Is our country safe anymore ???

[KL2DC]

On the one hand we talk about burglary and snatch thefts on the other hand we talk about large scale massacres....food for thought.

 

[ALBundy]

Yes, tell me who started talking about guns!! A pot calling a kettle black. And since there are some gun worshippers here, its only appropriate to keep them inform of how dangerous it is, for guns to be available everywhere. This can only happen in America.

 

[fabianyee]

We have agreed not to go off topic.. Let's not start again...

Cheers..

On the side note, I do agree having firearm is not the way to fight crime. As it is now, we already have a lot of smart alecs who keep finding loopholes in the system on various areas.

I recalled there were reported cases who some loose nuts ran amok with parangs and there's one with gun. The infamous one is Kenny Lee who got temporary insanity and shot a woman near the Istana Negara.

And I also don't agree than women should get pepper spray for protection. Do bear in mind that if the lady panicked and the pepper spray falls into the hands of the assailants, it turns the situation around and make it worse. Just like countersteering an oversteering car, if you're not 'trained' to countersteer, you won't know how to do it intuitively. So if you insist on equipping yourself or your woman with a weapon, make sure she knows how to handle it. Otherwise, don't.....

 

[Iqlima]

Reading an article about 'Malaysia my second home', some expatriates are worried about the rising statictics of Crime in this country.. many expats love this country and I too to a certain extend loved the harmony and lustre of this country. Is crime destroying this lovely country.


Police figures show that crime in Malaysia rose 14 percent last year to 225,836 incidents against 198,017 in 2005, and the proportion of serious crimes, such as murder, rape and armed robbery, grew by 26 percent and from what I hear the bag snatchings and other crimes are not going down too well with the expatriate community. Is Malaysia is now a place where you need to be careful. Is it not considered now to be as safe as it once was ? I do hope that this country will once again be free from all these evils. I remember there was a time when we would only read about a murder, rape, theft etc etc.... once in many months. A time when it was considered safe to park your cars in dimly lit parking lots. A time when fights occur, its only injuries that one gets. SIGH ! I do hope the situation changes... for the better of all of us.

I always go tthere for work, in damascus in the middle of the city, near the Saladin Shrine , place where government hang killer as well cut the hand of the robberry. I've been told by the local, if I left my notebook on the street , I'l find it later on the same place or somewhere easy to find (police station for example ).......we go for this ? About read in the newspaper, they need to sell and compete with others newspaper ........ and some have no other good news/information for public to buy.

 

[Zoggee]

We have agreed not to go off topic.. Let's not start again...

Cheers..

On the side note, I do agree having firearm is not the way to fight crime. As it is now, we already have a lot of smart alecs who keep finding loopholes in the system on various areas.

I recalled there were reported cases who some loose nuts ran amok with parangs and there's one with gun. The infamous one is Kenny Lee who got temporary insanity and shot a woman near the Istana Negara.

And I also don't agree than women should get pepper spray for protection. Do bear in mind that if the lady panicked and the pepper spray falls into the hands of the assailants, it turns the situation around and make it worse. Just like countersteering an oversteering car, if you're not 'trained' to countersteer, you won't know how to do it intuitively. So if you insist on equipping yourself or your woman with a weapon, make sure she knows how to handle it. Otherwise, don't.....

I know you meant well....but have you ever experience any of them at all??

FYI..I have. Even got a pistol pointed to my neck for no reason by Police.Beat up a Police Inspector before. Shot a pistol which does not belongs to Police but its a legal. Being chased by naked lady with parang, which she was damsel in distress. ( twice to be exact) Sleeps at lock up with good curry rice..yummy!!!! Have you saw gangbang in male lock up before???I've seen ppl talk as thos he knows everything but ended up being shallow. Yumchar and joking wildy with with a 50plus yr unker who turn out to be a big timer in triad up north..by the time I realized that fuuuyoh!!!I draw my line. Hey..even saw a police sharing the same stick with my friend.

and lastly...This is Malaysia. Truely Asian....still a nice place to live in if you know your way around it.. Still can find good pork to eat. haha....

well....life goes on.

 

[fabianyee]

I always go tthere for work, in damascus in the middle of the city, near the Saladin Shrine , place where government hang killer as well cut the hand of the robberry. I've been told by the local, if I left my notebook on the street , I'l find it later on the same place or somewhere easy to find (police station for example ).......we go for this ? About read in the newspaper, they need to sell and compete with others newspaper ........ and some have no other good news/information for public to buy.

