BMW 320d Sports - Limited Edition

[DKNY]

but i still had my reservations, on diesel quality, smell of diesel, Forced Induction vs NA maintenance, general public acceptability of diesel cars effecting re-sale value, no i-drive, engine noisy & not silky smothe like a 6 pot, etc.
some of these factor may or may not trouble u but these r jus some low lights to consider.

also high revving engine's r not necessarily higher in maintenance conversely its normally lower incomparison to FI engine.
NA engine in general r easier n cheaper to maintain whereas FI cars have more external forced induction components.

Doesn't mean with additional parts and low quality diesel the vehicle won't work or have a higher maintenance bill. Historically no one can actually vouch for either petrol or diesal.

Out of curiosity, how long are you actually planning to keep the Beemer?? 20 years ??? If you want a safe car you buy a toyota. You want a German masterpiece you go out and get yourself a Beemer, Dosen't matter if its diesal or petrol. A beemer is still a beemer no matter which way you look at it.

As for maintenance and reliability, I'm pretty sure they're decent but then don;t expect to pay peanuts for it though.

 

[Morganl]

At the end of the day,turbos are the way forward and NAs are on the way out-look at the new models rolling out,not only from BMW but the other car makers too. So I am sure resale value of NA cars gonna be hit badly because all other cars are the modern turbos. So sorry, though I respect yopur comment, I have to set you right on that point-not to digress but the masses must not be mislead with your nonchalant signing off of the turbos with your few taps of the keyboard. And when it comes to commanding respect,it cannot be demanded but must be earned. Sorry... but have to comment on that respect comment you made also. And typing in capital letters is known as SHOUTING which nobody can respect in the online world. Cheers buddy. No hard feelings. Buy you a beer next TT session...

1. Turbo is the way forward, but the majority of the other 'new models' are Turbo Petrol, ie: CGI, etc. Just because BMW 3 doesn't have a Turbo petrol model right now doesn't mean Turbo Diesel is the only future... I have nothing personal against Diesel engine as I'd been using 1 before, but the public perception and public acceptance would need more education in Malaysia to grow the awareness & acceptance level.

2. You had always avoided the key part of other people's comment about the 'mutual respect' & 'facts' part and just centre your argument in another way that'll favour you, ie: 'SHOUTING', 'Petrol users are stupid, I didn't say that but that's what I'll imply in all my message consistently', 'Euro 4 export to Singapore', my D@$% is bigger & better than urs'... maybe we are not all lawyers, but that's a repeatative pattern that most people could spot easily.

3. Respect are not commanded but earned. however, there are certain forum etiquette that we should all adhered to, regardless of whether you have 300 bucks more to splash on a BMW exclusive BMW Club Malaysia membership or the other 'poor' BMW owner with Club Guest status. 'Get out of my thread if you are not my supporter and don't agree with me and go start your own thread' certainly doesn't fit into that etiquette.

 

[docrayboy]

1. Turbo is the way forward, but the majority of the other 'new models' are Turbo Petrol, ie: CGI, etc. Just because BMW 3 doesn't have a Turbo petrol model right now doesn't mean Turbo Diesel is the only future... I have nothing personal against Diesel engine as I'd been using 1 before, but the public perception and public acceptance would need more education in Malaysia to grow the awareness & acceptance level.

2. You had always avoided the key part of other people's comment about the 'mutual respect' & 'facts' part and just centre your argument in another way that'll favour you, ie: 'SHOUTING', 'Petrol users are stupid, I didn't say that but that's what I'll imply in all my message consistently', 'Euro 4 export to Singapore', my D@$% is bigger & better than urs'... maybe we are not all lawyers, but that's a repeatative pattern that most people could spot easily.

3. Respect are not commanded but earned. however, there are certain forum etiquette that we should all adhered to, regardless of whether you have 300 bucks more to splash on a BMW exclusive BMW Club Malaysia membership or the other 'poor' BMW owner with Club Guest status. 'Get out of my thread if you are not my supporter and don't agree with me and go start your own thread' certainly doesn't fit into that etiquette.

You number one lawyer....Karpal Singh next partner! You keep on writing judgements like this (point form some more, brother!) you become high court judge tomorrow! RESPECT! For you no need 300 buck:- free membership!!! RESPECT!

 

[Morganl]

You number one lawyer....Karpal Singh next partner! You keep on writing judgements like this (point form some more, brother!) you become high court judge tomorrow! RESPECT! For you no need 300 bucks free membership!!! RESPECT!

that's exactly what I was refering to.... always twist and turn around while ignoring the arguement put forth....

forum can't use point form? which part of my writing constitute 'judgement'? 300 bucks free membership is more superior than others?

 

[docrayboy]

that's exactly what I was refering to.... always twist and turn around while ignoring the arguement put forth....

forum can't use point form? which part of my writing constitute 'judgement'? 300 bucks free membership is more superior than others?

