How are your 320d doing so far?

[kong]

guys.. look here..

http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/foru...-Pedal-Box-Throttle-Enhancer&highlight=maniac

 

[Mavik]

Well here's the results of the Dyno run from Saturday. It was a pleasure meeting up with Mustakim (Wuk51) and Andrew (rattlesnake), and thanks to Derek of Torque Tuning for arranging the dyno.
Morale of the story? Tuning boxes do add more torque and bhp after the powerkit.. Car's def. a lot more funner to drive..hahaha..

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Awesome! Now I know who to look for once the power kit is fitted

 

[carlsson]

you betcha, OR you could try the DTUK, then we have more to compare! hahaha...

whens your powerkit coming mate?

Lude, you gotta jump onboard now, but man with that godzilla of yours, no diff also la..

Awesome! Now I know who to look for once the power kit is fitted

 

[lude]

you betcha, OR you could try the DTUK, then we have more to compare! hahaha...

whens your powerkit coming mate?

Lude, you gotta jump onboard now, but man with that godzilla of yours, no diff also la..

maybe i should hehe.. the powerkit just doesnt do it for me anymore.. GB anyone?

 

[rattlesnake1982]

Well here's the results of the Dyno run from Saturday. It was a pleasure meeting up with Mustakim (Wuk51) and Andrew (rattlesnake), and thanks to Derek of Torque Tuning for arranging the dyno.
Morale of the story? Tuning boxes do add more torque and bhp after the powerkit.. Car's def. a lot more funner to drive..hahaha..

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Err, bro, not try to sound pessimistic, but conclusion of that day was that Powerkit plus vector has extra 10 hp than vector...But then prior to ur car installing the vector, u found out that by installing your K&N filters plus performance exhaust, your car has extra 10hp that other powerkitted cars (without performance exhaust and K&N)...now, does that mean that actually powerkit plus vector alone (without performance exhaust and K&N) actually makes no difference at all?

I have been pondering this question for 2 nights already? Any input from Bro Derek, Carlson and WUK51? Thanks....

 

[carlsson]

Hp is one thing, but torque is another. Maybe with wuk51's dyno chart we can compare again. My previous comparison was with a power kitted car and a different dyno, so we can't really compare .

Err, bro, not try to sound pessimistic, but conclusion of that day was that Powerkit plus vector has extra 10 hp than vector...But then prior to ur car installing the vector, u found out that by installing your K&N filters plus performance exhaust, your car has extra 10hp that other powerkitted cars (without performance exhaust and K&N)...now, does that mean that actually powerkit plus vector alone (without performance exhaust and K&N) actually makes no difference at all?

I have been pondering this question for 2 nights already? Any input from Bro Derek, Carlson and WUK51? Thanks....

 

[Maniac]

just a side note. if you compare DynoDynamic chart with DynoJet read out, DynoDynamic has no drop of power at 3,750RPM as shown in DynoJet. Therefore, most probably DynoJet has some reading error towards the end. Of course DynoDynamic will gives you realistic numbers which is much lower that others. Truth is painful!

bro, to be fair, a comparison should be made between the 184hp car curves, and not with the powerkitted remap.
in my opinion, it's actually engine management tuned into the stock engines, and not dyno errors. again, this is because multiple runs were conducted on 2 different N47 engine cars.

to confirm, we should check if the same power/torque anomaly occurs at around the 3750rpm in this dynodynamic chart too for the 184hp stock?

 

[Maniac]

Err, bro, not try to sound pessimistic, but conclusion of that day was that Powerkit plus vector has extra 10 hp than vector...But then prior to ur car installing the vector, u found out that by installing your K&N filters plus performance exhaust, your car has extra 10hp that other powerkitted cars (without performance exhaust and K&N)...now, does that mean that actually powerkit plus vector alone (without performance exhaust and K&N) actually makes no difference at all?

I have been pondering this question for 2 nights already? Any input from Bro Derek, Carlson and WUK51? Thanks....

i think the tuning boxes do give extra oomph to the engine performance, as there was an improvement was observed with the vector set installed.
i agree with carlsson's conclusion that tuning boxes do give you an added performance boost, even on the powerkit. some of us here were sceptical that there would be any marked improvement, because there's a limit to what you can squeeze out of the same engine, but it does appear that the extra mechanical bits (intercooler & larger fan) does make a difference in providing a higher base for the PPK 320d to get extra output through these tuning boxes. in carlsson's case, looks like an extra 7% :top:

but carlsson's monster has also already leapfrogged other PPK units because of his better airflow! beware of this fella on the road, he'll eat you alive! hahaha!

 

[TorqueTuning]

Err, bro, not try to sound pessimistic, but conclusion of that day was that Powerkit plus vector has extra 10 hp than vector...But then prior to ur car installing the vector, u found out that by installing your K&N filters plus performance exhaust, your car has extra 10hp that other powerkitted cars (without performance exhaust and K&N)...now, does that mean that actually powerkit plus vector alone (without performance exhaust and K&N) actually makes no difference at all?

