Unauthorised transaction charged to my Credit Card

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johnj;443214 said:
Recently, after a trip back from Thailand, HSBC called me the very next day and asked if I had done an online transaction to buy some stuff from US, I said no and they said most probably your card is cloned. I remembered using it to pay for a dinner in Thai. Anyway, they issued a new card and cancelled the old one. I have been using HSBC for the last 10 years or so and have found no problems with them. Any purchase made above 2k, they call you to confirm.

In addition, HSBC will call you when they detect abnormal transaction. Like when you're trending in the low hundreds, then suddenly a RM1K transaction, they will call.

On another note, I actually used my HSBC credit card like 7 times for purchasing my kids' milk-powder at a hypermarket when it was on sale (expiry in 2011, so can stock up a bit). Due to the hypermarket's restriciton, each transaction is limited to 3 packets only. So, the same amount was repeated 7 times. On the 4th time, I got a call from the bank asking me if I was really making such purchase and if not, they will reject the approvals and block my card.

Now, that is what I call efficient! :top:
 
Hmmm...this cloning stuff is still around. I thought the 'thieves' would have moved on to larger scams already. Ive been hit from all fronts several times...as a personal card user (cloned 6-7 times).. as a business unit...ive been scammed several times too...both through 'edc' and 'moto' but mostly through moto transactions. In fact ive still got an unsettled case pending for over rm 60k which the bank claimed back from my previous company even after making payments to the merchant. Apparently they can recall monies for fraudalent transactions dating back to a total of 180 days. Better watch out especially those accepting monies online and over the phone.
 
MSport;443218 said:
In addition, HSBC will call you when they detect abnormal transaction. Like when you're trending in the low hundreds, then suddenly a RM1K transaction, they will call.

On another note, I actually used my HSBC credit card like 7 times for purchasing my kids' milk-powder at a hypermarket when it was on sale (expiry in 2011, so can stock up a bit). Due to the hypermarket's restriciton, each transaction is limited to 3 packets only. So, the same amount was repeated 7 times. On the 4th time, I got a call from the bank asking me if I was really making such purchase and if not, they will reject the approvals and block my card.

Now, that is what I call efficient! :top:

Msport, I got away with the "limited to 3 packets per transaction thing" with Giant Hypermart. I told the girl, do you want to do your job 12 times or 1 just time? **cos I bought 3 cartons of baby formula** hehehe
 
sorry to hear this...

i never got my 5K refunded for my email fraud about a year ago...maybank just simply pushed it back to me - negligence :(

agreed, but they still refuse to give me an explanation on where the money was transfered to..? why..?

filed a report wt FMB - still pending investigation...

Cops - no need to say la.. police report is so important to all parties when we go for a dispute, but WTF for is this report, no response at all on the status..

its just sad...
 
A friend teach me a trick.. I'm supposed to keep it for personal use when needed but what the heck.. don't think I would pull such a stunt, why don't I share it with all here ... :D Thank me later. :wink:

Take a hard and share object to scratch and damage your chip on the credit card, then the merchant will complain and tell u that the card is damaged, cannot use and if u have another card. Tell the merchant that's your only card and "authorise" the merchant to do a manual transaction by punching in the CVV code.

It will go thru and after that, wait until the statement come and fill in a dispute form. You can get away with it.. :p

Now really need to get back to work.. :(
 
XXX;443190 said:
...I lost my card or more so left it behind at the counter of BHP in Kg. Kayu Ara, only discovered a few days later that its not with me and reported..trace back to BHP as the last place I used. Statement came ,got 4 transaction all at BHP for RM50 per transaction, call up bank as to why they never capture it...they say bcos its done at counter and not at pump but I said its still a petrol station so when do they know whether its for petrol or other things...they insisted I had to pay up as they had proof that i used it and send me copies of the transaction slip, guess what? all 4 transaction slip not even one is my signature and the best part is all 4 different signature..wtf!
Made a big hooha and threatened them that I will write to Bank Negara bla bla bla..and then only they say out of goodwill they will waive it...actually there is a clause by Bank Negara where it states the bank is liable for up to x amount, recently there was this case where this lady won using this clause ...

Caught a glimpse on a news website recently that consumer is only liable for a maximum of RM200 in the event of credit card fraud.

http://www.malaysiainsider.com/inde...olen-credit-card-capped-at-rm200-court-rules-
 
racheltoh;443234 said:
Msport, I got away with the "limited to 3 packets per transaction thing" with Giant Hypermart. I told the girl, do you want to do your job 12 times or 1 just time? **cos I bought 3 cartons of baby formula** hehehe

Wah! Luckly you! I tried to nego, but the cashier was quite straight and I think her supervisor is nearby. Yes, mine is at Giant @ Kelana Jaya.
 
astroboy;443279 said:
A friend teach me a trick.. I'm supposed to keep it for personal use when needed but what the heck.. don't think I would pull such a stunt, why don't I share it with all here ... :D Thank me later. :wink:

Take a hard and share object to scratch and damage your chip on the credit card, then the merchant will complain and tell u that the card is damaged, cannot use and if u have another card. Tell the merchant that's your only card and "authorise" the merchant to do a manual transaction by punching in the CVV code.

It will go thru and after that, wait until the statement come and fill in a dispute form. You can get away with it.. :p

Now really need to get back to work.. :(

Can you help to swap a manual transaction for a 60" LCD TV?
 
XXX;443190 said:
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Made a big hooha and threatened them that I will write to Bank Negara bla bla bla..and then only they say out of goodwill they will waive it...actually there is a clause by Bank Negara where it states the bank is liable for up to x amount, recently there was this case where this lady won using this clause ...

