A6 Hybrid vs 520d

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dark1234;809809 said:
the die hard is sold for discount not brand loyalty here :wink:.tomorrow F10 if sell for RM 268k i think all audi and merc die hard fan also come to bmw.

Agree! Being a BMW die hard fan myself, with f10 M5 wallpaper on my home desktop computer and 4 Series concept as my lockscreen on my phone, I too has jumped ship to Audi and has placed a booking for the A6 hybrid. (BTW, the booking fee is non-refundable, haven't came across non-refundable booking fee before this)

The price of the Audi A6 hybrid is simply too attractive! Anyone else thinks that the interior of Audi looks much better than the f10?
 
kuntakinte;810241 said:
The Mercs and Bimmers resale values may have just been spared more excruciating depreciation.

According to Audi, response has been so overwhelming that it's akin to some warehouse sale. Euromobil has only been allocated around 900+ units this year (not 2500 as earlier claimed). As of yesterday, my SA says there were already 650+ confirmed bookings and if the crowds in the showroom are any indication, they will turn away orders as early as next week.

Delivery is now stretched to oct nov period

The Mercs and bimmers values may have just salvaged a little bruised dignity if indeed bookings are stopped next week

Wow...just shows how much BMW /Merc is going to lose out in this price/size segment. Its actually good for us as consumers, as now BMW will be forced to up the ante with their 5er models (maybe even the 3er 328i specs) to "justify" themselves as higher premium as I believe customers in this price/size segment are not really performance enthusiasts, so the traditional bimmer strenghths easily loses out to the mouth watering specs of the a6h. So heres hoping for better specs for the 520d/i or 328i for the same price to lure customers back.
 
ya, to me the least thing bmw malaysia must respond is to introduce the 'cheapest' f10 equipped with comfort access & rearview camera or to make it more fun is to add the M sport package as standard huhu just my hope...
 
I too, initially planned for a 328i at RM300k budget allocated to me (company car). I went and see the A6h on this monday with my cheque book, and I signed my cheque for that.

My heart is totally sold for this beautiful car :)
 
maxxy;810414 said:
Agree! Being a BMW die hard fan myself, with f10 M5 wallpaper on my home desktop computer and 4 Series concept as my lockscreen on my phone, I too has jumped ship to Audi and has placed a booking for the A6 hybrid. (BTW, the booking fee is non-refundable, haven't came across non-refundable booking fee before this)

The price of the Audi A6 hybrid is simply too attractive! Anyone else thinks that the interior of Audi looks much better than the f10?

Congrats on the purchase. It's simply the best bang for the buck mid-level executive sedan. Just simply couldn't find any fault with the A6 (except maybe the smaller boot space).

Anyway, AFAIK, all booking fees should be refundable.
 
maxxy;810414 said:
Agree! Being a BMW die hard fan myself, with f10 M5 wallpaper on my home desktop computer and 4 Series concept as my lockscreen on my phone, I too has jumped ship to Audi and has placed a booking for the A6 hybrid. (BTW, the booking fee is non-refundable, haven't came across non-refundable booking fee before this)

The price of the Audi A6 hybrid is simply too attractive! Anyone else thinks that the interior of Audi looks much better than the f10?

Sounds like me haha. BMW and Audi are both great cars. In this case, the Audi is the obvious choice because you don't pay any import/excise taxes. The specs are generous and you get beautiful Audi CBU build quality on the car. I would recommend the Bose option on the A6h to fully enjoy the Audi.
 
328Sport;810470 said:
I too, initially planned for a 328i at RM300k budget allocated to me (company car). I went and see the A6h on this monday with my cheque book, and I signed my cheque for that.

My heart is totally sold for this beautiful car :)

Same situation as my friend. He was in the market for a f30 320d. I asked him to join me for a test drive of the A6h and he was immediately sold. In fact, when I was still contemplating between the 5 and A6, he was the one who kept pestering me to choose the latter. His 'you jump, I jump' theory. He's probably reading this now. :)
 
wingzee;810471 said:
Congrats on the purchase. It's simply the best bang for the buck mid-level executive sedan. Just simply couldn't find any fault with the A6 (except maybe the smaller boot space).

Anyway, AFAIK, all booking fees should be refundable.

Thanks bro, yup the boot space is awkward.

