E36 328 vs Alfa 156 2.0

[rahizwan]

one of our oldtimers(eric) have posted the link to this thread in the Italia Auto forum aledi.. hahaha...

http://www.italiaauto.net/viewtopic.php?t=8171

hahahahhaha...

guys, no worries, wat to shy anywy??let them laugh first la...

As JP & El30 said, lets call for another drag test, thn thats the time who wan to show their ball's bigger n tougher.. :top:


Pussy,
i thinnk yr E30, shud have as wat i've just mentioned..hehehehe:rock:

 

[fabianyee]

both camps are nice guys with passion for their own rides...

 

[Lee36328]

This just in...

F1 teams are so impressed with recent results amongst road users of fwd especially in keeping up with rwd cars that some teams are lobbying FIA to allow fwd starting from the 2009 season.

:top:

 

[infinityKL]

whats the official malaysian alfa forum? thinking about getting a 2.5 V6, price seems right now...itchy ald now...hahaha

thx cheers

 

[fabianyee]

whats the official malaysian alfa forum? thinking about getting a 2.5 V6, price seems right now...itchy ald now...hahaha

thx cheers

official club is the AROC malaysia.. butar Italiaauto forum is quite active too for the AR and Fiat enthusiasts... Have seen 156 V6 posted for sale

 

[Juan Powerblow]

whats the official malaysian alfa forum? thinking about getting a 2.5 V6, price seems right now...itchy ald now...hahaha

thx cheers

That's certainly an enjoyable car and can be made to perform very well. I have test driven it before and was given the full demo by Ron Lim. You will learn why they call it an Italian Stallion.

 

[Juan Powerblow]

Sorry, FWD cars cannot corner. (At the next HPC event, take a good look.) End of story.

Aiya Lee, that's not always correct and as Shaifulo puts it, there are some FWDs (including 156s and other JDMs) that can put things in perspective on track. To say what you said like how you said it can be embarassing unless you're prepared to take the gauntlet to redeem some honor for us? For this reason, can I request Albundy to get ready to drive home this point on track? Also, can someone lend him a RWD NA 3L E90 to take on Redd's 156? That would be a nice duel, indeed.

 

[fabianyee]

Aiya Lee, that's not always correct and as Shaifulo puts it, there are some FWDs (including 156s and other JDMs) that can put things in perspective on track. To say what you said like how you said it can be embarassing unless you're prepared to take the gauntlet to redeem some honor for us? For this reason, can I request Albundy to get ready to drive home this point on track? Also, can someone lend him a RWD NA 3L E90 to take on Redd's 156? That would be a nice duel, indeed.

FYI, redd has replaced the 156 with the Fiat Coupe...

actually, all cars now are engineered to understeer... unless you mod the suspension to counter it... both FWD and RWD have their strenghts and weaknesses.. Unless you have driven both platforms at limits (not beyond) before, all u would have is just paper value. I have whacked both FWD and RWD and they have different characteristic, both excel in different ways. so to say that RWD is superior in all ways would not be true.

If you bring in RWD F1 cars then you would have to bring in FWD Rally cars.. FWD car would fare better against a RWD bcos of the loose surface. And I have spoken to an expat who shared his personal experience with driving on snow. A rwd would get stuck more frequently compared to a fwd.

 

[Lee36328]

Aiya Lee, that's not always correct and as Shaifulo puts it, there are some FWDs (including 156s and other JDMs) that can put things in perspective on track. To say what you said like how you said it can be embarassing unless you're prepared to take the gauntlet to redeem some honor for us? For this reason, can I request Albundy to get ready to drive home this point on track? Also, can someone lend him a RWD NA 3L E90 to take on Redd's 156? That would be a nice duel, indeed.

OK, ok. I concede your point. FWD is better. That's why top performance cars use FWD.

And that includes the return of Alfa to the ranks of Porsches and Ferraris in its halo model, the Alfa 8C Competizione, a lovely looking machine.

Let's see....

Impressive stats here...

"Meanwhile the powertrain for the coupe is from Maserati’s own GranTurismo coupe front-mounted, sending drive to the rear wheels via a two-piece driveshaft and a self-locking rear differential."

