Anyone using Castrol Edge Sport 0w40

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Spaceman;413799 said:
Australia is having the same edge sport 0w40 as us. thought i can bring some 0w30 Edge sport from Australia.

http://www.castroledge.com.au/product/product_0w40.php

How are you going to bring the oil on board the aircraft? Definitely not inside the cabin. It is categorised under dangerous goods. Proper packaging and inspection is vital if you want to put it inside the cargo hold.
 
funfer_fahrer;413514 said:
Syntium gives the sand paper effect. Engine very rough and noisy. I hated it since day one.

Helix makes the engine feel heavy. I didn't notice the fuel consumption.

This is what I have to say about Castrol:
0W-30 is my favourite. Very silky and engine runs very quietly although having an SJ rating. The only snag is that I had to top up frequently.

5w-40 is smooth but not silky. Engine still quiet. No evaporation loss after 14,000km. Engine oil doesn't turn dark after 14,000km. The best balance between protection and performance.

0W-40. I haven't tried yet but looking forward to it.


bro, did you use the m'sia made SLX 0w30 last time as per my pics? or the German Castrol u mean?

Today saw the Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 is BMW LL-01 approved. not the viscosity i like..
 
Spaceman;413976 said:
bro, did you use the m'sia made SLX 0w30 last time as per my pics? or the German Castrol u mean?

Today saw the Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 is BMW LL-01 approved. not the viscosity i like..

Try Havoline 5W-30 bro ... it's LL01 approved and imo better than castrol edge 5W-40
 
found the GC 0w30 from a seller based in Australia. how can we ship the oil to boleh land?
 
Spaceman;413976 said:
bro, did you use the m'sia made SLX 0w30 last time as per my pics? or the German Castrol u mean?

Today saw the Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 is BMW LL-01 approved. not the viscosity i like..

I was using the M'sia made SLX 0W-30.
 
A few bits to help your understanding:

The Castrol SLX 0W-30 you're talking about is not necessarily made in Malaysia. It may be blended elsewhere, imported in bulk and packaged here, or even packaged elsewhere. The source of the base oil could be anywhere in the world. We don't have a base oils industry here, but the Petronas Melaka SP2 refinery was only recently commissioned, and I believe has a hydrocracker producing G-III base oil. The global nature of the Oil & Gas industry is not straightforward.

If you want to move out of Helix Ultra AB and Syntium 3000, do check the product code and research it. Havoline is a Chevron brand, ie. a US product. The international fully synth Havolines are probably G-IV oils, but the US fully synth Havoline is a G-III. If the product spec says something like 'Hydrotreated Paraffinic Distillate', it's a G-III mineral oil. That's chemical gobbledegook for 'mineral oil refined by hydrocracking'. If the spec says 'Polyalphaolefin' or 'PAO', it's a G-IV fully synthesized oil.

Use Helix and Syntium as the pricing benchmarks. If you think you've found an imported fully synth which is 60-80% the price of Helix/Syntium, don't assume you've found a good bargain. You've probably found an expensive imported G-III semi synth, whose real price is 30-40% of Helix/Syntium. :wink:
 
wow, thank you bro Schwepps for such informative post...u know a lot more than many of us here.
 
My pleasure Spaceman. My intention is just to help you see through the marketing smoke and mirrors of lubricating oil blenders. There's no magic involved, and if you break down the process you'll understand why different oils appear to have different properties.

They start with the base oil: a G-III, or G-IV, or GIII+GIV, or GII+GIII. They're homogenous when purchased from the producers, especially G-IVs. Then they add a cocktail of additives depending on what product characteristics they want to achieve. There are the detergents, dispersants, anti-oxidants, anti-foamants, etc. Then they achieve the target viscosity with viscosity modifiers, which are polymer thickeners. So they get the hot weight (eg 30 or 40W) which is the weight at car operating temp of 100C. This is the important figure.

Then they add Pour Point Depressants to achieve the cold weight (eg 0 or 5W) which determines the viscosity when you start the car. Pour Point is the temp at which the oil solidifies. At the risk of being flamed again :) 0W is really for arctic conditions. As we are about as far as one can get from the arctic circle, 10W is fine for us, even 5W is overkill. OW is marketed because it appeals to our kiasu-ness (lower must be better wor), but you're really just paying for PPD you don't need.

Then they add the friction modifiers, eg zinc and Molybdenum compounds. That's why some oils feel 'smoother' than others. But there's a drawback, the heavier the friction modifiers, the heavier the pollution emitted and the shorter the life of your catalytic converter.

So there's really no magic involved - it's a chemical cocktail mix. The most important consideration is - what's the base oil. That determines the longevity and sludge risk. The rest are 'feel good' factors.

No, I'm not a chemical engineer or O&G man. I just have an interest in marketing models, and the O&G models are among the most interesting around. :wink:
 
So the base oil is what we need to know then, but its difficult to tell from just reading the labels for a normal ppl..