Regarding the booking fee, they make us signed on a section that states: Booking Fees are NON-Refundable. The SA told me if I did decide to cancel, the 10k can only be use for knocking off the price of the next Audi Euromobil purchase.
 
E46Fanatic;810477 said:
Sounds like me haha. BMW and Audi are both great cars. In this case, the Audi is the obvious choice because you don't pay any import/excise taxes. The specs are generous and you get beautiful Audi CBU build quality on the car. I would recommend the Bose option on the A6h to fully enjoy the Audi.

If not mistaken, additional of 5k if you opt for Bose sound system. so it will be 293k...correct me if not true
 
louiswaw;810686 said:
If not mistaken, additional of 5k if you opt for Bose sound system. so it will be 293k...correct me if not true

Not really worth the money, I've had Audi with Bose and with B&O and it's only slightly better than standard.
 
primus2211;810687 said:
Not really worth the money, I've had Audi with Bose and with B&O and it's only slightly better than standard.

If the standard is B&O, then there's no reason to "upgrade" to Bose for another 5k.. I'm very keen on this car. I'll have a test drive tomorrow.. but hope my golf set can go in the car boot..
 
maxxy;810594 said:
Thanks bro, yup the boot space is awkward.

Regarding the booking fee, they make us signed on a section that states: Booking Fees are NON-Refundable. The SA told me if I did decide to cancel, the 10k can only be use for knocking off the price of the next Audi Euromobil purchase.

Let me put it perspective for you. Vendors can dictate any terms as long as they fall within the ambit of the law and in this case, its not. It's a direct contravene of the HP Act which states that car dealers can only accept 1% deposit and refund 90% of that amount in the event of cancellation. Yes, they can argue that customers have been informed prior but the customer can also likewise justify their ignorance by not being properly informed of the Act at time of purchase. And since the car is selling so well, euromobil did not suffer any losses, you can threaten to lodge a complaint with the consumer tribunal and you have a strong case.

If you've ever bought a residential property directly from a developer, you may be aware that the sales and purchase agreement is governed by the HDA Act and is thus standard. developers are not allowed to dictate their own terms and if they do, action will be taken against them. That's the best analogy I can offer you.

So, go ahead, sign the form but when an unforeseen circumstance arise that may need you to cancel the booking, you know which Act to invoke.
 
sadly both sinks into massive depreciation when you drive it out of the showroom... but for the Audi at least it is not for the import duty!
 
GMENG;810703 said:
If the standard is B&O, then there's no reason to "upgrade" to Bose for another 5k.. I'm very keen on this car. I'll have a test drive tomorrow.. but hope my golf set can go in the car boot..

288k only for standard Audi Multimedia. No B&O
 
GMENG;810703 said:
If the standard is B&O, then there's no reason to "upgrade" to Bose for another 5k.. I'm very keen on this car. I'll have a test drive tomorrow.. but hope my golf set can go in the car boot..

The A6h doesn't come with the 1300+ watt B&O Advanced Sound System option, only Bose, due to the lack of space in the trunk for the subs and amps from what I read. Only the normal A6 gets this option which costs a whopping RM28khttp://www.audi.com.my/etc/medialib....Par.0011.File.pdf/audi_a6_3_0t_pricelist.pdf. The B&O in the Audi is my favourite option in the car, and a stark difference over the stock audio system. The RM5k Bose system option is the best alternative in the absence of the B&O.

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My friend who was at the Merc showroom two weeks ago had a call from his SA today and says for 2012 E200 stock, they will offer $60k rebate plus further freebies. The price is $303k now

Has Merc fired back the first salvo? Let's await BMW's response.
 
Hap Seng Star was selling 2012 e200 for 298k in Dec and e250 for 358k as pre reg. so there's more room to nego
kuntakinte;810787 said:
My friend who was at the Merc showroom two weeks ago had a call from his SA today and says for 2012 E200 stock, they will offer $60k rebate plus further freebies. The price is $303k now

Has Merc fired back the first salvo? Let's await BMW's response.
 
