vincent;488405 said:
first of all , lionel business have no relationship wit me at all not a single cent.....
ook , now there are OM that says lionel is a nuisance and want him to be ban, so im sure that this is the best time for the person(s) to come forward and say at least something .
if there is no one come out and say something then i would say there is actually no one complain about lionel and pls stop all the stuff saying Official member bising , complain ...
i think mr president should come out to explain this and also tell everyone here WHY IS LIONEL GOING TO BE BAN ?
i think mr president should come out to explain this and also tell everyone here
I felt compelled to reply to this as there are numerous stories/allegations flying around which warrant my attention.
First of all, Lionel Koh has been personally informed of the managing committee's decision on his commercial postings and the reasons behind it. And now I have been informed of stories from the grapevine that someone from the committee has got a personal grudge against Lionel and hence using the Official Members as an excuse to remove his commercial postings.
There are numerous people out there that is taking this opportunity to spin up stories alleging someone is behind all this. Let me just say this, this Lionel Koh issue has nothing to do with the clubs. Anyway, I shall talk a little history about the formation of bimmersclub, so that no one could take opportunity to imply someone has backstabbed them.
AS the President of this club, I have always extended my invitation to all BMW enthusiasts and clubs in our events such as Bimmerfest, Treasure Hunt and the recent Gymkhana. Some clubs even put up their club banners of which I have generously allowed, which normally most organisers wouldn't have done so.
Again, if I am against these clubs, I wouldn't have given them the opportunity to garner more publicity. I always believe in different strokes for different folks, join whatever club that is best for you but the least we can all do is to agree to disagree and respect the direction and decision the club has made.
And I was there with Vincent and the late Jsen when they asked my opinion about them forming bimmersclub, due to their disagreement of the then committee's decision to restrict certain parts (technical section) of the forum to forumers and make it available to Official Members only. Lionel was never in the picture, and wasn't the one behind the forming of Bimmersclub.
I respected their decision and told them it is their right to go ahead and do what is right for them. I then informed the ex president to reconsider the decision of restricting access for forumers as there are other ways of making the membership exclusive, of which the president agreed and that is what we have now, unrestricted access to all parts of the forum, except the Members Lounge.
And all this while I have maintained a cordial relationship with most of the bimmersclub members, and even introduced an official member that has now been active in their activities.
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As for Lionel Koh's commercial threads, there are removed because :-
1) it is purely commercial as he has his own shop
2) complaints from official members
Before I proceed further, I would like to point out this issue was brought up in the committee meeting by two of my committee members that have received complaints from the Official Members on why Lionel Koh's threads shall be removed. As a matter of fact, one Official Member have started a thread on this in the Member's Lounge. The committee has deliberated on this extensively and a collective decision was made, taking into the account of the club's interest and it was conveyed to Lionel Koh himself, as I have said previously.
Therefore I am deeply saddened with the turn of events, where some are implying that the committee is using the official members complaints as an excuse to remove Lionel Koh's commercial threads. There is not an
iota of truth in this, and personally I myself do not have anything against Lionel.
I'd agree that there could be others that are also doing some small time commercial business, in a sense that they frequent chop shops and then sell some of these stuff on the forum for a small gain. The committee has agreed to let this people off as it is difficult for us to monitor and determine what is commercial or not , but as Jarance has shown, we do removed commercial postings of others (proper set-ups) as well, in a frequent manner and some of these people are friends and one of them is even an official member (joe) that has stopped selling.
So to put everything in a nutshell, Lionel's postings are removed because his dealings are purely commercial with a proper shop setup and complaints from Official Members. As to the Official Members that complained about Lionel, I feel it is their right to complain via the proper channel and I will leave it up to them to reveal themselves or not. There is a thread in the Members Lounge discussing about this already and it is more than obvious that none of the committee members have any personal vendetta to axe with Lionel Koh as alleged. To further add on, the two committee members that raised this issue in the monthly meeting were Yazid and Pussy.
Last but not least, I'd hope everyone can at least agree to disagree and I want to make this clear to everyone that BMW CLub Malaysia is a proper club with AGM held every year and officially recognised by the International Council of BMW Car Clubs.
The decision to make rules/regulations are always discussed amongst the Official Members before it is being implemented by the Managing Committee, and the Managing Committee is only answerable to the Official Members. In other words, we are a Members' Club, and the club is not run solely by an individual, be it me or someone else as my fellow committee members can attest of what normally transpires in our monthly committee meeting.
I do not expect everyone to agree with the Committee's decision but the least what everyone can do is to respect it and if anyone feel marginalised, that person can always join as an Official Member and voice his grievances in the coming AGM to be held in March.
Thank you.
Albundy
President
