1) High-handedness. Pls enlighten us on the manner of which we are wrist-slapped on our postings and threads. Cases as examples:i) Repeated calls of status of the shirts, only to be replied in silence. Agreed that DD have replied to some comments, but too far in between. What I was asking for, cant the person(s) involved update us every week, or every other week?? If a person (not just committee) is responsible for a task, dont the person have to answer our status query. Or simply, for accountability sake, keep the buyers informed of the status?? If u pay for something, is it not fair to ask and be kept informed of the status of the purchase?? And will this again happen to the new merchandise being sold??ii) Tsunami collection. Again, shouldnt the receipt be posted for the knowledge of those who donated, and to encourage (or shame) the others who did not?? Again, I reiterate, I didnt donate, but thats not the issue here, I have heard it asked by those who have.The issue, accountability. My concerns, If we need to ask of the status, then where is the accountability of the persons involved?? If the persons would put up info without being questioned, then the persons is deemed highly honorable and trustworthy. If we need to ask "what happened to the money??", dont the persons have to present the proof, and learn that to lead is to show by example, and not to repeat it again??My suggestion: Be wary that members are watching what the committees do, so be as transparent without being asked to do so. Some matters needs update info to be passed on to members without asking.iii) Harsh replies/strong worded replies from committees. Why is it that whenever any criticism is worded to any matter, the committees have to reply in harsh words/tones, as if we are being wrist-slapped??Dont take it personal if we asked for proof to be posted for all, its called transparency. Unfortunately, the persons happen to be committee, so we are branded unloyal for criticising the committee, and wrist-slapped by harsh comments in reply.My suggestions: PM the member, ask for clarification. Since U r the committee, the well being of the club, as well as the members are in yr hands. So if u seek to clarify, u seek to understand the greivances of the member. Then post replies in NEUTRAL tone, again seeking to clarify instead of wrist-slapping. In this manner, the committee is seen as highly respectable, instead of being high-handed. Being an office bearer is akin to being in politics, serve the people who put you in that position.2) Double-Standards.a) While there are plenty of matters going on in the forum, there have been deemed that double-standards are being applied to the policing of the threads. So what is the fine line of policing?? What is deemed to be not of the car club forum, what is?? While the committees are talking of no hijack threads, they hijack my hijackers thread too. While the committees are talking of no profanity and sick jokes, they post profanity and sick jokes too. So while they preach the merits of being strictly a car club forum, they are posting irrelevant non car club related matters too. While they mean the forum is not a social, they socialise in it too.My meaning, to what standards are the forum held too?? Pls be utmost clear, as well as the status of the General Discussions and the Autobahn. I had well meaning to start the Hijackers Thread for others to put in their two cents while not hijacking other technical threads. Too much profanity and stuff that is deemed sick, or offending to others should not be tolerated, but steps taken to avoid it should also be highlighted. Be it ther for us to learn.My suggestion: To have rules and regulations posted, to which it was done. Bravo. However, when threads are locked, deleted, members banned, pls pray tell of what the offences were, to deter other members from making the same offences. This will again not put the committees (as the moderators) in bad light as being high-handed and with double-standards.My question: When we ask to clarify what we want to know, why are we shunted and deemed as trouble makers?? Post count manipulation and PM reading comes to mind. This is not a new issue, and have been said that it cant be done. But the way the clarification was done not to everyone, but only to specific members. So why not post it up to clarify and close the matter once and for all??As most of the stuff are committee related, its unfair that we are branded as hunting for committee. There should be an avenue for us to voice our concerns, as I have here. Unfortunately, most the committees are in double roles, ie moderators, merchandisors. And thus when grievances are apparent, the committees get the complaint and they become defensive.My suggestion: Let other members, not committees, be responsible for holding events, sales of merchandise, etc. The committees will oversee, but not have a hand in the matter. This way, when a grievance appears, the committee will be the judges of the issue, and not the defendant. The committee will be deemed neutral and fair.I would like to highlight it here. I am not hunting for any position. Its just my suggestions to the committee. Its just my 2cents to try to improve the situation between the committee and us regular members, not witch hunting. Feel free to correct me. And I invite others to give their opinion, or suggestions on how to further improve the relations.I apologise in advance again to anyone who gets offended by this post, but I am guilty in wanting to improve the club. Also, as I am not as well educated, my article here may be out of context. Post yr replies and I shall clarify my mistakes.
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The above post is just my humble suggestions, to the committee.
