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[Lee36328]

Yes internet traffic is money and even if BMWCM makes tons of money out of it do you think its going to benefit the forumers , definetely not...unless you are a official member of BMWCM are you only going to get that benefits... so you want to be part of the company and benefit from it you also need to buy a share in it first...

So, are you backing off from claiming expenses for my detailing clinic, or backing off from paying forummers for generating the traffic?

 

[XXX]

Lee

You keep harping on this transperancy thing as though the club is trying to hide something, so Im assuming that you think some hanky panky is going on other than passion for the club so can i also assume that the reason for you to organise the car detailing clinic other than passion was for somesort of commission for sales of products on that day...the key word here is 'Assuming'. And its bcos of all this assumptions that is making an Ass of you and me.

You very well know this site needs money to run and it is borne by the club so it is not free, and when you use it to organise the clinic there was cost involved bcos this site is not free to the club but free to you...so even it may have cost RM00.0001 it is not free.

 

[syahruln]

Who wants to join my crusade and sponsor others like Astroboy and Lee and nominate them to be committee. We need these guys to make this club a great club. They say we can make it free, so let's make it free. It would be really nice by the end of this year, we would all be able to do TT's, convoys, charity and dinners... for free. Not just any club, BMW club and it is free.

planta

I don't have that much money to spare but if it's for the future good, why not? The club now in dire need of people who can make things done, not just talk, talk and talk. If E46F, astroboy, or anybody can volunteer themselves and make this happen within 2 years of their committee term, I'm willing to sacrifice.

 

[XXX]

Lee

We are here now talking abt a club membership drive not abt traffic to this site, its been said many times the club and Forum are 2 different things.. we are not forcing every forumer here to become a member but are encouraging them to join the club...and the vehicle to advertise the club is by using this site...are we not allowing everyone to join BMWCM forum without any kind of fees? so whats this abt black and blue...just so some members here are very gung ho and try to hardsell the club not that they are making anything out of it but the passion to see this club grow.., is that a crime?...we are not putting a gun to your head and say you must be a member otherwise do not come here anymore....

 

[XXX]

I don't have that much money to spare but if it's for the future good, why not? The club now in dire need of people who can make things done, not just talk, talk and talk. If E46F, astroboy, or anybody can volunteer themselves and make this happen within 2 years of their committee term, I'm willing to sacrifice.

count me in...

 

[redbaron]

Yes since there people like astroboy,anxious and E46fanatic and this guys said that things should be free here i agree with you planta why not. This is because i love my club and this people that i have mention can get free stuff why not.

1.President: E46fanatic
2.V.President: Astroboy
3. Bendehari: Anxious

 

[Bailey]

RB, wow good line up lor ................sumore can get free stuff wor................can meeeehhhhh we vote for them ??????????? heheheheehe

 

[Lee36328]

Lee

You keep harping on this transperancy thing as though the club is trying to hide something, so Im assuming that you think some hanky panky is going on other than passion for the club so can i also assume that the reason for you to organise the car detailing clinic other than passion was for somesort of commission for sales of products on that day...the key word here is 'Assuming'. And its bcos of all this assumptions that is making an Ass of you and me.

You very well know this site needs money to run and it is borne by the club so it is not free, and when you use it to organise the clinic there was cost involved bcos this site is not free to the club but free to you...so even it may have cost RM00.0001 it is not free.

Ok, let's have this transparency then.

Allow me to address your assumption.

Detailing Clinic

Expenses
Mamak shop breakfast bill - RM 54.00

Revenue
Commission from Hypercoat - RM 0.00
(Person to verify this - Esther or anyone at Hypercoat 03-8024 4594, 03-8024 4576)

So, your turn. Calculate how much I owe you. Good to clear debts prior to lunar new year.

 

[David Yong]

Lee

You very well know this site needs money to run and it is borne by the club so it is not free, and when you use it to organise the clinic there was cost involved bcos this site is not free to the club but free to you...so even it may have cost RM00.0001 it is not free.