That case is my staff's case...My boss did the case for her...and she won against the bank...goood one!
 
blackrobe;443417 said:
That case is my staff's case...My boss did the case for her...and she won against the bank...goood one!

Don't worry about the bank. The settlement will never come from them.

Despite the liability shift from the Merchant to the Bank with the worldwide implementation of various security measures, the Merchant Agreement between the Acquiring Bank and the Merchant will alway favor the Bank. the Bank will always recover any amount settled from the Merchant if it is not possible or disadvantageous for them to recover the settlement from the Purchaser. I've been at the Merchant end of this for too many times.
 
Aha, one of the culprits...:rolleyes::rolleyes:. No wonder they go out of stock so fast.

racheltoh;443234 said:
Msport, I got away with the "limited to 3 packets per transaction thing" with Giant Hypermart. I told the girl, do you want to do your job 12 times or 1 just time? **cos I bought 3 cartons of baby formula** hehehe
 
astroboy;443147 said:
No Citibank for me. I hate them! Farking denied my application and demanding a Form-J. Very prudent bank though, they immediately disturb u if no payment one day after due date. Very prompt! I don't need them to be constantly on my back asking for money..

Personally, I like it that they call me right away if I miss the due date. Sometimes too busy and forgot to pay. Don't like to pay finance charges...

astroboy;443193 said:
Yep! hate the Direct Access virtual CC for online purchase.. never use before and don't intend to use... so maafan!
Last month also I lost the card but found out I left it in the ATM machine when doing a cash repayment.. :p Yes! I lost my card almost every month or other month.. :stupid:
Damn absent minded... very old lio.. better not drive too fast.. :p :D

Yeah the Direct Access virtual CC is such a hassle. Never bothered with it. You lose a card every month? Wah.... maybe you drink too much already.. hahaha :p

I've had two of my cards cloned before (Maybank - once, Citibank - twice).
1 - Maybank - I got a call from Maybank asking if I used my card at a petrol station near KLCC a few minutes earlier. I didn't. So they canceled the card right away. It was the quickest detection I've ever experienced, it was less than 30mins after it happened. Didn't have to pay anything, just had to wait for new card.
2 - Citibank - I noticed someone charged my card at a few petrol stations in Kedah, while I was in Europe with the credit card! Called Citi, told them about it. Didn't have to do anything nor pay it, they took care of it for me, just had to wait for new card.
3. - Citibank - they called me and asked if I made a charge in Japan, I was in KL at the time. I said no, and like before, they took care of it, and sent me a new card.
 
saat;443429 said:
Don't worry about the bank. The settlement will never come from them.

Despite the liability shift from the Merchant to the Bank with the worldwide implementation of various security measures, the Merchant Agreement between the Acquiring Bank and the Merchant will alway favor the Bank. the Bank will always recover any amount settled from the Merchant if it is not possible or disadvantageous for them to recover the settlement from the Purchaser. I've been at the Merchant end of this for too many times.

We as the consumers dun really care at the end of the day i guess as long as the Banks dun hassle us and try to bully the customers into paying...and the customers can only be relived of the situation by litigating it... Thats a lot stress and hassle for the customer and man on the street ...I think the regulations in place are more than sufficient to ensure the customer is excluded from liability in particular situations but the Banks being the bullies they are, more times than not, act arrogantly...that pisses me off... Wat about the customers who do not know their rights and succumb to the bullying tactics...sheeshhh.. Damn sharks...worse than lawyers :wink:
 
Sunday February 1, 2009

‘Banks must exhaust all avenues over credit card disputes before filing suit’
BY SIM LEOI LEOI

PETALING JAYA: Banks should exhaust all avenues to settle disputes over credit card payment with their clients before filing any lawsuit.

Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Kong Cho Ha said banks could even use the facility offered by Bank Negara to negotiate with their clients over the disputed sum.

“This is particularly true for those amounts disputed because they were fraudulent transactions run up on an account after the credit cards were stolen.

“However, if after due diligence carried by the banks showed that these fraudulent transactions were really run up after the theft and a report was lodged, then banks should bear the responsibility,” he said here yesterday.

Kong was responding to a claim by Consumers Association of Penang president Datuk S.M. Mohamed Idris that some banks were pursuing card-holders for the fraudulent transactions, despite these being run up after the cards were stolen.

Mohamed Idris said although card-holders were required to pay up only RM250 under Clause 13.2 of Bank Negara’s guidelines, many were unaware of such a rule.

Banks know about the clause but have chosen to ignore it,” Mohamed Idris alleged, adding that these banks often fell back on the excuse that a provision in their credit card contracts stated that card-holders must be liable for all transactions carried out before they reported the theft.

Kong said many banks had put into place their own monitoring mechanism to track down fraudulent transactions and would often call up their clients for confirmation if the outlets or purchases looked suspicious.

“Some establishments have even engaged a third party to investigate claims of theft and fraudulent transactions,” he said.

MCA Public Services and Complaints Department head Datuk Michael Chong said some banks were forcing their clients to pay up for such fraudulent charges, to the extent of filing lawsuits against them.

“Sometimes, the disputed sum is very little, around RM2,000 to RM3,000. Most banks are very reasonable and will usually ask only for a minimal sum or for the clients to pay up by instalments for such fraudulent charges.

“But some banks demand full, immediate payment ” he said.

Chong said he had received many complaints of such a nature and had even tried to mediate between the clients and their banks.

“However, they (banks) even told off the clients for getting my help. I’m gathering details of such banks and will not hesitate to publish their names because the public has the right to choose which establishment they should patronise,” he said.

link:http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/1/nation/3172520&sec=nation
 
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