There is no suggestions of illegal wrongdoing by anyone. This article is deemed to be my private letter to the committee, and not as any accusation to any matters done by the committee up to date.
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The above post is just my humble suggestions, to the committee.
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Oh shucks! Now, the Committee is going to have my head cos this procedure can lead to abuse. 5201, take it easy, man man lay, one issue at a time. The T-shirt issue has been addressed by DD and you must appreciate that they are in turn dependent on third parties who could be the cause of delay. Hence, there is some merit for us to be a bit patient. Updates will be good, maybe fortnightly. I think the point on lack of tact (of which I was also a victim) has been elaborately pointed out. So, I think I won't bring it up again for now. For non-related car and socialising threads, I think it's acceptable as long as it's posted in the proper section and don't offend sensitivities.
JPB,
Thnx for the update from yr side. I appreciate yr reply in this manner, as its benefitting and great reply from an-ex committee. And I do learn.
Well, I have posted my grievances, so let the matter be rested.
If i risk sounding like a broken record, let the matters be straighten here, and be a lesson/guideline for all.
Thnx for yr remarks.
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Like i said in the previous thread, please post this in the inquiries forum thank you. This forum in for members meet up. I shall be moving this thread there by end of the day.
As for the reply, we will get back to you shortly. For the Tsunami Resit, our treasurer will be posting it up at the related thread soon.
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Like i said in the previous thread, please post this in the inquiries forum thank you. This forum in for members meet up. I shall be moving this thread there by end of the day.
As for the reply, we will get back to you shortly. For the Tsunami Resit, our treasurer will be posting it up at the related thread soon.
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Juan its okie. Maybe once for all we can dispel all the misperceptions and hence nip the problem at the bud.
1) High-handedness.
Pls enlighten us on the manner of which we are wrist-slapped on our postings and threads. Cases as examples:
i) Repeated calls of status of the shirts, only to be replied in silence. Agreed that DD have replied to some comments, but too far in between. What I was asking for, cant the person(s) involved update us every week, or every other week?? If a person (not just committee) is responsible for a task, dont the person have to answer our status query. Or simply, for accountability sake, keep the buyers informed of the status?? If u pay for something, is it not fair to ask and be kept informed of the status of the purchase?? And will this again happen to the new merchandise being sold??
ii) Tsunami collection. Again, shouldnt the receipt be posted for the knowledge of those who donated, and to encourage (or shame) the others who did not?? Again, I reiterate, I didnt donate, but thats not the issue here, I have heard it asked by those who have.
The issue, accountability. My concerns, If we need to ask of the status, then where is the accountability of the persons involved?? If the persons would put up info without being questioned, then the persons is deemed highly honorable and trustworthy. If we need to ask "what happened to the money??", dont the persons have to present the proof, and learn that to lead is to show by example, and not to repeat it again??
My suggestion: Be wary that members are watching what the committees do, so be as transparent without being asked to do so. Some matters needs update info to be passed on to members without asking.
To be honest, this opinion is a little off the mark. If certain information is not made available to the members, it does not mean that the committee is not practising transparency or adhering to the principles of accountability. As I said, if any members have doubts, just ask for it and if its done tactfully, there is no reason for the committee not to divulge or provide the information requested. The onus shouldn't be on the committee. While I don't deny the fact that it would be nice to post every single receipt, account transaction and etc on the forum, it does not necessary means when its not posted, transparency and good accountability is not practised. As long as when the information is requested, and the committee can furnish the details to the members, I think that is more than enough.
iii) Harsh replies/strong worded replies from committees. Why is it that whenever any criticism is worded to any matter, the committees have to reply in harsh words/tones, as if we are being wrist-slapped??
Before we jump to any conclusion, take a look into the way the bickering in some threads by some members. Also take a look at how certain questions are asked. I don't think I have been rude if a question has been asked tactfully, but as I mentioned before you certainly can't certainly expect me to kiss and hug you when mud is being slinged to my face.
Dont take it personal if we asked for proof to be posted for all, its called transparency. Unfortunately, the persons happen to be committee, so we are branded unloyal for criticising the committee, and wrist-slapped by harsh comments in reply.
My suggestions: PM the member, ask for clarification. Since U r the committee, the well being of the club, as well as the members are in yr hands. So if u seek to clarify, u seek to understand the greivances of the member. Then post replies in NEUTRAL tone, again seeking to clarify instead of wrist-slapping. In this manner, the committee is seen as highly respectable, instead of being high-handed. Being an office bearer is akin to being in politics, serve the people who put you in that position.