Yes, pls calculate how much we owe the club for attending the detailing clinic. I need to see calculation like what Lee has shown us and if it's justifiable, I will pay back the club!

 

[astroboy]

Ahemm.... if I may allowed to speak.. (I raise my hand.. ) No intention to stir further..

There are 2 extreme views that I noticed from the "discussion" and both is of different business models. It's very difficult to converge the views or opinion as both think their model is better.. jia lat... no end le, if continue like that and not good for both the club or forum.

The Club's view is obvious towards a "brick and mortar" business model, family business model and collecting subscription is their primary concern to keep the club running and the so called KPI is pointing at subscription collection. The more subscription they collect, the more "successful" the club is. This is a classical view or should I say a traditional business model. Just like golf club membership, health or fitness club membership, or even AAM subscription. No subscription, no business, tutup kedai! I do not know the history of the club/forum but it seems, the club started before the forum and forum is an avenue for attracting more subscription... that explains the "behavior" of certain official members..

Another group is talking about a contemporary internet economy model and this group obviously talking about using the forum traffic to attract advertisers as a source of income for the club. Its a 20th century business model and some has done well by providing content to gain advertisement income.

Company like Astro is worst.. subscriber pay money, yet still plenty of advertisement in the broadcast.. so they make money both side. Damn smart..

Cost for running a forum is very minimal, if not wrong only RM50 per year for domain hosting. The software and storage is provided by the service provider, I think free, if not minimal and that's why so many Google generated ads in the forum.

Running an R.O.S. registered club is a totally different story which I have no experience at all. I know V-Sixer club is a paid club. Every member need to pay RM10 (dunno one time or annual) before u even get a log in ID, fill in form, photocopy IC and with this list, the committee is running around seeking sponsors for club event, freebies, and so forth. When they do drives, all expense subsidies from petrol, tyres, food and accommodation. The member list is their most valuable asset when looking for sponsors. There's no free member in their club, obviously I didn't join because never have time to do drives with them and its troublesome to meet up with them for the actual signup. And that's a sincerity gesture of RM10, not RM300.. Still, they get a goody bag well worth above RM10 la..

XXX, I beg to differ. Public listed companies do announce their P&L and B/S to the public so before buying their share, u do know whether the company is making money of not. Of course, voting rights are only given to share holders la.. All Sdn Bhd accounts also available at the ROC. They only charge on printing if I not mistaken.. Anyway, I am not interested in your a/c because didn't pay and no intention to pay in the near future..

Meanwhile I enjoy reading and sharing information using your forum facility. For that, I give you guys a big Thank You! If the club decided to impose paid only member for the forum like the V-Sixers, you are welcome to block my ID.. no hard feelings.

I will then have to Google around for the next free forum to join.. and I'm pretty sure, plenty around. As at now, I prefer BMWCM :rock:

Just to let u know my position... if Yahoo start to impose fee for their email a/c so we get voting rights and can voice out in their meetings and influence their future direction of Yahoo.. I will not pay but switch to use GMAIL, if GMAIL decided to do the same, I will switch to Hotmail, if Hotmail decided to do the same, I have no choice but use the company mail..

I actually wanted to buy the BMWCM car sticker so I can stick to my E90 to attract more new members to the club but.... nevermind la.. scared they ask me for RM300 for the sticker.. different business model la. No right no wrong. But if too may unhappy members, I would rather have to sticker on my car than risking being scratch

Oh... if anybody were to ask me... I will tell them I am still a proud forumer of BMWCM, from my heart! :top:

 

[Lee36328]

XXX,

It is good that the club still has people with strong, agenda-free passion for the club like yourself.

Some of the fundamental questions being asked, if they are addressed completely and openly in the next AGM, would be healthy and cathartic. The club will grow to greater strength from this.