"With the return of rear-wheel drive the 4.2-liter supercharged V-8 will have somewhere to put its 400 or more horsepower."

Waitaminute... did I read correctly? RWD?

What do I know about cars? My old e36 can't even beat a civil servant when it comes to speed. Ask the Alfa engineers what layout they chose when they want somewhere to put down some hp...

 

[Lee36328]

FYI, redd has replaced the 156 with the Fiat Coupe...

actually, all cars now are engineered to understeer... unless you mod the suspension to counter it... both FWD and RWD have their strenghts and weaknesses.. Unless you have driven both platforms at limits (not beyond) before, all u would have is just paper value. I have whacked both FWD and RWD and they have different characteristic, both excel in different ways. so to say that RWD is superior in all ways would not be true.

If you bring in RWD F1 cars then you would have to bring in FWD Rally cars.. FWD car would fare better against a RWD bcos of the loose surface. And I have spoken to an expat who shared his personal experience with driving on snow. A rwd would get stuck more frequently compared to a fwd.

Yeah, it snows quite often around here too. I heard there was a blizzard recently on the Kesas somewhere around bukit jalil... guess that's why single-poster-eddie could not shake the 156, must've been a snow storm. When it snows, I park my old e36 at home, and take my wife's corolla. Safer.

 

[Juan Powerblow]

Wait a minute?! Redd has replaced his 156? Why?? That car was lovely and I thought he built it up to perfection! Well, I guess with that, one can get bored and in need of a new project.

 

[fabianyee]

FWD cars works well for engines with

 

[Lee36328]

You mean the NSX, the last supercar from Honda, was not FWD? Nooo.... get outta here...

Here is the lap times of road cars in Nurburgring. Various hp's are represented. Even the Civic, although not the latest model. Shall we count how many FWD's are here?

I do not have any credentials to attack anything, you flatter me undeservingly. Am just pointing out what the facts, or 'paper value' as you put it, document.

No offense, nice to have a bit of debate that's not political. This forum was getting boring. :smokin:

Nurburgring Miscellaneous lap times of road cars

These lap time were measured under different levels of scrutiny under various conditions, track lengths, drivers and preparation time.


Time Make Model Power/Weight Driver Date Source Notes 6:55 Radical SR8 360 PS/650 kg Michael Vergers 2005-09-28 Video
7:12 Radical SR3 Turbo 320 PS/500 kg Phil Bennett
Test Drive 07/03
7:14 Donkervoort D8 RS 398 PS/760 kg Michael Düchting
sport auto 11/05
7:15 Edo Porsche GT2 RS 612 PS/1284 kg Patrick Simon 2005-08-04 Video
7:18 Donkervoort D8 RS 370 PS/670 kg Michael Düchting
Sport Auto 12/04
7:22 Loaded BMW M3 CSL ~600 PS/1427 kg Richard Göransson 2007-11-05 video incl RG + 30L fuel, MPSC tires, (Sport Auto Lap with 3 overtakes) 7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 650 PS/1230 kg
2007-09 video Semi-wet conditions. 7:28 Porsche Carrera GT 612 PS/1380 kg Walter Röhrl 2004 Autobild 07/04
7:32.02* Porsche 997 GT2 2008 530 PS/1440 kg Walter Röhrl 2007 Motor Authority, video
Semi-slicks tires. 7:32 Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg

Gemballa
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR 806 PS/1140 kg Horst von Saurma 2005-10-17 - 2005-10-18 Sport Auto Cold conditions 7:38.54* Nissan GT-R 480 PS/1740 kg Toshio Suzuki 2007-09-24 *manufacturer claim.10/7 Video[10] Run flat tires. Semi-wet conditions. 7:39* Porsche 997 GT3 415 PS/1395 kg Vincent (Enzo) Brulo
*manufacturer claim.(quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 TechArt GTstreet (07)


Sport Auto 10/07
7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 626 PS /1768 kg Klaus Ludwig
AutoBild
7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16/4 1001 PS/1888 kg

Wheels Magazine Australia, 12/05
7:41 Manthey Porsche GT3 M410 413 PS/1320 kg Lucas Luhr
Autobild 07/04 160.868 km/h 7:42 Porsche 997 GT3 415 PS/1440 kg Walter Röhrl
Automobil 05/06 sport auto 05/06
7:42 Ford GT 550 PS/1521 kg

