Official Club Membership Enquiry

[XXX]

Aiyoyo here we go again...Just One Simple Question Why is it some jeans can be bought at RM10 and why some jeans cost RM400...a jeans is a jeans can I go and tell the person selling the RM400 jeans that he is crazy and ask him how to justify the cost. There was a reason why that jeans was sold for RM400, maybe bcos to set a standard for that brand of jeans. So just like the setting of Clubs you got the Cheap Clubs you got the expensive Clubs bcos of different market segments.
Maybe one of the reason why this club started of with what it did is bcos it wanted to set a certain standard and as such it being an upmarket brand when the club organises some events it has also got to be of standard as well and you all know an event with standard does not come cheap. Dont forget all monies collected are for the clubs usage for organising events and what not for the benefit of its members and not for the enrichment of anybody, all accounts as u all know has to be audited since we are a registered club with ROS.

 

[Funk]

Hey Vin Diesel, no one is questioning the monies' beneficiary. No one is going to sue for RM300... (I hope).

Inadvertently, u have partially answer my question but of still pretty vague. It is not possible to collect monies from those participants if there is an event? Is there no benefits like er...urm... an appt workshop by the club that swears on his mother's grave that he will not overcharge or provide a satisfaction guranteed service for members... for example?

 

[XXX]

Collect Monies only when there is an event and waste opportunities and time.
Sometimes just to collect money can drag for weeks and months.

Eg. We want to book a hotel for a drive out of town we need to give them confirmation with X amount first to be able to get at a special rate but if we wait for months or weeks that opportunity would have gone.

And as for the workshop that swears on your mother's grave thats coming soon as we work on it...but we have to start some where as such we do the membership recruitment drive first....at the current moment we have been speaking to Sapura Auto but cannot disclose anything yet as it has not been finalised...

 

[ah lian]

got

the workshop that swears on your mother's grave

type of endorsement wannn ahhh?? oh. i dunno. anyone wan wanna recommend one for my tea trolley??

i think hor, gotta be careful abt such endorsement.... else the forum here gonna be super busy and the committee will be tied up fighting law suits from those dat have "great expectations". i heard dat the car club you are referring to is facing some of issues wid workshops they previously endorsed too.... maybe we can all learn something from dat car club oso.... to prevent similiar pitfalls.

 

[fabianyee]

There are not many authorised workshops for BMWs especially for new cars. endorsements for workshop is not something straightforward and we don't want to go hastily into it.

 

[okow]

When I posted that query, I wondered if I would be opening a "can of worms" to be debated on, on so called "sensitive" issues. Whose sensitivity, we may ask.
Then I thought, we at BCM are all matured adults (most anyway) and this shouldnt be an issue.

We now have posts from fellow members with their views and opinions and one of the reasons mentioned was that of organising events that might not be "halal", alcohol sensitivites, etc.....

Now, wouldnt that be better if we didnt know what our members are made up of (race) and belonged to (religion) except for the fact that "we are all BMW enthusiaist"...

...So, I'm Hindu and I will get offended if you served "Beef" during an event...or I am a vegetarian - for my religious reasons......do you care about my beliefs at all?

I like beer......you dont, you eat beef....I dont, I eat pork....you dont...so on and so forth...

That was exactly the reason I asked, "why do you want to know my race and religion"... if you are not going to be sensitive to my beliefs? If one of your reasons for asking is to better manage "sensitivities" then please be "sensitive" towards all races and religions!

Hmmm...that would be quite a task to manage, wouldnt it.

 

[tongsatriani]

Can payment be made via cheque or credit card?

 

[XXX]

Cheques will be the best medium, Transfers should be OK, Cash not safe (Not bcos we dont trust our treasurer but treasurer ownself scared kena rob..hehhe)...Errr....Credit Card in the future probably when we have a nice office situated inside our nice club hse...

 

[bimmer73]

All of you people make a lot of sense.

XXX I agree that we want the club to be prestiges and of no nonsense. Talking and/or exchanging ideas in the forums is a waste of time in my opinion if we want things to pick up. I suggest we not wait for the AGM to discuss this. Instead lets call for an EGM to discuss this issue and other matters that may arise and to answer all questions and clear all confussion and have them minuted for the benfit of the Club and the members.

 

[XXX]

Bimmer 73

Point Taken..we are indeed arranging for one soon probably at our next TT on the 12th...will keep all posted

 

[manjit]

mini_jeff....i thought the issue of race has been cleared out the air...we are all bangsa malaysia(correct me if i'm wrong)...still to organise activities or etc....wouldn't the religion itself spells out everything about us. Then what does the race column is meant for???