Peace. :rock:

 

[redbaron]

That why we need you to run the club astroboy. As for your membership i will pay because you very pandai maaa. We dont need pandai people but very the pandai that we need. What is RM300 haiya small change only for me la. God says the more you give for charity the more you get back,so i consider paying your membership like charity la bro. Pls let me know your bank Acc no so i can bank in the money.

 

[Lee36328]

Ahemm.... if I may allowed to speak.. (I raise my hand.. ) No intention to stir further..

There are 2 extreme views that I noticed from the "discussion" and both is of different business models. It's very difficult to converge the views or opinion as both think their model is better.. jia lat... no end le, if continue like that and not good for both the club or forum.

The Club's view is obvious towards a "brick and mortar" business model, family business model and collecting subscription is their primary concern to keep the club running and the so called KPI is pointing at subscription collection. The more subscription they collect, the more "successful" the club is. This is a classical view or should I say a traditional business model. Just like golf club membership, health or fitness club membership, or even AAM subscription. No subscription, no business, tutup kedai! I do not know the history of the club/forum but it seems, the club started before the forum and forum is an avenue for attracting more subscription... that explains the "behavior" of certain official members..

Another group is talking about a contemporary internet economy model and this group obviously talking about using the forum traffic to attract advertisers as a source of income for the club. Its a 20th century business model and some has done well by providing content to gain advertisement income.

Company like Astro is worst.. subscriber pay money, yet still plenty of advertisement in the broadcast.. so they make money both side. Damn smart..

Cost for running a forum is very minimal, if not wrong only RM50 per year for domain hosting. The software and storage is provided by the service provider, I think free, if not minimal and that's why so many Google generated ads in the forum.

Running an R.O.S. registered club is a totally different story which I have no experience at all. I know V-Sixer club is a paid club. Every member need to pay RM10 (dunno one time or annual) before u even get a log in ID, fill in form, photocopy IC and with this list, the committee is running around seeking sponsors for club event, freebies, and so forth. When they do drives, all expense subsidies from petrol, tyres, food and accommodation. The member list is their most valuable asset when looking for sponsors. There's no free member in their club, obviously I didn't join because never have time to do drives with them and its troublesome to meet up with them for the actual signup. And that's a sincerity gesture of RM10, not RM300.. Still, they get a goody bag well worth above RM10 la..

XXX, I beg to differ. Public listed companies do announce their P&L and B/S to the public so before buying their share, u do know whether the company is making money of not. Of course, voting rights are only given to share holders la.. All Sdn Bhd accounts also available at the ROC. They only charge on printing if I not mistaken.. Anyway, I am not interested in your a/c because didn't pay and no intention to pay in the near future..

Meanwhile I enjoy reading and sharing information using your forum facility. For that, I give you guys a big Thank You! If the club decided to impose paid only member for the forum like the V-Sixers, you are welcome to block my ID.. no hard feelings.

I will then have to Google around for the next free forum to join.. and I'm pretty sure, plenty around. As at now, I prefer BMWCM :rock:

Just to let u know my position... if Yahoo start to impose fee for their email a/c so we get voting rights and can voice out in their meetings and influence their future direction of Yahoo.. I will not pay but switch to use GMAIL, if GMAIL decided to do the same, I will switch to Hotmail, if Hotmail decieded to do the same, I have no choice but use the company mail..

I actually wanted to buy the BMWCM car sticker so I can stick to my E90 to attract more new members to the club but.... nevermind la.. scared they ask me for RM300 for the sticker.. different business model la. No right no wrong.

Oh... if anybody were to ask me... I will tell them I am still a proud forumer of BMWCM, from my heart! :top:

Some good points there, AB. Shows you are aware how the internet economy works, as compared with brick-and-mortar.

This is a good thread.

 

[redbaron]

David Yong Didn't you got your car polish for free because it was use for demo?

 

[affan66]

rb, don't forget my membership form and cheque yesterday ya... thanks a bunch

 

[redbaron]

No problem affan66 will give it to Fabian To night at Futsal meet up.