Again, refer to my earlier reply. I, for sure cant see where and when any members have allegedly asked for the things you mentioned. All I see is the insinuations and that also done in a manner full of sarcasm (just read the IJRT and Hijackers thread). In fact, I have long heard about these slanderings but didnt bring it up until one member accidently made the remark "no need to start a poll, it can be rigged one". Of course, when that was brought up, I didnt hesitate to dispel this once and for all. There is more to which I have heard, but I won't bring it up, but if it ever brought up, I will not hesitate to explain.
a) While there are plenty of matters going on in the forum, there have been deemed that double-standards are being applied to the policing of the threads. So what is the fine line of policing?? What is deemed to be not of the car club forum, what is?? While the committees are talking of no hijack threads, they hijack my hijackers thread too. While the committees are talking of no profanity and sick jokes, they post profanity and sick jokes too. So while they preach the merits of being strictly a car club forum, they are posting irrelevant non car club related matters too. While they mean the forum is not a social, they socialise in it too.
My meaning, to what standards are the forum held too?? Pls be utmost clear, as well as the status of the General Discussions and the Autobahn. I had well meaning to start the Hijackers Thread for others to put in their two cents while not hijacking other technical threads. Too much profanity and stuff that is deemed sick, or offending to others should not be tolerated, but steps taken to avoid it should also be highlighted. Be it ther for us to learn.
My suggestion: To have rules and regulations posted, to which it was done. Bravo. However, when threads are locked, deleted, members banned, pls pray tell of what the offences were, to deter other members from making the same offences. This will again not put the committees (as the moderators) in bad light as being high-handed and with double-standards.
I think basically the committee has shot themselves on this issue. I agreed with you whole heartedly on this. We are being hypocrites on this since we dont adhere to the very own policies and guidelines that we ourselves has posted. As such, I think all nonsense threads which do not contribute to the club shall be deleted as we speak. Sometimes, the committee is trying to hard to please everybody and hence not realising that they have opened avenues to be unfairly criticise. Ouch...reality hurts!
My question: When we ask to clarify what we want to know, why are we shunted and deemed as trouble makers?? Post count manipulation and PM reading comes to mind. This is not a new issue, and have been said that it cant be done. But the way the clarification was done not to everyone, but only to specific members. So why not post it up to clarify and close the matter once and for all??
As most of the stuff are committee related, its unfair that we are branded as hunting for committee. There should be an avenue for us to voice our concerns, as I have here. Unfortunately, most the committees are in double roles, ie moderators, merchandisors. And thus when grievances are apparent, the committees get the complaint and they become
PM reading, post count manipulation and polls rigging and etc....was it ever brought up in the forum officially?? Let's be fair here and get the facts right. Before you point fingers, its important to get the facts right. Its too long for me to elaborate here, but if certain members who constantly feed the rumours mills and sent it working overtime are not deemed to be trouble makers, then what is? Dun keep on harping on the lack of avenues for voicing your grievances and put the onus on the committee, it aint working on me and neither do I buy it. The fact is, this forum is an avenue by itself but NONE of you guys ever brought it up officially but rather prefer to spread rumours and continuously bad mouthed the committee, when the facts/issues are not even properly investigated. Again, please read the IJRT and Hijackers' thread and read the insinuations. Remember, it takes two to tango!
Rgds
1) High-handedness.
Pls enlighten us on the manner of which we are wrist-slapped on our postings and threads. Cases as examples:
i) Repeated calls of status of the shirts, only to be replied in silence. Agreed that DD have replied to some comments, but too far in between. What I was asking for, cant the person(s) involved update us every week, or every other week?? If a person (not just committee) is responsible for a task, dont the person have to answer our status query. Or simply, for accountability sake, keep the buyers informed of the status?? If u pay for something, is it not fair to ask and be kept informed of the status of the purchase?? And will this again happen to the new merchandise being sold??
ii) Tsunami collection. Again, shouldnt the receipt be posted for the knowledge of those who donated, and to encourage (or shame) the others who did not?? Again, I reiterate, I didnt donate, but thats not the issue here, I have heard it asked by those who have.
The issue, accountability. My concerns, If we need to ask of the status, then where is the accountability of the persons involved?? If the persons would put up info without being questioned, then the persons is deemed highly honorable and trustworthy. If we need to ask "what happened to the money??", dont the persons have to present the proof, and learn that to lead is to show by example, and not to repeat it again??