EXAMPLE:
Robert Tan Kim Fook; religion Buddhist....we know he's a chinese

Subramaniam; religion Hindu......we know he's an indian

Malik Noor; religion Islam.......we know he's a malay.


The name and the religion carries ample identification of an individual. Then why do we need the race column.

i remembered reading an article in The Star some times back by a tourist. Coincidently Malaysia is his second home. He himself have travelled around the world and had resided several countries before he came to Malaysia. One of his remark was that ; "Malaysia is the most racist country in the world, not that he sees racial discrimination, but of the need to know of one's race in every formal documentation and how they are identified. Apart from that, he mentioned that in his country, everybody are known acoording to their nation. Example; Robert Tan Kim Fook is from Australia, he's not a chinese but an Austaralian. TQVM

regards
manjit

 

[mini_jeff67]

Point noted, manjit, although I'd like to point up that Encik Mohamad Abdullah need not necessarily be a Malay... he can be chinese, indian, australian..., but I get what u mean.

Cheers.

 

[jarance]

what about Mohd. Ali aka Claysis Clay. Nationality: American, Religion:Islam and Race:???

Sometime name can be misleading. As mentioned earlier, the religion and race should be treated as an option to be filled in the application form.

 

[ALBundy]

Just to inform the forum members, most if not all the issues mentioned here have been carefully deliberated by the ex committee (now advisors) and present committee members, if I may say...extensively. Sometimes the discussion was pretty hot, but all for the sake of this club. We have taken into account of various scenarios, possibilities, potential backlash and what not.

Sometimes the best decision is an unpopular one, and vice versa.

We have to start somewhere, and all of us have reached a consensus and hence the procedures and etc posted in this forum. If we are going to have an EGM just to deliberate on this, the whole membership drive process will be delayed even further.

I'd suggest to those that are really concern about the fee structures, attend the AGM this year, table a motion to review the fee structure and put it to a vote.

Cheers.

 

[MRsamdol]

Anybody can be members right? no pre requisite? like owning a bmw? Can there be two type of membership? silver or gold members maybe, with different fees and privileges? This is to cater to some ppl who would like to join but are maybe just enthusiasts that don't own bimmers or just students driving parents cars but has love for the marque? I know there is intentions to make this a prestigious club but we must not neglect others who would be interested but not able to afford.

Just throwing out ideas hope it does not offend/

 

[ALBundy]

I think this is covered in the club's constitution which will be uploaded soon.

If the bimmer belongs to your spouse or parents, I believed that entitles the person to be a member.

However, on a personal note I do believe only real owners of the vehicle should be allowed to be members.

 

[fabianyee]

mini_jeff....i thought the issue of race has been cleared out the air...we are all bangsa malaysia(correct me if i'm wrong)...still to organise activities or etc....wouldn't the religion itself spells out everything about us. Then what does the race column is meant for???

EXAMPLE:
Robert Tan Kim Fook; religion Buddhist....we know he's a chinese

Subramaniam; religion Hindu......we know he's an indian

Malik Noor; religion Islam.......we know he's a malay.


The name and the religion carries ample identification of an individual. Then why do we need the race column.

i remembered reading an article in The Star some times back by a tourist. Coincidently Malaysia is his second home. He himself have travelled around the world and had resided several countries before he came to Malaysia. One of his remark was that ; "Malaysia is the most racist country in the world, not that he sees racial discrimination, but of the need to know of one's race in every formal documentation and how they are identified. Apart from that, he mentioned that in his country, everybody are known acoording to their nation. Example; Robert Tan Kim Fook is from Australia, he's not a chinese but an Austaralian. TQVM

regards
manjit

I guess individuals like me have gotten used to the system here and didn't find anything wrong with the template. However, from an organisation point of view, I see it as collecting information which may be useful for marketing purposes and maybe for event organising. We do not need to disclose the details but we need to know the demographics we have within the club.

 

[1+2=3]

before i comment, I have no objections to cost of membership, and I do believe it is reasonable. i'm pretty new to this forum, and also to bmw ownership, but i believe passion for bmw's should not take into account period of ownership.

If anything, my choice to be part of this forum, and finally to be part of this club, is my passion for the brand, and the cars and bikes that carry this brand. Similarly, I'm here also because I hope to meet like-minded people, and I have. To me, the club is a physical manisfestation of this passion for bmw and what it stands for that we all love and share.