 

[XXX]

Astroboy

Pls be patient accounts coming out at next AGM, last year got no accounts to show yet, dont forget the club only materialise a few months back.

Anyway what i think that is not fair, here we are trying to sell something and we got people who dont want to buy it telling others , hey dont buy no good one, very expensive one other places free.., I can propose a better way to sell it...aiyooo dont want to buy keep the comments to your self if you think you can sell it better join the company as its sales manager and do a better job...and if one thinks that the product is good by all means purchase it.

 

[astroboy]

That why we need you to run the club astroboy. As for your membership i will pay because you very pandai maaa. We dont need pandai people but very the pandai that we need. What is RM300 haiya small change only for me la. God says the more you give for charity the more you get back,so i consider paying your membership like charity la bro. Pls let me know your bank Acc no so i can bank in the money.

No need sir.. what for waste ur money.. give it to charity better la if you have so much loose change. God will know and all your wishes can come true.. better still.

I know I can't do a good job running a club because u also know ma... MTB

However, if u need an extra hand in moderating the forum, u will notice that's what I'm trying to do all this while.. really don't want to see anybody get hurt in the discussion. You would notice I participated a lot in your forums but mostly is moderating in nature, rather than taking side. And for BMWCM, like the other enthusiast, I work for FREE! and to my best effort..

The few porn posting I saw last night was still there until late morning today.. I would have to something if I'm empowered to.

You'll would noticed when I joined ur TT at Aman Suria, I like to sit near u for whatever pecking order quality you may have. Everytime someone raise question on the club, committee or X-committee matter, you would try to change topic because non-paying forumer sitting next to u. I totally understand, I do feel alienated at times.. Now I know why no E90 there at your TT.. I might be wrong.

Seriously, I am more comfortable with the other TT when u are not around.. no offense. Probably its just me..:stupid:

XXX, no, don't show me your account, unless u wish to publish it.. as I hv said, not ready to participate as paid member to strive for improvement for the club... I'm just a shy forumer that has a big mouth online and want peace.. :rock:

 

[redbaron]

I noticed when I joined ur TT at Aman Suria, I like to sit near u for whatever pecking order quality you may have. Everytime someone raise question on the club, committee or X-committee matter, you would try to change topic because non-paying member sitting next to u. I totally understand, I do feel alienated at times.. Now I know why no E90 there at your TT.. I might be wrong.

For sure your are wrong. I have never practice that my friend. Stand la for election why talk when ask to do than say you cant do it. As for E90 not coming for tt that i dont know as i am here for BMW of all model and type not only for one specific model. Dont be like people say talk only no action. Talk is free but action need dedication my friend.

Seriously, I am more comfortable with the other TT when u are not around.. no offense. Probably its just me.

Good for you.

 

[planta]

Planta, I sense a good head behind those opinion, and your motivation is pure, but misguided. Seems you do not have all the facts. You may want to check with some old timers.

Thank you sir...yes my motivation is pure. For me, it is a good thing and thus strives for it. I do realize my shortcoming that is I am not well informed and may not be fully aware of what had happened. Hey, my posts are less than 300, that says it all how green I am in this forum. I will take your advice and check out with the old timers.

Before I joined, I ask RebBaron in Dec 07 that I heard negative things about the club and he told me, there are plenty negativity to talk about and he hated the club too in the past but he said he realize that you can't condemn things forever coz it is stays the way it is unless you make an effort to join and change things. In addition, I went for the Ipoh Charity drive. I experience the compassion, the car breakdowns and the fun and friendship, then I thought hey there's more than about BMWs in this club. It is like what Syahruln said earlier in this thread. “more action in real life - teamwork, friendship, challenges, etc, hence they become part of the club.” Therefore, I joined BMWCM.

I may not be able to contribute much coz I am not rich, staying in the north and busy too but I am committed to live up to the expectation as a BMWCM member. So my intention is to see BMWCM becomes a great club with its great members.

planta