Don't think any of us are requesting for that extreme. But more on having the crime rates in check by all the relevant parties. And some crimes are indication of failure of a certain system (or systems). If nothing is done, then it'll evolve to something bigger. One such thing is juvenile criminals, not forgetting the mat rempits which consisted of a lot of youths. It's not fair to label all of them as society menace but still the government needs to look into the issue from various angles: education, background, the 4W and 1H questions. Why are we getting more youths committing crimes, is there a breakdown in the education system? or is there a breakdown in the family culture?

 

[ALBundy]

All in all, if anyone thinks by allowing the general public to own firearms and hence be able to defend themselves against crime, then they are SO wrong. Thats what I am trying to say here. BY the way, United States of America has higher crime rates than the Scandinavian countries.

 

[sithwarrior]

I always go tthere for work, in damascus in the middle of the city, near the Saladin Shrine , place where government hang killer as well cut the hand of the robberry. I've been told by the local, if I left my notebook on the street , I'l find it later on the same place or somewhere easy to find (police station for example ).......we go for this ? About read in the newspaper, they need to sell and compete with others newspaper ........ and some have no other good news/information for public to buy.

HUH ?????

Newspapers compete with each other by running the most current of events. Any news papers caught falsely reporting something will be severely dealt with. They dont publish these things to get ratings, if they wanted rating they will write about favourable sexual positions ( which by the way is my favourite subject ). ..... opppssss.... I think a local daily did try something like that and got whacked kau kau.... I personally think that the newspapers are not churning out fiction in regards to this matter...

 

[JoeYazid]

.......... BY the way, United States of America has higher crime rates than the Scandinavian countries.

Albun, I don't think you will like this countries. The crime rates lower maybe because it is sex-free country ......

 

[ALBundy]

Albun, I don't think you will like this countries. The crime rates lower maybe because it is sex-free country ......

Sex free OR free sex????

 

[JoeYazid]

Sex free OR free sex????

Whaaa .... you memang 'ahli' ....... it is both 'sex free' and 'free sex'.

sex free = sugar free ..... you cannot buy openly aka .... no openly 'fark shop'
free sex ........ once agreed no-law can stop you.

 

[sithwarrior]

Whaaa .... you memang 'ahli' ....... it is both 'sex free' and 'free sex'.

sex free = sugar free ..... you cannot buy openly aka .... no openly 'fark shop'
free sex ........ once agreed no-law can stop you.

speaking from experience is it ?

 

[DingChavez]

well i do feel sorry on what happened in the states this pass few days. that's a prime example of guns falling into the wrong hands. I never did agree for just anybody to buy firearms. Strict laws have to be implemented, screening of prospective users, mental conditioning, mental test, aptitude test. all these criteria have to be met before you, a public joe, be able to carry a PDW. that said, i still think that it merits a closer consideration for people to carry PDWs.

Yes in the us, the crime rates are still high even though people can carry firearms. yes the boy who killed his mates bought the gun legally. question is, is the crime rates in the us high because of people can carry firearms or in-spite of people can carry firearms. The boy who killed his mates bought the gun legally, but was there any restrictions/test/screening that was done to him? That should never happened.

 

[Nemesis]

I think to easy to focus on the symptoms, the underlying cause was the guy felt alone, isolated and ultimately spiraled down into mental illness. Surely the local community and his family should be looking at themselves to see how he got that way and why they missed it.

 

[ALBundy]

well i do feel sorry on what happened in the states this pass few days. that's a prime example of guns falling into the wrong hands. I never did agree for just anybody to buy firearms. Strict laws have to be implemented, screening of prospective users, mental conditioning, mental test, aptitude test. all these criteria have to be met before you, a public joe, be able to carry a PDW. that said, i still think that it merits a closer consideration for people to carry PDWs.

Yes in the us, the crime rates are still high even though people can carry firearms. yes the boy who killed his mates bought the gun legally. question is, is the crime rates in the us high because of people can carry firearms or in-spite of people can carry firearms. The boy who killed his mates bought the gun legally, but was there any restrictions/test/screening that was done to him? That should never happened.

There was a background check on him when he bought your favorite gun, the 45mm Glock. Unfortunately, his medical records were not updated.

That being said, no matter what, weapons that kill more than 30 people in literally a couple of minutes should not be made available to anyone except law enforcement officers.

The notion of carrying a fiream to protect oneself is the same substance as to what makes the grass grow greener...bull shit. Try telling that to the 32 students who are dead now. What was there to protect them for a mad man!

I was in the states when Congress was debating the Brady Bill. Had the Brady Bill gone through without the compromises made (a result of NRA's intensive lobbying), thousands of lives would have been saved from the early 90s till now (check today's SUN for the statistics).

America's affection for firearms are causing plenty of deaths for sure.

 

[sithwarrior]

He may be a victim of society... That might have pushed him over the edge.. In anycase its crimes in Malaysia that we're discussing, not the US..