I hope through this club, we can not only have an outlet for us to enjoy our bmw's, but to also learn more about them at the same time. From the history of the brand, to the specifics of each model, the technology, care for our bmw's...etc.
But most importantly to me, by being part of this club, we should also be ambasaddors for the brand. Promoting not only the benefits of the club, but the positive attributes of what makes us have a passion for bmws.

From some of the postings that I have read here, I'm concerned that there is a certain air of "elitism", "exclusivity", "special", "limited", just some of the words that come to mind. I think of all the attributes that bmw owners are "rumoured" to have that people hate the most, is the "I can afford an expensive bmw, can you?" attitude. To be honest, I have not seen that in anyone i've met from the club so far, but I do hope we don't end up like that. I also get the feeling that, "if you're not happy with whatever is offered, please go somewhere else". I also hope i'm wrong about this, because I feel the club is at a crucial point in its life right now, and it will need all the members it can attract rather than turn away people.

Are we forgetting that the club is about likeminded people, who have a passion for bmw's? no matter what race, religion, financial capacity...etc?

Like I said before, I have no problems with the fee's, and will be at MMZ this Friday to learn more about the future and direction of the club before I decide if the club is right for me. Also, I really appreciate the hardwork that the committee has put in to get the club to where it is today. I fully understand the difficulties and personal sacrifice they have faced. I also hope the club takes into consideration every single individual who is still at 2 minds about joining the club proper, me included.

cheers.

 

[aaron]

Well said.Race, religion,financial capacity is completely irrelevant.
Our common bond shd be a love and passion for the brand and what it stands for.
I am proud of my 13 year old BMW,altho i wd love to own a later model given the right circumstances.
I only hope that we allow admit members who dont actually own a BMW because i may one day dispose of my car before i get another.

 

[jarance]

before i comment, I have no objections to cost of membership, and I do believe it is reasonable. i'm pretty new to this forum, and also to bmw ownership, but i believe passion for bmw's should not take into account period of ownership.

If anything, my choice to be part of this forum, and finally to be part of this club, is my passion for the brand, and the cars and bikes that carry this brand. Similarly, I'm here also because I hope to meet like-minded people, and I have. To me, the club is a physical manisfestation of this passion for bmw and what it stands for that we all love and share.

I hope through this club, we can not only have an outlet for us to enjoy our bmw's, but to also learn more about them at the same time. From the history of the brand, to the specifics of each model, the technology, care for our bmw's...etc.
But most importantly to me, by being part of this club, we should also be ambasaddors for the brand. Promoting not only the benefits of the club, but the positive attributes of what makes us have a passion for bmws.

From some of the postings that I have read here, I'm concerned that there is a certain air of "elitism", "exclusivity", "special", "limited", just some of the words that come to mind. I think of all the attributes that bmw owners are "rumoured" to have that people hate the most, is the "I can afford an expensive bmw, can you?" attitude. To be honest, I have not seen that in anyone i've met from the club so far, but I do hope we don't end up like that. I also get the feeling that, "if you're not happy with whatever is offered, please go somewhere else". I also hope i'm wrong about this, because I feel the club is at a crucial point in its life right now, and it will need all the members it can attract rather than turn away people.

Are we forgetting that the club is about likeminded people, who have a passion for bmw's? no matter what race, religion, financial capacity...etc?

Like I said before, I have no problems with the fee's, and will be at MMZ this Friday to learn more about the future and direction of the club before I decide if the club is right for me. Also, I really appreciate the hardwork that the committee has put in to get the club to where it is today. I fully understand the difficulties and personal sacrifice they have faced. I also hope the club takes into consideration every single individual who is still at 2 minds about joining the club proper, me included.

cheers.

1+2=3, Thank you!!! I salute you.

Sometime we forget the purposes of setting this club and it good that we are remind of it once in a while. It the love and passion that we all have for the roundel. The club is not about the committee or the advisors but it is for the ppl who support it and want to take it to a greater height.

I sincercely hope that you and other who are hesistant would continue to support the club.

FYI, all the sugguestions posted by all the forummers are taken into consideration and delibrated at lenght by the committees. However, it is sad to say that some suggestions could not be implement due to the by-law of the club contitution. However, we are still looking at way to overcome all the difficulties.

Anyway, thank you again for the support of your club. It is nothing without you all.