My suggestion: Be wary that members are watching what the committees do, so be as transparent without being asked to do so. Some matters needs update info to be passed on to members without asking.
To be honest, this opinion is a little off the mark. If certain information is not made available to the members, it does not mean that the committee is not practising transparency or adhering to the principles of accountability. As I said, if any members have doubts, just ask for it and if its done tactfully, there is no reason for the committee not to divulge or provide the information requested. The onus shouldn't be on the committee. While I don't deny the fact that it would be nice to post every single receipt, account transaction and etc on the forum, it does not necessary means when its not posted, transparency and good accountability is not practised. As long as when the information is requested, and the committee can furnish the details to the members, I think that is more than enough.
iii) Harsh replies/strong worded replies from committees. Why is it that whenever any criticism is worded to any matter, the committees have to reply in harsh words/tones, as if we are being wrist-slapped??
Before we jump to any conclusion, take a look into the way the bickering in some threads by some members. Also take a look at how certain questions are asked. I don't think I have been rude if a question has been asked tactfully, but as I mentioned before you certainly can't certainly expect me to kiss and hug you when mud is being slinged to my face.
Dont take it personal if we asked for proof to be posted for all, its called transparency. Unfortunately, the persons happen to be committee, so we are branded unloyal for criticising the committee, and wrist-slapped by harsh comments in reply.
My suggestions: PM the member, ask for clarification. Since U r the committee, the well being of the club, as well as the members are in yr hands. So if u seek to clarify, u seek to understand the greivances of the member. Then post replies in NEUTRAL tone, again seeking to clarify instead of wrist-slapping. In this manner, the committee is seen as highly respectable, instead of being high-handed. Being an office bearer is akin to being in politics, serve the people who put you in that position.
Again, refer to my earlier reply. I, for sure cant see where and when any members have allegedly asked for the things you mentioned. All I see is the insinuations and that also done in a manner full of sarcasm (just read the IJRT and Hijackers thread). In fact, I have long heard about these slanderings but didnt bring it up until one member accidently made the remark "no need to start a poll, it can be rigged one". Of course, when that was brought up, I didnt hesitate to dispel this once and for all. There is more to which I have heard, but I won't bring it up, but if it ever brought up, I will not hesitate to explain.
a) While there are plenty of matters going on in the forum, there have been deemed that double-standards are being applied to the policing of the threads. So what is the fine line of policing?? What is deemed to be not of the car club forum, what is?? While the committees are talking of no hijack threads, they hijack my hijackers thread too. While the committees are talking of no profanity and sick jokes, they post profanity and sick jokes too. So while they preach the merits of being strictly a car club forum, they are posting irrelevant non car club related matters too. While they mean the forum is not a social, they socialise in it too.
My meaning, to what standards are the forum held too?? Pls be utmost clear, as well as the status of the General Discussions and the Autobahn. I had well meaning to start the Hijackers Thread for others to put in their two cents while not hijacking other technical threads. Too much profanity and stuff that is deemed sick, or offending to others should not be tolerated, but steps taken to avoid it should also be highlighted. Be it ther for us to learn.
My suggestion: To have rules and regulations posted, to which it was done. Bravo. However, when threads are locked, deleted, members banned, pls pray tell of what the offences were, to deter other members from making the same offences. This will again not put the committees (as the moderators) in bad light as being high-handed and with double-standards.
I think basically the committee has shot themselves on this issue. I agreed with you whole heartedly on this. We are being hypocrites on this since we dont adhere to the very own policies and guidelines that we ourselves has posted. As such, I think all nonsense threads which do not contribute to the club shall be deleted as we speak. Sometimes, the committee is trying to hard to please everybody and hence not realising that they have opened avenues to be unfairly criticise. Ouch...reality hurts!
My question: When we ask to clarify what we want to know, why are we shunted and deemed as trouble makers?? Post count manipulation and PM reading comes to mind. This is not a new issue, and have been said that it cant be done. But the way the clarification was done not to everyone, but only to specific members. So why not post it up to clarify and close the matter once and for all??