A fully synthetic oil normally comes in 0wxx, 5wxx, and maybe 10wxx. Anything more than say 15wxx maybe considered as semi synthetic i believe from what i can observe on the display shelf.
And i also believe as the more advanced 'technology' used to produce an oil the lower the viscosity?
 
ALBundy;413192 said:
I have tried all the three variants (10-60, 5-40 and 0-40), courtesy of Castrol Malaysia who gave me a couple of bottles to tried out before they launched it.

For me, the 0-40W Edge is awesome. Not only has fuel consumption improved, but the engine revs seemed to pick up faster based on the butt dyno. :top:

I met En. Shukor and other Castrol staff during the recent Fast N Furious premiere and they are keen to have another Oil Talk like what we did previously.

Will keep you all posted.

Cheers :)

Would appreciate to hear very soon as I missed the last Oil Talk by Castrol. Thanks.
 
funfer_fahrer;414003 said:
I was using the M'sia made SLX 0W-30.

why have you switched to another brand since your feedback is good? are you using the edge sport 0w40 now? care to share? :top:
 
Spaceman;414029 said:
So the base oil is what we need to know then, but its difficult to tell from just reading the labels for a normal ppl..

You can't tell from the labels, or even the websites, because they'll use fancy words to go around it. But generally if the product is a G-IV, they won't hide it. The only way is to search for specs on the internet based on the product code. Price benchmarking with Helix Ultra AB and Syntium 3000 is also a reasonable way.

Spaceman;414029 said:
A fully synthetic oil normally comes in 0wxx, 5wxx, and maybe 10wxx. Anything more than say 15wxx maybe considered as semi synthetic i believe from what i can observe on the display shelf.
And i also believe as the more advanced 'technology' used to produce an oil the lower the viscosity?

You didn't read my thread Spaceman! :( Any G-II, G-III or G-IV oil can be 0Wxx, 5Wxx, 10Wxx or 15Wxx. It only depends on what amounts of polymer thickeners are added to hit the hot W, and what amounts of Pour Point Depressants are added to hit the cold W. There's no 'production technology' involved. Don't use the multigrade range as a yardstick. As an analogy, that would be like saying a hotter curry means a better cook. How hot a curry is only depends on how much curry powder you put in.
 
Schwepps;414041 said:
You didn't read my thread Spaceman! :( Any G-II, G-III or G-IV oil can be 0Wxx, 5Wxx, 10Wxx or 15Wxx. It only depends on what amounts of polymer thickeners are added to hit the hot W, and what amounts of Pour Point Depressants are added to hit the cold W. There's no 'production technology' involved. Don't use the multigrade range as a yardstick. As an analogy, that would be like saying a hotter curry means a better cook. How hot a curry is only depends on how much curry powder you put in.

oh yea, i remember that i once asked about the 5w30 by Perodua is a semi synthetic oil...pai seh...
 
The role of marketing is to link all the components together to make you believe a particular brand or product proposition. I'm trying to break the components apart to help you go behind the marketing. The O&G world is particularly complex and interesting. They all cross-buy and sell. Take a particular oil. Who makes the base oil? Who knows...could be any producer in the world. Who makes the additives - Dow? 3M? Who blends and packages it? Could be the company itself, could be completely outsourced to a blender anywhere.

Base PAO is by nature homogeneous. Base G-II and G-III are reasonably homogeneous. No matter where they're produced. So there are no differences due to 'production technology'. The only differences arise from the type and amount of additives added to make up the product.

Indian curries, Malay curries and Chinese curries all taste different only because the ingredients added are different, and in different amounts. But the base santan is the same santan, from the same hypermarket. :D
 
i think its highly i will use the new Genuine BMW 0w40 Long Life oil, this will solve all dilemma and drama i might have in the future, blaming this blaming that...so i can just blame BMW! kekekekee....

This is a new oil that this dealer just stock up, so will try it..
 
There's a new genuine BMW 0W-40 LL in town? Tell us about it - which dealer, what price, etc :)
 
the dealer will get back to me on monday.

meanwhile, another BMW stokist in S'pore confirmed today that they have the Genuine BMW 0w40 LL-04 for SGD18/ litre.
 
Spaceman;414040 said:
why have you switched to another brand since your feedback is good? are you using the edge sport 0w40 now? care to share? :top:

Someone I knew who worked in Petronas advised me to go for Syntium since it had SM rating. At that point, Castrol SLX had SJ rating. Now, I am using Castrol 5W-40. I just made an oil change for the same type 2 days ago. If I waited a little while longer, I might have the chance of trying Castrol 0W-40.
 
funfer_fahrer;414092 said:
Someone I knew who worked in Petronas advised me to go for Syntium since it had SM rating. At that point, Castrol SLX had SJ rating. Now, I am using Castrol 5W-40. I just made an oil change for the same type 2 days ago. If I waited a little while longer, I might have the chance of trying Castrol 0W-40.

The SLX that i have now as pictured is API SM/CF rating too. Did you notice it? BTW, what does SJ & SM mean?
 
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