Alfa 156 GTA

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Originally posted by The Necessary@Aug 3 2005, 05:36 AM
Dude Z,

what's your problem man? Your "bella" just broke down again or something?

I was just wondering; how exactly would one test a car to determine if it is better?

Like: what defines performance? What defines handling? Areas in which you, Z, deem Alfas to be superior compared to BMWs?

If we can come up with a system of fair, impartial and accurate tests, then we can finally settle this little tete a tete.

Is that such an inflammatory thing, Z?
No comment dude. Really....i just dont feel like discuss this matter with you again in this forum/thread.

You might be right lar....completly right. Just enough lar....this thread is all about Alfa 156 GTA for sales in Motor Trader. Is not about arguing who is better and so on lar....coz i dont see a point of argue with you.

Talk is cheap dude! Action speak louder than word. Ok? :yes:
 
Dude Z,

sure man. You don't wanna discuss this topic, not a problem. Just that, when you actually replied to my comment, well, I thought you might have something intelligent to say... But, I guess not. No worries man.

Hey, talk is cheap, hence my suggestion about some emphirical tests.
But, again, I guess you just don't get it, and it's not suprising, ya know.

Be a good boy now...
 
Originally posted by The Necessary@Aug 3 2005, 05:49 AM
Dude Z,

sure man. You don't wanna discuss this topic, not a problem. Just that, when you actually replied to my comment, well, I thought you might have something intelligent to say... But, I guess not. No worries man.

Hey, talk is cheap, hence my suggestion about some emphirical tests.
But, again, I guess you just don't get it, and it's not suprising, ya know.

Be a good boy now...
Ok....i will take your advise.

You too....be a good boy and a forummer!
 
Err, Redd! Looks like its another dance and drink-up to sort this one out! Call the DaimlerChrysler gals to initiate something?!

Interestingly tho, what's the new Sime Auto Italia offering as warranty for their 147/156s since most other makes are making significant concessions here?!
 
Don't mean to be a prick here but did you know that it is only the British magazines that prefers the M3 over the GTA? All the European especially the German magazines rate the GTA very highly. I don't really blame the Brits I guess as the suspension for the GTA is really stiff and British roads just don't do them justice or was it that they just have feathered bums. The 159 should be the car to look out for. Anyway, wait for my "GTA" to be restored :) B)
 
Originally posted by wirelessjunkie@Aug 3 2005, 08:27 AM
Don't mean to be a prick here but did you know that it is only the British magazines that prefers the M3 over the GTA? All the European especially the German magazines rate the GTA very highly.

ALL European mags favors the 156 GTA over the E46 M3???...

Any links?
 
Originally posted by The Necessary@Aug 3 2005, 10:30 AM
Apparently (since I've never driven one, and only have read about it), it drives horribly on bad road sufaces- limited suspension travel and all- that should mean it wouldn't be the best choice for our roads, no? Plus the 156 replacement (159?) is out...
look!!! if it isnt the chicken shit toilet bowl racer himself!

its good that you're finally paying someone like sean and friends to teach you how to drive. And until you do that we dont think you qualify at all to talk about performance handling - especially not when comparing a bm's handling against an alfa. Empirical test my ass. You wouldnt know any better if Bad Handling came up from the bottom of your throne and sucked your brains out through your ass.hole. GEDDIT??

'cos it always comes down to YOU KNOW SHIT. OK?

i'll be close by watching your tuition.... getting ready to laugh.
 
Originally posted by Redd@Aug 3 2005, 02:54 AM

so business wise, they're taking a step in the right direction. but i think in the long run, the long time alfistis will suffer.
I still think they are making a mistake pricing the car in the range of Mercs and Bimmers... esp here in Malaysia. Only time will tell I guess :dunno:
 
Originally posted by E46Fanatic@Aug 3 2005, 11:36 AM
With that kinda pricing the only people buying the new 159 will be hard core Alfasits. Its likely the regular Joe Malaysian will stick to brands like BMW or Merc or even Volvo and Audi. They should have priced it to compete head on with the Accords and Camrys which will see them doing much better IMHO.
Fact of the matter even in other markets alfas are priced higher than camry and accord but below bmw and audi. By saying that alfa should be priced to compete head on with the Accords and Camrys show how little you know about the positioning of the marque.
 
:) redd,e46fanatic..
i'll have to agree with e46F..in the malaysian market i think what made alfa romeo a success was partly due to its pricing structure of the 145/146 and 156.the cars were priced well below other conti marques and that made them affordable to many european car enthusiast..
wonder why they price it so high? well,we'll just have to wait and see lah..maybe the 159 is really as good as they say it is..
i'm going tmoro to have a look and also to tayang my UDM :nyehehe:
 
jpb, i am this close to handing the necc's a$$ to him. i will ignore him because a) i respect this forum (even if he doesnt respect me), and B) i would rather not see inter-club relationships get set back 5-yrs because of a neanderthal.

likewise, zoakies et al, pls just ignore the necc from now on. he's deprived of attention and this is the only way he knows how to get it. he and the f.man can have at it. their exchanges are always entertaining.

back to the topic - during milan auto days, alfas were underdeclared and that was a boon to all alfa lovers. we got our cars at significantly lower prices than the other european marques. we all know what happened to MA because of that. sime darby now has to be above board and declare and price accordingly. all over the world, alfas are priced 10-15% lower than bmws and that will be the trend here as well.

will it work to help alfa sell more cars? i dont know. do i like it as an alfisti who hopes to one day upgrade to a newer alfa - heck, no! any dreams i may have of owning a GTA just got 50k further away.