Please stop talking about the 300 bucks...you are a bmw owner...what stops you from being an official member? Give us in point form. Thank you.

 

[fahren]

Guys,

I a newbie...I'm NOT siding anyone...but let's cool it off shall we? This is going no where and for the PUBLIC to read would put a very bad impression on BMW owners...whether guest or members or whatever.

Let's drop this shall we?

 

[Morganl]

Please stop talking about the 300 bucks...you are a bmw owner...what stops you from being an official member? Give us in point form. Thank you.

can't take the 'heat' on the 300 bucks now?

if paying 300 bucks to be an official member is just to excert one's supremacy over the rest, thanks but no thanks....

and again, you conveniently 'forgot' about the other 'points'....

 

[docrayboy]

Ok guys chill....enjoy your rides... the UDMs....united we stand, divided we fall.

 

[astroboy]

Hehe.. I see someone very hard sell on our membership.. Thank you very much on the effort! :top: let's not tear our face just because of RM300. :wink:

 

[e60FANster]

At the end of the day,turbos are the way forward and NAs are on the way out-look at the new models rolling out,not only from BMW but the other car makers too. So I am sure resale value of NA cars gonna be hit badly because all other cars are the modern turbos. So sorry, though I respect yopur comment, I have to set you right on that point-not to digress but the masses must not be mislead with your nonchalant signing off of the turbos with your few taps of the keyboard. And when it comes to commanding respect,it cannot be demanded but must be earned. Sorry... but have to comment on that respect comment you made also. And typing in capital letters is known as SHOUTING which nobody can respect in the online world. Cheers buddy. No hard feelings. Buy you a beer next TT session...

thanks bud, teh tarik will be fine, beer is laden w calories & sugar... ahaha...

i don't think tt turbo is necessarily the way to go but i agree tt its becoming a popular choice in some countries.
neither m i writing off turbo's like u mistakenly understood, i'm saying tt there're choices hence noting the common perception on pro's n con's.

turbo's has been arnd for a long time and has been somewhat popular yet not over staging high CC NA cars.
in the americas, turbo's will neva catch on compared to NA, americans like the high powered high CC american muscle cars.
in EU, its a diff story due to stringent emission regulations low cc turboed car's r replacing higher CC NA engines.
in MY, high CC NA cars r not popular due to high roadtax so many will opt to go for turbo's.
many turbo enthuasiast silently long for a high powered sweet sounding high revving NA engine.
juz imagine 3 liter V8(no need to mention 5ltr n above) vs 2.0 turbo... ahaha... lets try not to kid anyone here.
even e 6 pot 2.5 N52 sounds oh so sweet especially at high rev's something tt a turbo diesel cannot match but i do love the sound of an external wastegate on monster turbine's.

writing in caps was to highlite my main point, was using my phone so cldn't make changes to fonts nor colors.
wat's e point in shouting wen there's no aggrevations, even then we're definiately a well mannered bunch

 

[e60FANster]

Doesn't mean with additional parts and low quality diesel the vehicle won't work or have a higher maintenance bill. Historically no one can actually vouch for either petrol or diesal.

Out of curiosity, how long are you actually planning to keep the Beemer?? 20 years ??? If you want a safe car you buy a toyota. You want a German masterpiece you go out and get yourself a Beemer, Dosen't matter if its diesal or petrol. A beemer is still a beemer no matter which way you look at it.

As for maintenance and reliability, I'm pretty sure they're decent but then don;t expect to pay peanuts for it though.

in general wen u've more moving & functional component's, there's a higher chance of higher maintenance.
of course there's e discussion on bmw specific used parts in assembling the turbo, etc.
so we're not going in depth but if u ask arnd NA is known for reliability and lower maintenance.
if u start modding turbo engine's, reliability and maintenance comes in to play due to the huge increase in powah. overheating, excessive wear n tear on engine components, burnt cluthes, engine mounting, etc.
but if u start modding NA, eventho HP gains r minimal essentially its reliability is still maintained optimally.

u r speaking to a person tt neva owned a car more than 3 yrs, averagely 2 year b4 a change.
a bmw is a bmw and i agree and like i said if some1 chooses a 3 series platform, then they shld decide carefully btwn a NA petrol n turbo diesel. the equation is abit more complex coz its not a comparison btwn diesel or petrol its also NA vs Petrol. if its turbo petrol den there's a clear winner... ahaha...