Octane magazine, 11/05
7:42.9 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 505 hp / 1450 kg Jan Magnussen 2005 Motor Trend[11] Muggy conditions 7:43 Lamborghini Murcielago


(Autocar magazine 02)
7:43 TechArt GTstreet


Sport Auto 08/01
7:44 Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 02/05
7:46 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 530 PS/1330 kg

Motor Authority 08/07
7:46 Porsche 996 GT2 462 PS/1450 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 06/01
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 620 PS/1690 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto
7:47 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear 640 PS/n/a Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 01/07 Sport tyres 7:49 Blitz Toyota Supra 750 PS Herbert Schürg 1997 Video Option Vol.50 Refer to link for modification details 7:50 BMW M3 E46 CSL 360 PS/1421 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 08/03
7:50 BMW X5 E53 LM
Hans-Joachim Stuck 2000 EVO magazine 08/2005 BMW M70 S70B56 engine from a V12 LMR producing 750 bhp 7:50 Nissan GT-R 480 PS/1740 kg (3800 lb) Horst von Saurma
SportAuto 12/07 Semi-wet track 7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG 582 PS/1678 kg

Sport Auto 03/05
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight 233 PS/460 kg Robert Nearn
EVO magazine 07/2000
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 490 PS/1493 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 01/06
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 405 PS/1409.1 KG (3100 lb) Dave Hill
[28]
7:56 Honda NSX-R (NA2) 280 PS/1270 kg Motoharu Kurosawa
Best MOTORing 08/02 Omit the safe equipment model No Airbags No ESC No Spare tire 7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo 420 PS Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 06/00
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 02/04 Sport tyres 7:59* Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 405 PS/1481 kg driver Dave Hill
*manufacturer claim.
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S
Walter Röhrl
WHEELS 06/04 PASM setting “Performance” 7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33
Dirk Schoysmans
Autocar magazine 1997 Without speed limiter 7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10

2005-11-?? Motor Trend
7:59 Subaru Impreza Sti Spec-C 280 PS/1370 kg

Subaru News 2004
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 280 PS/1540 kg Motoharu Kurosawa
Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car) 8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series 507 PS/ 1790 kg

Autobild 07/07
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) 380 bhp/1570 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 10/05
8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 360 PS/1391 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 08/99
8:03 Honda NSX-R (NA1) 280 PS/1230 kg Motoharu Kurosawa
Best MOTORing 02/06 Omit the safe equipment model No Airbags No ESC No Spare tire 8:05 BMW M3 E92 420 PS/1608 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 12/07
8:06 Subaru WRX STi Spec-C 280 PS/1370 kg Motoharu Kurosawa
Best Motoring Video "NISMO Beast Unleashed"
8:07 BMW Z8 E52 400 PS/1615 kg

autobild.de 06/01
8:09 Audi RS4 420 PS

sport auto 06/2006
8:09 BMW M6 E63 507 PS/n/a Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 12/05 Sport tyres, limited to 259 km/h 8:09 Honda NSX-R 320 PS/1467 kg

Sport Auto 08/02 Sport tires, suspension modification 8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 10/97
8:11 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype 280 PS/1420 kg Takayuki Kinoshita
Best Motoring Video "Carrera Invasion"
8:13 BMW M5 E60 507 PS Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 12/04
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB


Sport Auto 10/1994
8:22* Chevrolet Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo


*manufacturer claim.
8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 280 PS/1430 kg Motoharu Kurosawa
Best Motoring Video Special DVD
8:22 BMW M3 E46 343 PS/1584 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 12/00
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/7 321 PS/1445 kg Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 10/98
8:24 Audi S5 354 PS/1718 kg *
Sport Auto 01/08
8:24 Subaru Impreza WRX STI


Sport Auto 05/04 Sport tires 8:25 Jaguar XKR
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 11/99 Sport tires 8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 11/02 Sport tires 8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe 306 PS Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 306 hp 8:26 Nissan 350Z
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 10/03
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 272 PS Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 07/97
8:32 Porsche Boxster S 252 PS Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 12/99
8:38 Honda NSX