but that's the fact of life and its up to sime auto italia to deal with it. they've been in operation for a few weeks now so its still too soon to tell if their strategy will work or not (unless one of u have the gift of foresight, in which case im dumping my sime darby shares).

one the one hand, i hope it doesnt work cos i would like to see lower prices for alfas. on the other, the very survival of the company depends on the success of the plan. italian car makers have been in trouble for many yrs now and most are money pits due to poor management. sure they make lovely cars, but reputation is poor, resale is in the toilet, and parts and dealer networks are shitty at best.

we're hoping the new guy at alfa (ex-bmw guy) can turn things around. the strategy looks familiar already: if the world wants bmws, we'll give them bmws. gone are some of the signature quirkiness of previous alfas, being replaced by more accessible and practical features popular on german cars like bimmers and mercs. this is evident not only in the ergonomics of the car, but also in the performance and drivability of the new engines.

again, will it work? dunno. we'll have to wait and see. but the same way porsche stalwarts screamed bloody murder when porsche did away with the air-cooled boxers and introduced electronic driver aids, there will always be some diehard alfisti who will complain that modern alfas are a joke and not "real" alfas at all (some already claimed that when alfa moved to FWD). but like how the modern porsches - 996, 997, boxster - are selling better than the previous generations, the current alfas - 156 & 147 - are selling better than any of the previous generations before.

at the end of the day, id rather have a watered down alfa than no alfa at all. :)

redd
 
The new Alfa 2.0L selling price is abit too high at 240k, if i'm not mistaken the new A4 price is about 230k only. For better choice to buy, i think most ppl will prefer Audi intead of Alfa. It should be reasonable if the Alfa price tag is below 200k.
 
Redd,

now, now, my dear Alfa lover, why the frustration? I was merely poking a hole in your (very) feeble arguement in support of Alfas' new pricing strategy in Malaysia. Thank you for your subsequent, eloquent, but ultimately, unconvincing arguement.

As for Dude Z, well, I may be an attention w/horing inflammatory poster, but hey, he fell for it and I do give as good (or as badly, in his case) as I get.

So please, don't use me as an excuse for whatever lamo "vendetta" BMWs have agasint Alfas or whoever else. I for one, have no allegiance towards any camp, thank you, and would like to stay that way. I merely state my opinions, and surely, if that is censured, what kind of close minded, petty society will we be living in?

For the (final) record, I do like Alfas, please do ask Wireless how much I drooled over his gorgeous GTA. Just can't help it that the current generation, though better than the 155/145 generation, is still quite a ways short of "class leading". I do hope the 159 is a quantum leap forward for the marque.

(Seriously, why do people take insults agasint the cars they own so personally? It is merely an inanimate object you buy/sell. Gosh. I mean, if anyone's going to come up and comment that an M3 is crap, well, so be it. If they were objective about their critisms, I would do my best to refute them (if I do not agree with such comments) objectively, but in the end, it's one persons' opinion agasint the others', and I wouldn't be upset at all. Those who can't understand that- you included, Redd- are the true 5 year olds, not me.)


F.Man,

dude, I've been watching you too... and have obtained some really interesting observations- like how you take corners at 20km/h, shift up at 3000rpm, and are generally a bad driver. Man, when that kanchil came up to you and gave you the finger for holding her up, well, I almost died laughing. Hahaha.

Oh, and let's not forget about how you have to sit to pee cos your dick's so short and how your mama still has to go clothes shopping for you.

Dude, you're like Oasis, you know. Their first two albums were really brilliant (and I do admit to having liked your style), but after that, they stagnated, nothing new nor original came outta them, and that's like really how your postings are now. *Yawn*. Please come up with something new and original, I implore you! I want to be a fan of yours' again. But until then, you're stupid and boring. *Sigh*

(On the other hand, Oasis's contemporaries like Radiohead and Blur have moved on so much, and so much the better for them! But Coldplay seems to be moving down the Oasis route, and really, how much semi-whiney melodic tunes can we really take?!)
 
samhun, i agree. id like nothing more than to see the current alfas retain the old pricing. hell, if i had my way, alfas would be priced same as protons! (then i can change up to a newer model :D )

dont get me wrong, im not defending auto italia's pricing decision. im not even recommending that they compete head to head with BMW. i agree, for the same price, 90% of the ppl will buy a BMW. im merely trying to analyze why they may be doing it this way. unfortunately, neither i nor any of the ppl here have any say in alfa pricing. so we have to live with what they're doing and hope to god that it works for them.

the necc, u do a fantastic job as flamebait. see, im even now tempted to reply to ur comments. :) however, most of us here know the "reputation" u carry in this club. id give ur comments some form of credibility if there were other ppl who thought like you and defended your position. but there aren't, and i won't.

i guess if you enjoy making caustic remarks and egging ppl on to flame you, if that provides you entertainment, do continue. (frankly, i find it quite pathetic, but hey, whatever floats your boat) i for one am not playing your game anymore. do enjoy yourself. :)

but i do hope to meet up with you one day at TT or some event. ive noticed that ppl with obnoxious online personalities are a lot less vocal in real life. we shall see.

have a good one! :)

redd
 
Kalbfell joined Alfa after the 159 was developed so he didn't have much say in the development of the 159.
However, his uphill task at Alfa now is to focus entirely on what's terribly weak about the brand... It's after-sales service.
Let's hope that his focus ties back to Auto Italia's commitment to the Alfa brand in Malaysia.
I personally feel that the Alfa prices are very competitive without smelling too fishy... something that comes about from the fact that Sime Darby is a GLC and would not do any tricky businesses like underdeclaring etc.
 
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