Article courtesy of bro anaksarawak which was posted in the e90 forum. Reproduced here due to its relevance to the topic

Merc seems to be very pissed

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WRITTEN BY FATIHAH RASHID, PUBLISHED ON MARCH 6, 2013 5:07 PM,
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As most Malaysians know, our country has a tax exemption for all hybrid vehicles with engine displacements of under two-litres (2,000cc), where the manufacturers of these vehicles aren't required to pay import and excise duties up to December 31 this year.
What many don't realise, however, is that this tax exemption negatively impacts those without hybrid technology, as the hybrid cars are cheaper, so consumers will opt for them instead of the non-hybrid cars that may be just as fuel efficient as their hybrid competitors.
The definition of fuel efficient vehicles in Malaysia at the moment doesn't address fuel efficiency as much as it emphasises on technology.
Any hybrid that is less than two litres is defined as fuel efficient, yet many feel that the taxation structure should be based on fuel efficiency or carbon emissions, not solely on technology used.
Instead of simply looking at the technology involved, carbon emissions and fuel efficiency should also be targeted to reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere.
As it is now, this tax exemption for hybrids only benefits the manufacturers that have the technology, and in the luxury car segment this only applies to Audi and Lexus.
Companies like Mercedes-Benz, which manufacture cars that have low carbon emissions and high fuel efficiency, will lose out to companies like Audi, as although their vehicles are environment-friendly, their vehicles don't qualify for the tax exemption because they don't utilise hybrid technology, leading people to choose their competitors who have the technology and are able offer vehicles at a cheaper price.
Vice President of Sales and Marketing, Mercedes-Benz Malaysia Passenger Cars, Kai Schlickum, suggests that Malaysia change the taxation structure, which is currently based on engine capacity and hybrid technology to be based on fuel consumption and carbon emission instead.
“Hybrid is only one way to achieve what targets everybody's setting; fuel efficiency and less pollution.
We have Blue Efficiency in every one of our cars that we offer here, in all our CKD models and CBU as well,” he said.
Most developed and developing countries in the world have a taxation structure based on fuel consumption and carbon emission, with Singapore recently forgoing their hybrid incentives in favour of a carbon emissions-based taxation structure beginning January this year.
“Singapore just got rid of their hybrid incentive; they had a hybrid incentive, and now it's carbon emission based and fuel consumption based, which is the only thing that makes sense.
Once you have that, you have a level playing field again, whereas now, the taxation structure benefits only a few, and exactly those that haven't invested millions into the economy here,” Schlickum said.
When compared with luxury hybrids, Mercedes-Benz models produce just marginally more carbon emissions than the hybrids and are just as fuel efficient, yet cost a lot more because of the hybrid tax exemption.
He also said that even though hybrids have the benefit of power, as the batteries generate instant torque, they aren't that much more fuel efficient as hybrids are weighed down by the batteries that weigh at least 100kg.
Mercedes-Benz has BlueTec diesel hybrid engines, but they can't run on Euro 2 diesel, which is the only type of diesel fuel available in Malaysia, instead they can only use Euro 4, which is why they are unable to bring the engines in for the Malaysian market.
“How can we, with confidence say we are doing our best part in Malaysia to improve the environment with the poor fuel quality available here?” Schlickum said.
Malaysia is one of the very few countries in the developed world to still use Euro 2, making it impossible for car manufacturers to bring in engines that run on clean diesel fuel.
Car manufacturers that bring diesel engines into Malaysia must get rid of their particulate filters, as the diesel currently in use in Malaysia will block the filters, and this is still very bad for the environment.
The current taxation structure results in benefits only for selected car manufacturers, loss of total potential industry volume, lost revenue for the government, no impact on the environment and a poor reputation within ASEAN, whereas adopting a new taxation structure will increase the industry volume towards fuel efficient vehicles with low carbon footprints, hence bringing in more revenue for the government as well as more car manufacturers willing to invest in Malaysia.
Schlickum said that all he, and other luxury car manufacturers want, is a level playing field, where all car manufacturers have equal opportunity to produce and provide fuel efficient vehicles, as customers are important to them, therefore must be protected, and the only way this is possible is through a level playing field, not with only a select few receiving benefits from the current system.
“The way it is at the moment is unsustainable; they're going to kill the industry,” said Schlickum.
 
i agree with the fact that the 100% tax exemption benefits those who have the hybrid tech but it is a reward for the HUGE investment made and commitment to a new technology, not just making the existing diesel tech more efficient....
 
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