Sport Auto, 08/97
8:39 Honda S2000
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 01/00
8:39 Mazdaspeed3(MPS) 260 PS/1403 kg Mark Ticehurst 2007 Mazda News 06/07[12]
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic 344 PS/1505 kg

Sport Auto 07/97 Crash involving civilian later in the lap 8:42 Lotus Exige
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 11/00 Sport tires 8:47 Honda Civic Type-R
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto 11/01
9:12 Jaguar S-Type Diesel
Sabine Schmitz
Top Gear Driven for an episode of Top Gear, (Series 5, Episode 5 Bridge to Gantry)[29] 10:08 Ford Transit (van)
Sabine Schmitz
Top Gear Driven for an episode of Top Gear, (Series 6, episode 7; Bridge to Gantry)

 

[astroboy]

This is what I like... u tickle Lee a little and he will turn all rocks to come up with fact and figure... I just sit back and relax to enjoy the effort. Thanks Lee..

There's a reason for FWD la.

1. car is easier to build.
2. more efficient transfer engine output to wheels, normal day to day drive la. FC also better la..
3. correctly mentioned by Lee, good in slippery road surface like gravel, snow, icy, mud..
4. maximised cabin space which is one plus point to build a "transport" machinery..

Even Volvo also get the hang of it building some of their models like 850, V70, T5, S40, S60 with FWD.. Can pakai to certain extend la..

F1 cars using FWD? this I want to see..

With high horse power pickup, RWD can be benefited by the additional rear wheel traction due to transfer of gravity to the rear during pickup. FWD will only screech... :thumpdown:

Cornering at high speed? AWD or FWD is still the best especially with the traction balancing system like in the xDrive or something.

Dunno how fast u all are driving but for me.. any drive system also good enough la..

I like using RWD because turning radius smaller, lower in maintenance (drive shaft can tahan much longer), stiffer chassis due the propeller shaft trunk thus less body flex and safer car to survive accidents..

Talking about FWD performance, both the Civic Type R (CTR) and Suzuki Swift Sport (SSS) has some very impressive performance figures. Leave the RM199k CTR out, the RM97k SSS manual can trash the 156hp 120i M-Sport on paper with an impressive 0-100 w/ 8.9s and top speed of 215kph.. scary... I think cabin space also bigger than the premium car 120i which retailed at RM220k..

Just like between auto and manual... its difficult to get manual car now in Malaysia, seriously, I still enjoy driving Manual a lot... same with FWD vs RWD, high power rear wheel drive car is dangerous for new and inexperience driver. Having said the, low power FWD suit them just nice.. maybe an Alfa.. to foster a lesser accident driving community..

 

[anaksarawak]

saw this online... just sharing

1 - 2 (2 records found)

ALFA 156 2.0 Selespeed 2000 new paint leather seat 2 a/bag 17' s/rims tip top RM47k neg. 012 - 327 3611 --14/2/2008

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ALFA ROMEO 156 Selespeed 2.0 twinspark few units leather seat nice interior low mileage price from RM4xK-RM5xK. Call 012-3168307 / 016-3366050 / 012-6673077 --7/2/2008

 

[infinityKL]

official club is the AROC malaysia.. butar Italiaauto forum is quite active too for the AR and Fiat enthusiasts... Have seen 156 V6 posted for sale

That's certainly an enjoyable car and can be made to perform very well. I have test driven it before and was given the full demo by Ron Lim. You will learn why they call it an Italian Stallion.

Thx guys.. ald in intaliaauto, wil check out aroc...

cheers... :top:

 

[masCh]

saw this online... just sharing

1 - 2 (2 records found)

ALFA 156 2.0 Selespeed 2000 new paint leather seat 2 a/bag 17' s/rims tip top RM47k neg. 012 - 327 3611 --14/2/2008

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ALFA ROMEO 156 Selespeed 2.0 twinspark few units leather seat nice interior low mileage price from RM4xK-RM5xK. Call 012-3168307 / 016-3366050 / 012-6673077 --7/2/2008

holy crap, that price is sweet

 

[tkw]

This is one very good thing Alfa Romeo has over BMW, much more bang for your bucks.. with some help from poor dealership that does the brand no favors at all.