As most of the stuff are committee related, its unfair that we are branded as hunting for committee. There should be an avenue for us to voice our concerns, as I have here. Unfortunately, most the committees are in double roles, ie moderators, merchandisors. And thus when grievances are apparent, the committees get the complaint and they become
PM reading, post count manipulation and polls rigging and etc....was it ever brought up in the forum officially?? Let's be fair here and get the facts right. Before you point fingers, its important to get the facts right. Its too long for me to elaborate here, but if certain members who constantly feed the rumours mills and sent it working overtime are not deemed to be trouble makers, then what is? Dun keep on harping on the lack of avenues for voicing your grievances and put the onus on the committee, it aint working on me and neither do I buy it. The fact is, this forum is an avenue by itself but NONE of you guys ever brought it up officially but rather prefer to spread rumours and continuously bad mouthed the committee, when the facts/issues are not even properly investigated. Again, please read the IJRT and Hijackers' thread and read the insinuations. Remember, it takes two to tango!
Rgds
I was the culprit who "accidentally" brought up the subject mentioned. This matter was clarified by fabianyee and it is settled and close.
FYI, it was "null vote" button which some of the newbie are unaware of it function. This button was supposed to opt for not voting and to view the result. However some of them are unaware that they cannot vote after they click this button.
It was albundy and fabian quick action that help to dispel any misconception about the poll rigging.
Sorry for the accidental postings.
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Wow! Tribute to everyone here for carrying this discussion nicely and beneficially. I respect Jarence's admission (U da Man!) and Bundy's clarification that the matter is a past issue. I also don't agree with deleting all "non-sensical" threads if its just playful banter but those who advocate there's been double-standards are putting the mods in a difficult situation so I can understand why Bundy has been put in this dilemma. Let's only remove threads that are "harmful". Let's also not bring up the double-standards issue anymore to avoid drastic consequences.
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Apologies for the mistake. i have moved this to the Club enquiries since all enquiries are club related issues. The site inquiries is basically for enquiries base on the web site (forum).
Please response positively without being sarcastic.
Thanks for your understanding.
Please response positively without being sarcastic.
Thanks for your understanding.
Thnx for all the replies, I shall read them carefully to comprehend it.
Alvin and Jeff, thanx for the offer to put up the receipt. Finally, it is up, after me asking for it, yet being reprimanded for asking while I did not donate, to be read as insinuating wrong doings of the committee. And yet, I was told to ask if I want clarification, so do I not have a right to ask to see the receipt even if I did not donate?? For those of you who asked, please take it as being settled, upon seeing the receipt.
As for us not able to word our questions tactfully, then it is our fault that we got the wrath of the ever eloquent committees. So, pls refer to the dictionary or refer to anyone who have better command of the English vocabulary to help word our questions. So its our own fault.
As the matter of questions not seen in the threads by the committees, and yet sarcasm can be found, it is again our fault that our intentions and questions cannot be seen. Thus, we shall keep the thoughts to ourselves in the future.
And yet, to get our facts right, dont we ask questions like I have here, only to be greeted by more "look at yourself first" questions back at me??? Since it is evident that I cant get more enlightenment from wanting to get the facts right, I shall let it be. It is my idea for the committee to set the record straight here, only to be greeted with more sardonic replies.
Thnx to AL, JPB, Jarance, Alvin, for yr input in this.
This matter shall be laid to rest, but only by me, I am sure that these issues will be brought up again if not answered clearly.
Alvin and Jeff, thanx for the offer to put up the receipt. Finally, it is up, after me asking for it, yet being reprimanded for asking while I did not donate, to be read as insinuating wrong doings of the committee. And yet, I was told to ask if I want clarification, so do I not have a right to ask to see the receipt even if I did not donate?? For those of you who asked, please take it as being settled, upon seeing the receipt.
As for us not able to word our questions tactfully, then it is our fault that we got the wrath of the ever eloquent committees. So, pls refer to the dictionary or refer to anyone who have better command of the English vocabulary to help word our questions. So its our own fault.
As the matter of questions not seen in the threads by the committees, and yet sarcasm can be found, it is again our fault that our intentions and questions cannot be seen. Thus, we shall keep the thoughts to ourselves in the future.
And yet, to get our facts right, dont we ask questions like I have here, only to be greeted by more "look at yourself first" questions back at me??? Since it is evident that I cant get more enlightenment from wanting to get the facts right, I shall let it be. It is my idea for the committee to set the record straight here, only to be greeted with more sardonic replies.
Thnx to AL, JPB, Jarance, Alvin, for yr input in this.
This matter shall be laid to rest, but only by me, I am sure that these issues will be brought up again if not answered clearly.
