a site where we can check out the rating of buyers/sellers. (comments to be provided by succesful/failed transactions)

 

[t2ribena]

is the forum objective geared towards the benefits of vendors? are we trying to be mudah or lelong rival? what is all the talk about when u restrict the forum the the vendor loose out...low traffic....

i'm sorry if the objective of this forum is to pleased the vendors...

as if without them the club cannot survive?

 

[ramsing]

It will b a very boring web site if d forum is only 4 members. I m against d idea totally. CG's contribute a lot of interesting threads that make it worth my while surfing d forum. It is d classifieds that is a concern as chrix rightfully puts. Therefore perhaps this is d area where more control shd b exercised. U dont use d fire brigade 2 put out a bon fire, just like u dont ban all CGs becoz of a few isolated cases involving CGs. Not all CGs r dishonest, n not all OMs r honest. What if these cases had involved OMs ?

i'm with rx8. if we close everything to only OMs, it'll be the same 20 OM's talking in different threads. in the end, the forum will become a graveyard when it becomes uninteresting. right now its not exactly a happening hip-hop jumping forum, and you want to limit the access to even a smaller group?

haiya, we are all adults here. if you want to buy something, then go in with your eyes open. no one is forcing you to buy. if you get screwed with your panties down, take it like a man. the club ain't here to provide you with money back guarantee. its just a platform where ppl can come in to meet, talk and share ideas. if andy poh came to the official TT and sold the springs, would it make a difference?

classified section will always have its + and -. but as long as we have our forum police officers like Captain Herbert and his BMW bazooka, peace can be generally maintained. but the buyer beware rule should be always clearly stated. if you dont like it, go to ebay or mudah. if you like it, then be ready to drop those panties boy!!!

i believe we should open as many sections as we can to all users. the more topics/traffic generated, the more buzz is created. I'd rather join a happening forum, than a forum with only 20 users. imho, official forum in this sense doesn't mean squat for most of us. as most events I've joined / noticed, do not benefit from official status, so what's the big deal here? daresay we join for necessity or monopoly sake? whatever the case, i'm here because i enjoy the company. the rm150 is for Captain Herbert's bazooka shells, so I dont mind

anyways, CMs have their work cut out, let's sit back and enjoy the ride.