 

[redbaron]

one minute we said in malaysia then we copare with us and say how effective are they next one someone goes on killing spree and its back lets talk about crime in malaysia it is save now compare in the 50,60,70 and early 80s.

 

[xtracooljustin]

i quote this from Raje Petra's blog

http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/holds.php

...Yes, Pudu, Pasar Road, Bukit Bintang, Cheras; these are all out of bounds if you are Malay, especially if you are from Bangsar. In fact, Petaling Street is no better. Just the other day I was in Petaling Street and I saw one Malay chap get beaten up by two Chinese toughies. He had made the mistake of asking one street vendor the price of something. He then asked the vendor to reduce the price and when the guy did the Malay changed his mind and walked away without buying the item....

...Even Brickfields, the area neighbouring my Bangsar home, was not safe. On the way home from school one day I stopped at the Railway Club in Brickfields and one Gang 36 Chinese chap chased me with a parang. I did not have time to start my bike so I abandoned it and ran across the football field with him hot on my heels...

...Kuala Lumpur had become impossible. Malays could not stray into Chinese or Indian areas, and vice versa. I personally faced death many times when I ventured into Brickfields, Pasar Road and Bukit Bintang. I was even beaten up by four Malays in Bangsar because I did not look Malay enough. One actually pulled out a knife and when I saw it in his hand I just bolted out of there. They were chasing me for fun. I was running for my life. So definitely I ran faster.

this was wat he wrote of his life back in the 60s. i do not know how true this was as i did not live during then. But i guess its safe to say that now it is indeed much safer than the 60s. but comparing wif our closest neighbour, Singapore... far from it.

 

[DingChavez]

There was a background check on him when he bought your favorite gun, the 45mm Glock. Unfortunately, his medical records were not updated.

That being said, no matter what, weapons that kill more than 30 people in literally a couple of minutes should not be made available to anyone except law enforcement officers.

The notion of carrying a fiream to protect oneself is the same substance as to what makes the grass grow greener...bull shit. Try telling that to the 32 students who are dead now. What was there to protect them for a mad man!

I was in the states when Congress was debating the Brady Bill. Had the Brady Bill gone through without the compromises made (a result of NRA's intensive lobbying), thousands of lives would have been saved from the early 90s till now (check today's SUN for the statistics).

America's affection for firearms are causing plenty of deaths for sure.

Just a couple of corrections, the glock he bought was a glock 19, thats 9x19mm not 45mm. the medical reports was updated, had he been unwillingly put into a mental hospital back when he went for the check up, he could not have bought the guns legally. But the doctors released him to undergo outpatient care, so it does not show on the records.

Criminals will always have access to guns, legally or otherwise. take the massacare for example. whether cho gets the gun legally or illegally, that shooting was waiting to happen given his mental state and preparation. Ironically, virginia tech prohibits students from bringing guns to school. so although virginia has one of the highest gun owning population, no one in the school carried a firearm that can be used to stop cho. Sad, the rule that was supposed to protect them in the end failed them.

Check the statistics for death by gunshot for past 5 years. then compare to the statistics for death by guns bought legally. most of the killings in the us are by guns bought illegally, not by owners who owns guns legally. Had the Brady Bill gone through without the compromises made (a result of NRA's intensive lobbying), it would make much difference, because those laws stops people from purchasing guns, not criminals.

 

[ALBundy]

Just a couple of corrections, the glock he bought was a glock 19, thats 9x19mm not 45mm. the medical reports was updated, had he been unwillingly put into a mental hospital back when he went for the check up, he could not have bought the guns legally. But the doctors released him to undergo outpatient care, so it does not show on the records.

Criminals will always have access to guns, legally or otherwise. take the massacare for example. whether cho gets the gun legally or illegally, that shooting was waiting to happen given his mental state and preparation. Ironically, virginia tech prohibits students from bringing guns to school. so although virginia has one of the highest gun owning population, no one in the school carried a firearm that can be used to stop cho. Sad, the rule that was supposed to protect them in the end failed them.

Check the statistics for death by gunshot for past 5 years. then compare to the statistics for death by guns bought legally. most of the killings in the us are by guns bought illegally, not by owners who owns guns legally. Had the Brady Bill gone through without the compromises made (a result of NRA's intensive lobbying), it would make much difference, because those laws stops people from purchasing guns, not criminals.

Bottom line is this. This tragic accident could have easily been avoided if guns are not so easily available. The gun Cho used in the massacre was bought legally. So just limit the discussion to this context. He is not a criminal by any means of imagination.

The situation is very simple. Guns are easily available in America, legally or illegally. Most shooters/mad men similar to Cho used guns that are legal. Criminals wont be so stoopid to use legal guns that have their names all over!