I have been pondering this question for 2 nights already? Any input from Bro Derek, Carlson and WUK51? Thanks....

hello rattlesnake,

i think it is simple. let's put those figures here.

Results on-wheel power with DynoDynamic

Stock 320d 184Hp = 140Hp & 340Nm
Stock 320d 184Hp + Vector = 153Hp & 377Nm
Net gain = 13Hp & 37Nm

PowerKitted 320d 197Hp = 150Hp & 345Nm
PowerKitted 320d 197Hp + Vector = 161Hp & 380Nm
Net gain = 11Hp & 35Nm

So, the Vector will increase min 10Hp & 35Nm on-wheel power in both case. Personally, the exhaust & K&N filter will not give significant improvement in power but might increase responsiveness. Take note that PowerKitted somehow didn't show a lot of torque improvement over stock.

In conclusion, no matter in what stage your ride is, Vector will increase min 10Hp & 35Nm on-wheel or 13Hp & 43Nm on-engine.

Hope this clear your mind and have a good night sleep. :wink:

 

[TorqueTuning]

hi bro Maniac,

sorry for not putting the 320d 184Hp dyno chart earlier. here it is, courtesy from WUK51. his ride is stock std + Vector and you can see the behaviour is smooth and no engine performance drop at 3,750RPM. bcos of that, i believe it is not engine management issue as suggested by you. if you think it is not dyno error, then something else during your test run.

fyi, we also runs at least 6 runs for each car and all of them very stable and similar.

 

[jwah]

The increment of Torque and hp in a system shall be linear. I think the comparison of torque and horse power shall be in the same rpm. At least shall quot at which rpm.

Results on-wheel power with DynoDynamic

Stock 320d 184Hp = Top HP (140Hp, 270NM, 3750rpm) & Top Torque (120HP, 340NM, 2500rpm)
Stock 320d 184Hp + Vector = Top HP (153Hp, 300NM, 3750rpm) & Top Torque (135HP,377NM, 2500rpm)
Net gain = 13Hp @3750rpm & 37Nm @ 2500rpm

by doing so the equation valid, HP = torque (ft-lb)x rpm/5252

The HP of the Dyno is actually calculated by this equation, what they measure is the torque

What interesting to find out of these curves is the slope of the powerkitted is actually flattened

stock torque slope is 62.5lb-ft/1500rpm=0.0416
Powerkitted torque slope is 55lb-ft/1500rpm=0.036
Powerkitted +vector has the same slope as 0.0416 may be out of breath again...need bigger turbo!

 

[Wuk51]

Err, bro, not try to sound pessimistic, but conclusion of that day was that Powerkit plus vector has extra 10 hp than vector...But then prior to ur car installing the vector, u found out that by installing your K&N filters plus performance exhaust, your car has extra 10hp that other powerkitted cars (without performance exhaust and K&N)...now, does that mean that actually powerkit plus vector alone (without performance exhaust and K&N) actually makes no difference at all?

I have been pondering this question for 2 nights already? Any input from Bro Derek, Carlson and WUK51? Thanks....

that mean..if u only install powerkit a vectored car can beat u...but if u plus vector and powerkit the power is more umppphhh...the filter and exhaust sure got diff but no so obvious...

 

[carlsson]

I'm wondering whether the size of rims have anything to do with it too, since I've got wider rears?

that mean..if u only install powerkit a vectored car can beat u...but if u plus vector and powerkit the power is more umppphhh...the filter and exhaust sure got diff but no so obvious...

 

[jwah]

Bigger rim/tyre size less force on wheel/road.

Stock diameter of the rim is 17"+255x.4/25.4x2=25.03"

If your size is bigger than this you got less force.

 

[Mavik]

I'm wondering whether the size of rims have anything to do with it too, since I've got wider rears?

Size of rims as well as weight of rims will definitely have an effect of your dyno results but the differences is quite small. Depending on the difference.

 

[carlsson]

well i know for a fact my rims are a lot lighter then stock, but 2 sizes up from it. I know smaller rims and lighter tyres the car will fly!

Size of rims as well as weight of rims will definitely have an effect of your dyno results but the differences is quite small. Depending on the difference.

 

[jwah]

F30 20" 225/35/20, diameter is 26.20" RM20K++

 

[Maniac]

hi bro Maniac,

sorry for not putting the 320d 184Hp dyno chart earlier. here it is, courtesy from WUK51. his ride is stock std + Vector and you can see the behaviour is smooth and no engine performance drop at 3,750RPM. bcos of that, i believe it is not engine management issue as suggested by you. if you think it is not dyno error, then something else during your test run.

fyi, we also runs at least 6 runs for each car and all of them very stable and similar.

thanks for sharing. wuk's ride is also another roadwarrior, car-eater!
nice smooth curves overall. however, unless my eyes deceive me, there still appears to be an anomaly at around the 3750rpm mark. any ideas what this might be?
quick question - are all the vector tuned curves approximately the same but with varying fuel input signals to increase the power/torque?

 

[jwah]

Think so, it amplifies the magnitude of the injection.

Powerkit : Torque curve flattening and give better rpm range
Vector : Direct increment, especially in the 2500 rpm range, powerkit does not have that effect.