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Hmmm…….how do I start this? It’s logical for the public to see or understand the functions of an office bearer. Give all your heart but they see only your faults. But the reasoning for deletion or bullying tactics isn't called for,that is the type of thing I would resort too since I am just a servant unlike some who manages companies and such. Think of how you would like to be treated and treat forums as such. If this statement makes some of the committee members irate or feel that it isn’t proper, apologies are in order. KHS is a nice man in a fatherly sort of way, I know that his ranting has become like a broken record and it was time to put it to the end. Coming up with personal attacks isn’t the way to go is it? Didn’t go for the Queens English so forgive the rudeness of my writing. Wrong doers shall be brought to justice after their case has been heard and passed judgment not send them up to the brig without it. You want to penalized, do so it an appropriate manner. Civility is a rarity these days, being office bears it is impartial of you to maintain civility but not the other way around as an good example. I don’t know who Mr. Wong Kah Keen is referring to but I am one of the regulars in IJRT and founding Members of Hijacker Incorp, yes I didn’t do a thing for the club and shall remain not going to do so because of my low placement in life doesn’t permit me. Thus non-contributors shall be force out and seeing this I shall remove myself from the forum.
Been a laugh guys & Godspeed………..k:
Been a laugh guys & Godspeed………..
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Fuiyooo....sarcasm overflowing...I like!!
I think maybe my england not powderful enough, but at least unker 2 cents can comprehend it, I think its adequate for most of you to understand it. Maybe for once, one should try to differentiate the term between "asking/seeking for enlightenment" and "accusing/pointing fingers"!! Something is very wrong here and I, for sure cant comprehend the flow of thoughts here. Fingers are pointed and accusations are hurled without getting the facts correctly! You don't accused someone and later claimed you did so because you wanted the truth!
I think for someone to have doubts in the integrity of the committee, this already shown a heavy dosage of mala fide. Last but not least, sorry for my ignorance that I didnt know you were appointed to be the spokesman for a few philantrophists that donated to the tsunami fund, pardon me but may I asked who are you representing? :nyehehe: :nyehehe:
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I think maybe my england not powderful enough, but at least unker 2 cents can comprehend it, I think its adequate for most of you to understand it. Maybe for once, one should try to differentiate the term between "asking/seeking for enlightenment" and "accusing/pointing fingers"!! Something is very wrong here and I, for sure cant comprehend the flow of thoughts here. Fingers are pointed and accusations are hurled without getting the facts correctly! You don't accused someone and later claimed you did so because you wanted the truth!
I think for someone to have doubts in the integrity of the committee, this already shown a heavy dosage of mala fide. Last but not least, sorry for my ignorance that I didnt know you were appointed to be the spokesman for a few philantrophists that donated to the tsunami fund, pardon me but may I asked who are you representing? :nyehehe: :nyehehe:
Rgds
Again, points are being read and comprehended to how the reader wants to understand it.
At no time was I pointing fingers at the integrity of the committee. I did not at any point of time accuse anyone, or name anyone, of illegal activities.
I asked to be updated with the status of the shirts, and then suggested that the persons responsible for future merchandising to at least keep the future buyers informed of the status. It was a suggestion, thats all.
Also, for the receipt matter, I was merely asking for the committee to be more transparent abt it, by all means, dont show the receipt. Let the people who donated ask for it, or forever shut up about it. As for their identities, please own up to who have asked to see the receipt.
All the while, I was suggesting that the committee be above the board in handling with monetary matters. Does this amount to finger pointing and accusations of illegal wrong-doing.
Also, since we had to ask for clarifications, dont we have a right in getting a decent reply??? And if we had to ask, do u think there are already suspicion on why the matter was not clarified in the first place.
I was being ahead of my time, and its none of my business how the committee works. As a leader, one have to demonstrate the vision and the integrity. If the members have to ask for the vision and proof of integrity, the leader have failed in its leadership role.
I applaud all the hardwork the committee have put in bringing the club to where it is, and all my best wishes (since my suggestions amounts to finger pointing) to the club's future.
At no time was I pointing fingers at the integrity of the committee. I did not at any point of time accuse anyone, or name anyone, of illegal activities.
I asked to be updated with the status of the shirts, and then suggested that the persons responsible for future merchandising to at least keep the future buyers informed of the status. It was a suggestion, thats all.