 

[ALBundy]

thanks bud, teh tarik will be fine, beer is laden w calories & sugar... ahaha...

i don't think tt turbo is necessarily the way to go but i agree tt its becoming a popular choice in some countries.
neither m i writing off turbo's like u mistakenly understood, i'm saying tt there're choices hence noting the common perception on pro's n con's.

turbo's has been arnd for a long time and has been somewhat popular yet not over staging high CC NA cars.
in the americas, turbo's will neva catch on compared to NA, americans like the high powered high CC american muscle cars.
in EU, its a diff story due to stringent emission regulations low cc turboed car's r replacing higher CC NA engines.
in MY, high CC NA cars r not popular due to high roadtax so many will opt to go for turbo's.
many turbo enthuasiast silently long for a high powered sweet sounding high revving NA engine.
juz imagine 3 liter V8(no need to mention 5ltr n above) vs 2.0 turbo... ahaha... lets try not to kid anyone here.
even e 6 pot 2.5 N52 sounds oh so sweet especially at high rev's something tt a turbo diesel cannot match but i do love the sound of an external wastegate on monster turbine's.

writing in caps was to highlite my main point, was using my phone so cldn't make changes to fonts nor colors.
wat's e point in shouting wen there's no aggrevations, even then we're definiately a well mannered bunch

Forced induction, especially turbo charging will be indeed the way to go. BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Peugeot and etc etc are all moving towards that direction. The current trend is engine downsizing, and compensate it with forced induction which results in higher horsepower and lower carbon emission. As for the American car industry, they are always behind the Europeans in terms of technology and trend.

Turbo charging has come a long way, and now with advancement in metallurgy and mecha-tronics, most of the issues like turbo lag and overheating are no longer an issue.

Another thing is about the longetivity of diesel vs petrol engines.

Diesel engines operate on the principle of compression, meaning to say there is no spark plugs. Compression ratio in a typical diesel engine ranges from 16:1 to 22:1, where as a modern petrol engine usually ranges from 9.8:1 to 11.5:1 (M3). As the diesel engine is operating at high compression (and hence the high torque), most of the internal components like the crankshaft and conrods are forged.

This coupled with the diesel's inherent property (like a lubricant...try rubbing a drop of diesel with your fingers) and lower maximum operating RPM will always ensure diesel engines last longer than petrol ones, forced inducted or otherwise. The number one engine killer has always been engine vibrations, and at high engine rpm it will get significantly worse as it is an exponential relationship.

As for me, I love the 3.0 turbo diesel inline 6. Diesel chatter is significantly lower than the 2.0D, and it is silky smooth It would be the best option for BMW enthusiasts that love the silky smooth inline 6 engine.

Also to note, next generation of ///M engines will "most" probably be equipped with forced induction, no more V8s for the M3, and V10 for the M5.

 

[Spaceman]

Also to note, next generation of ///M engines will "most" probably be equipped with forced induction, no more V8s for the M3, and V10 for the M5.

So, it looks like i should grab 1 unit to keep b4 they roll out the next model ya..!:top:

 

[supergripen]

The trend has already started.. X6 M V8 biturbo,1-series M inline-6 biturbo.

For a roadcar,I think a turbo offers better useability but kinda sucks on racing tracks with heat issues.

 

[docrayboy]

Do you all know whether the future 320i and 325i cars are going to be turbos?

 

[DKNY]

in general wen u've more moving & functional component's, there's a higher chance of higher maintenance.
of course there's e discussion on bmw specific used parts in assembling the turbo, etc.
so we're not going in depth but if u ask arnd NA is known for reliability and lower maintenance.
if u start modding turbo engine's, reliability and maintenance comes in to play due to the huge increase in powah. overheating, excessive wear n tear on engine components, burnt cluthes, engine mounting, etc.
but if u start modding NA, eventho HP gains r minimal essentially its reliability is still maintained optimally.

I know you mean good but it doesn't matter if its a sedan car, off road 4x4 or heavy machinery, diesel engines are known to be hardy, long lasting and historically is considered to be a lower maintenance alternative.

The hypothesis that more moving parts makes it less reliable is to me incorrect. If it were true then model T ford would have outlasted the current models or be the model of choice!!

In fact the Germans have been able to make all these moving parts work so harmoniously has also been due to the fact that they are able to use better material for all their internal component. The advancement of the metalogy has significantly improved leaps and bound over the last few years. Moreover with the introduction of sensors and more intelligent ecu, the engine is force to work within a set parameters which would ultimately prolong the life of the engine unless you are one of those dude that gets Lim Ah Kow mechanic to fiddle with it at midnight at One Utama!! ha ha!!( I read that somewhere in this forum)

In fact I do actually luv the petrol cars especially NA but sometimes one has just to move with time

 

[hope]

Anyone can direct me to discussion on 320D maintenance?

 

[DKNY]

Anyone can direct me to discussion on 320D maintenance?

Go start a new thread on it:top:

 

[hope]

Go start a new thread on it:top:

Cool... I will certainly do that...

 

[Maniac]

Just for sharing, I've been super gentle with my d engine over the last week, and my FC is at 7.8! Woohoo!