BMW 320d Sports - Limited Edition

[zhul]

sorry for a probable newbie question but isn't accelaration directly proportional to torque ie the 320D has higher torque hence should accelrate faster? Pls don't flame me... just an honest question to learn. thanks .

You need to consider engine revs too. Higher revving engines have an advantage over lower revving ones.

 

[whiteknight88]

so the 325 would have higher engine rev?

Ya, the turbo on 320d is great!! sigh.... too bad I longed for the E92 but the 320d sounds like a great buy!

 

[zhul]

so the 325 would have higher engine rev?

Ya, the turbo on 320d is great!! sigh.... too bad I longed for the E92 but the 320d sounds like a great buy!

Yes, the 325i shifts at 7k rpm when you accelerate hard while the 320d rarely goes beyond 5k rpm. Its best to test both before deciding.

The 320d is a better daily driver for me ... and could be for you too :top:

 

[docrayboy]

sorry for a probable newbie question but isn't accelaration directly proportional to torque ie the 320D has higher torque hence should accelrate faster? Pls don't flame me... just an honest question to learn. thanks .

The new 320d with 184hp and 380nm torque is quicker than the 325i...only top speed the 325i is faster...but who maxes out towards 235km/hr? The day to day speed range the 320d is far superior.

 

[docrayboy]

You need to consider engine revs too. Higher revving engines have an advantage over lower revving ones.

But with higher revs, zhul...there's more engine wear and tear too...so with the lower revving engines...they should last longer before needing a complete overhaul or worse even...total new engine change.

 

[docrayboy]

it's a perception issue that needs education to address to encourage more people to hop on to the luxury diesel bandwagon... education is the key...

It's also an opportunity issue as 320d was not available in Malaysia previously, so all the proud owner of E90 3 series who bought their car before the launch of 320d doesn't have the opportunity to make such purchase decision as you.

stepping on others under such situation to promote 320d to the newcomers would be deem unfair to others who had bought their E90 prior to the launch of 320d.

everyone would definately love to brag about it when they had siezed a bloody good bargain, that's in human blood.... but please be considerate for the others who did not have the same opportunity as you have when they made their decision of purchase.

It's not too late morganl, trade in your 320i and upgrade to the 320d.That's the way to go dude...life is short...as the song goes...don't look back in anger.

 

[docrayboy]

Yes, the 325i shifts at 7k rpm when you accelerate hard while the 320d rarely goes beyond 5k rpm. Its best to test both before deciding.

The 320d is a better daily driver for me ... and could be for you too :top:

That's right, its the day-to-day drive....not the once-in-a-year/lifetime race down the Sepang F1 track trying to beat the 911s...who themselves are trying to beat the Bugattis...see it never ends this rat race....the 320d fills that niche beautifully...the day to day drive niche....without the day to day isi minyak routine at station minyak.....u just make the station minyak owners richer to buy their 911s and Ferraris.......

 

[Morganl]

It's not too late morganl, trade in your 320i and upgrade to the 320d.That's the way to go dude...life is short...as the song goes...don't look back in anger.

not everyone is as rich as you that can trade in a brand new bmw every 2 years.... besides, much of the 320d torque are mainly coming from Turbo-charge engine which 320/323/325 doesn't enjoy at the moment. I believe 320d is here to fill the gap versus C200/C250 CGI with turbo-charged engine... otherwise, the entire 320/323/325 lineup would be slaugthered versus the new C CGI....

if 320/323/325 all get refreshed with a new turbo-charged engine line up in the next 3 series, then the 'strong' advantages of 320d would then be left perhaps with lower fuel consumption only....

 

[DKNY]

if 320/323/325 all get refreshed with a new turbo-charged engine line up in the next 3 series, then the 'strong' advantages of 320d would then be left perhaps with lower fuel consumption only....

You maybe right but until that happens, 320d is a decent bet.

 

[docrayboy]

You maybe right but until that happens, 320d is a decent bet.

More than decent...you will be LOVING IT! Sorry McDonalds-pinjam their tag line!
Don't wish for tomorrow what you already can have today!!

 

[astroboy]

Before the 320/323/325 get refreshed, the 320d has already been refreshed.. now the stock standard 320d is pumping near 190 ponies from the previous 177hp and 0-100 dash is 0.1s faster then a 6-potter 325i, forget about 323i, all top end and pick up lose to 320d.

So on every sprint, after slowed down by traffic or corners, the 320d will be pulling away from the 325i and first hit 200kph, despite car fully loaded with luggage and passengers. The entire stretch of highway, the 325i will constantly play catch up unless you can find a stretch where you can push it all up to 242kph, u only wish the traffic stays clear. Otherwise, u are at the mercy of a 320d..