Also, for the receipt matter, I was merely asking for the committee to be more transparent abt it, by all means, dont show the receipt. Let the people who donated ask for it, or forever shut up about it. As for their identities, please own up to who have asked to see the receipt.
All the while, I was suggesting that the committee be above the board in handling with monetary matters. Does this amount to finger pointing and accusations of illegal wrong-doing.
Also, since we had to ask for clarifications, dont we have a right in getting a decent reply??? And if we had to ask, do u think there are already suspicion on why the matter was not clarified in the first place.
I was being ahead of my time, and its none of my business how the committee works. As a leader, one have to demonstrate the vision and the integrity. If the members have to ask for the vision and proof of integrity, the leader have failed in its leadership role.
I applaud all the hardwork the committee have put in bringing the club to where it is, and all my best wishes (since my suggestions amounts to finger pointing) to the club's future.
do u guys know how long dis thang can go on? no endin ... just save it fer dialogue session, more interactive ....
its just like if i were to hev a problem wiv my car ....
scenario 1) post a thread, wait fer a reply, then another addendum by another fellow forummer, n so on n so forth.
scenario 2) call up a fren, meet up, ask him to diagnose yer problematic car ...
which one dya prefer?
at the mo, just hang loose ler ..... without prejudice to anyone in particular... MALAYSIA BOLEH!
oh yes, come, come, lets make BBQ event another successful event fer us, heh
rgds, B)
kahar abdullah
its just like if i were to hev a problem wiv my car ....
scenario 1) post a thread, wait fer a reply, then another addendum by another fellow forummer, n so on n so forth.
scenario 2) call up a fren, meet up, ask him to diagnose yer problematic car ...
which one dya prefer?
at the mo, just hang loose ler ..... without prejudice to anyone in particular... MALAYSIA BOLEH!
oh yes, come, come, lets make BBQ event another successful event fer us, heh
rgds, B)
kahar abdullah
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Hartge : Take it easy . Lets do this for US . THE CLUB. KOriginally posted by mrhartge@Apr 11 2005, 07:02 PM
Hmmm…….how do I start this? It’s logical for the public to see or understand the functions of an office bearer. Give all your heart but they see only your faults. But the reasoning for deletion or bullying tactics isn't called for,that is the type of thing I would resort too since I am just a servant unlike some who manages companies and such. Think of how you would like to be treated and treat forums as such. If this statement makes some of the committee members irate or feel that it isn’t proper, apologies are in order. KHS is a nice man in a fatherly sort of way, I know that his ranting has become like a broken record and it was time to put it to the end. Coming up with personal attacks isn’t the way to go is it? Didn’t go for the Queens English so forgive the rudeness of my writing. Wrong doers shall be brought to justice after their case has been heard and passed judgment not send them up to the brig without it. You want to penalized, do so it an appropriate manner. Civility is a rarity these days, being office bears it is impartial of you to maintain civility but not the other way around as an good example. I don’t know who Mr. Wong Kah Keen is referring to but I am one of the regulars in IJRT and founding Members of Hijacker Incorp, yes I didn’t do a thing for the club and shall remain not going to do so because of my low placement in life doesn’t permit me. Thus non-contributors shall be force out and seeing this I shall remove myself from the forum.
Been a laugh guys & Godspeed………..
Every one of us have been to some extent contributing towards the club. Even being an active forummer is also a form of contributing . I guess this thread was started to iron out all the friction going on here .
And yes some rreplies and question can be disturbing , well lets take it wih a pinch of salt. I dont think any of us hold any grudges with each other here . Like i have always said we are all in this together. There a alot of them out there that cant contribute due to personal reasons. Please guys its not a must. Participation in the forum also is a form of your service to the club.
Even when one says " I am one of the BMW Club Malaysia members " is a form of doing something for the club. People do recognise .
I suggest we handle this questions and replies as education to make this club a happier place, if we dont we are fighting a futile war .
As one of the office bearers , i have to say i am overwhelmed by your dedication towards the club . Because i too love this club and i have met alot of friends here whom have been very fun to be with .
So shall i say that this thread should lead us closer and make us work more comfortable hand in hand to achive that ONE thing we all want .
All of us are great people . Thats why we are here together .
Wah u guys can really write ...
* Satu botol besar tiger for Hartge *
Cheers to all .
Juan Powerblow
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Sorry to keep this going on but oni got one thing to say, Mr. Hartge, I really don't want you to go! You've been very entertaining. I've downloaded your countless avatars and sigs cos they're so darn cool. Please don't go!
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