 

[whiteknight88]

haha.... encouraging others to splurge is alwiz fun

 

[astroboy]

haha.... encouraging others to splurge is alwiz fun

hehe... let's not start with the 335i.. that one is a true poison! :love:

 

[docrayboy]

Before the 320/323/325 get refreshed, the 320d has already been refreshed.. now the stock standard 320d is pumping near 190 ponies from the previous 177hp and 0-100 dash is 0.1s faster then a 6-potter 325i, forget about 323i, all top end and pick up lose to 320d.

So on every sprint, after slowed down by traffic or corners, the 320d will be pulling away from the 325i and first hit 200kph, despite car fully loaded with luggage and passengers. The entire stretch of highway, the 325i will constantly play catch up unless you can find a stretch where you can push it all up to 242kph, u only wish the traffic stays clear. Otherwise, u are at the mercy of a 320d..

Not only playing catch up...but everytime they speed the money going out of the exhaust...I estimate every strong forceful tekan of the accelerator for the 325i, 5 ringgit ejected out like shit bombs through the exhaust, unless you are an arab sheikh, i am sure you will feel the economical pinch...and every time must masuk petrol station to refill..leceh lah-there in station kena kes bag ragut, car hijack etc-not safe lah our petrol stations these days-later at TT, I tell you all what happened to my friend's wife at petrol station-poor lady-traumatised for life now because of petrol guzzling car!)! Thank you astroboy for supporting the 320d...it is really a heaven-sent car...I am not the only one supporting it, even our very frank and much respected Mr Treasurer thinks it's a much better car over his (already good) 320i.

 

[docrayboy]

hehe... let's not start with the 335i.. that one is a true poison! :love:

I also tried the 535i yesterday...motoring journalist friend of mine(one of the 9 COTY judges, in fact) had it over the long weekend. It's marvelous! i like the red lights inside the car on the door panels-looks like you are sitting in a fancy lounge bar and the music transports Zouk in to your car! The engine feels and sounds less frantic than the 335i, and I prefer it this way. MR600K buys you a great car!! Maybe....it can be a worthy/suitable candidate to replace my much-beloved 320d. In the future though...let the 3 year warranty run out first for the 320d!

 

[astroboy]

hehe.. doc.. let's leave the petrol price, or roadtax price out of the equation because many can afford it, in exchange for engine refinement of the hallmark 6-potter NA. Actually the 6-potter is not such a guzzler compare to its under power cousin the 320i. So different walks of life has different priorities.. I love the AMG E55 sound.. often heard from the SLS F1 Safety Car, super sexy! :love:

 

[e60FANster]

if most can afford to plonk out close to 300k for a 325, wat's a couple of extra $ in petrol.
most 325 owners will unlikely get traumatized by a petrol guzzling 325 ahaha.. interesting comment tho.
wrt to security & safety as long as u drive a bmw, u juz need to be vigilant at all time, irregardless of the model u drive.

i've personally tried out the 320d and i think its good interms of fuel efficiency & acceleration.
i had a long chat with rabian @ ingress coz he had e car for a couple of day pre launch n was all praise for it.
but i still had my reservations, on diesel quality, smell of diesel, Forced Induction vs NA maintenance, general public acceptability of diesel cars effecting re-sale value, no i-drive, engine noisy & not silky smothe like a 6 pot, etc.
some of these factor may or may not trouble u but these r jus some low lights to consider.

also high revving engine's r not necessarily higher in maintenance conversely its normally lower incomparison to FI engine.
NA engine in general r easier n cheaper to maintain whereas FI cars have more external forced induction components.
Components like turbo chargers and its accompanying components like wastegate, downpipes, intercoole, etc.
some of which is not available on the 320d but can be retrofitted to generate more hp.
turbo chargers are used to add more air in to engine and most often increases the density of air and improve internal combustion thus promoting wear and tear.
so given the above theory, how can FI engine be cheaper to maintain ie more components, more wear & tear, etc.
but FI is extremely promising when further mods are concern, the gains per $ per HP is extremly satisfying.
sorry to digress but i was compelled to share the above so tt ppl get the right information and not skewed opinion.

back to 320d, its a great car none the less but its also a 3 series so for ppl who choose this platform has the right to choose which engine it should be fitted with ie. turbo or petrol.
both also has its pro's and con's, it depends on his or her preference and their own drawn conclusion.
most folks here are juz sharing their tots and not having any specific preference unlike you.
which is fine because u own a 320d and wan to be constantly reminded that u made the right choice.
and as market & general acceptance for 320d increase, high chance the pre-owned car prices will be higher too.
but for whatever reason u've, just try to have some mutual respect for others in this forum and their opinions.

eventho this is a 320d thread but in general its under a E9X heading and in a BMW forum, there're many other car enthusiast who do not share your same passion for 320d or even BMW in general.
if a porsche or ferrari owner reads dis thread, i think they will be laughing at us BMW fella's.... making the petrol station owner's richer and all, u think they care so much abt petrol prices n consumption.
and its not abt who's D!@# is bigger because there could be females in discussion, so D!@# size dun matter.

like AB said "different strokes for diff folks", "one mans meat another mans poison", "to each his own"...
either way you're entitled to your passionate comments and i hope u enjoy your car while allowing some space for other's to enjoy their's, may it be a BMW, Porsche, Ferrari or even their Proton's & Perodua's.
NOW THAT'S I FEEL IS RESPECT FOR OTHERS IN A PUBLIC FORUM...

 

[docrayboy]

if most can afford to plonk out close to 300k for a 325, wat's a couple of extra $ in petrol.
most 325 owners will unlikely get traumatized by a petrol guzzling 325 ahaha.. interesting comment tho.
wrt to security & safety as long as u drive a bmw, u juz need to be vigilant at all time, irregardless of the model u drive.

i've personally tried out the 320d and i think its good interms of fuel efficiency & acceleration.
i had a long chat with rabian @ ingress coz he had e car for a couple of day pre launch n was all praise for it.
but i still had my reservations, on diesel quality, smell of diesel, Forced Induction vs NA maintenance, general public acceptability of diesel cars effecting re-sale value, no i-drive, engine noisy & not silky smothe like a 6 pot, etc.
some of these factor may or may not trouble u but these r jus some low lights to consider.

also high revving engine's r not necessarily higher in maintenance conversely its normally lower incomparison to FI engine.
NA engine in general r easier n cheaper to maintain whereas FI cars have more external forced induction components.
Components like turbo chargers and its accompanying components like wastegate, downpipes, intercoole, etc.
some of which is not available on the 320d but can be retrofitted to generate more hp.
turbo chargers are used to add more air in to engine and most often increases the density of air and improve internal combustion thus promoting wear and tear.
so given the above theory, how can FI engine be cheaper to maintain ie more components, more wear & tear, etc.
but FI is extremely promising when further mods are concern, the gains per $ per HP is extremly satisfying.
sorry to digress but i was compelled to share the above so tt ppl get the right information and not skewed opinion.

back to 320d, its a great car none the less but its also a 3 series so for ppl who choose this platform has the right to choose which engine it should be fitted with ie. turbo or petrol.
both also has its pro's and con's, it depends on his or her preference and their own drawn conclusion.
most folks here are juz sharing their tots and not having any specific preference unlike you.
which is fine because u own a 320d and wan to be constantly reminded that u made the right choice.
and as market & general acceptance for 320d increase, high chance the pre-owned car prices will be higher too.
but for whatever reason u've, just try to have some mutual respect for others in this forum and their opinions.

eventho this is a 320d thread but in general its under a E9X heading and in a BMW forum, there're many other car enthusiast who do not share your same passion for 320d or even BMW in general.
if a porsche or ferrari owner reads dis thread, i think they will be laughing at us BMW fella's.... making the petrol station owner's richer and all, u think they care so much abt petrol prices n consumption.
and its not abt who's D!@# is bigger because there could be females in discussion, so D!@# size dun matter.

like AB said "different strokes for diff folks", "one mans meat another mans poison", "to each his own"...
either way you're entitled to your passionate comments and i hope u enjoy your car while allowing some space for other's to enjoy their's, may it be a BMW, Porsche, Ferrari or even their Proton's & Perodua's.
NOW THAT'S I FEEL IS RESPECT FOR OTHERS IN A PUBLIC FORUM...

At the end of the day,turbos are the way forward and NAs are on the way out-look at the new models rolling out,not only from BMW but the other car makers too. So I am sure resale value of NA cars gonna be hit badly because all other cars are the modern turbos. So sorry, though I respect yopur comment, I have to set you right on that point-not to digress but the masses must not be mislead with your nonchalant signing off of the turbos with your few taps of the keyboard. And when it comes to commanding respect,it cannot be demanded but must be earned. Sorry... but have to comment on that respect comment you made also. And typing in capital letters is known as SHOUTING which nobody can respect in the online world. Cheers buddy. No hard feelings. Buy you a beer next TT session...

 

[whiteknight88]

hmm.... wonder if diesel is also the future trend...... for cars not trucks/buses i mean

 

[Longines]

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