Vector 285-200 ft-lb , Powerkit 255-200 ft-lb ,from 2500-4000rpm

So Vector is quite safe to use, and if you cruise at highway the rpm shall fall on the high torque range. And therefore save fuel...I reckon.

 

[rusminag]

Some Lesson Learned:

FW: inspira vs lanser..... very bad ending


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Lebih kurang pukul 6 petang 6-may-12, aku masuk hiway Plus dari kuantan nak ke KL. Aku maintain crusing 180km/j tetiba aku perasan ada kereta belakang lagi laju. Aku tengok Inspira makin dekat dgn keta aku then aku masuk lane kiri bagi laluan dia memotong. Pastu aku terus follow inspira tu, meter dah jadi 200km/j. Wow hati kering driver inspira tu! Keta standard, absober standard, rim dan tayar pun standard kilang.

Memandangkan speed dah 200km/j then aku follow je dalam jarak lebih dari 5 biji kereta demi keselamatan. Enjoy pasal inspira tu rajin hi beam halau kereta ke tepi so aku kat belakang dia just follow je la. Time coner jalan tak rata aku nampak inspira tu body dah goyang tapi dia tetap maintain speed. Ada jugak terdetik nak potong dia tapi memandangkan aku plan nak crusing je so aku maintain je la speed 200km/j kat belakang dia.

Tetiba kat depan ada sebijik Mitsubishi Lenser 2.0 kat lane kanan dalam kelajuan 140km/j. Lancer tu taknak ketepi tapi terus tekan minyak dan inspira tu terus cucuk. Hmmm kereta yg sama cuma pengilang yg berlainan. Proton Inspira vs Mitsubishi Lenser

aku pun ikut je la dari belakang untuk melihat aksi mereka. Meter naik balik ke 200km/j. Kalau ikut darah pahlawan time ni sedap potong kedua-dua tu tapi angin tengah baik lagipun lately tak tau la aku macam gerun sikit nak rembat kaw-kaw, hmmmm mungkin ada hikmah tu. so aku ikut je dari belakang.

Dalam 5 minit aku follow melihat aksi mereka ada pulak sebuah bas di belakang antara beberapa buah kereta yg bawak pada kelajuan biasa kat lane kiri. Inpira masih mencucuk lenser dgn rapat dan aku makin menjarakkan sikit demi keselamatan.

Tetiba aku nampak inspira, lenser, bas dan beberapa kereta kat depan macam ada kacau bilau. Terus aku nampak lenser tu melanggar pagar kiri hiway dan melintas depan keta aku lalu langgar pagar kanan pulak dan melompat sambil berpusing ke udara lalu jatuh ke laluan sebelah yg menghala ke terengganu.

Sewaktu Lancer tu diudara sebuah kereta di laluan sebelah betul2 berada dibawah lenser tu. Nasib kereta tu memang baik tapi bila lenser tu dah terempas ke laluan sebelah ada sebuah kereta lain terlanggar serpihan lenser tu lalu terbabas dan langgar pagar.

Kereta Inspira tu aku perasan slow sekejap pastu terus menghilangkan diri. Masa aku pelahankan kereta untuk berenti aku perasan penumpang lenser yg duduk di depan dah kaku.
Sebaik je aku berenti aku terus berlari ke lenser tu untuk membantu. Aku antara org terawal sampai dan masa aku tengah melintas pagar kat tengah hiway untuk ke laluan sebelah ada sorang brother yg berlari lebih awal bagi tau ada baby kat tengah jalan.

Ya Allah!!!!! menggigil kepala lutut aku dan rasa sebak cam nak nangis nampak baby yg aku rasa baru beberapa bulan dah tercampak keluar dan ada kat tengah-tengah jalan. Aku terus jerit kat brother tu suruh angkat je baby yg tengah menangis tu. Brother tu pun macam panik tapi aku jerit je suruh dia angkat baby tu.

Syukur kereta di laluan tu suma terus berenti. Aku terus pergi kat ke lenser tu dan ada orang suruh mangsa mengucap. Bila aku tengok kedua-dua penumpang dah diam.

Aku nampak penumpang depan perempuan, masih dalam ber'seatbelt' dan air bag dah kempis. Kepala penumpang tu dah tunduk kedepan tapi aku yakin tengkok patah pasal nampak tulang tengkok macam nak terkeluar. Dia dah tak bernyawa.
Aku periksa pemandu, lelaki, masih memakai seatbelt dan airbag dah kempis. Pemandu tu pun terlentok kaku. Ada kesan lebam di leher. Aku yakin dia pun dah tak bernyawa.

Aku terus pesan pada dua tiga orang yg ada kat situ supaya jgn sentuh mangsa yg dah tak bernyawa. Apa-apa hal tunggu polis. Pastu ada brother terus jaga lalu lintas dan aku pun bersihkan serpihan lenser tu untuk bukak jalan. Aku ternampak beberapa document peribadi mangsa atas jalan terus aku kutip dan kumpulkan satu tempat.

Aku periksa baby tu pulak, dahi dia luka kena jalan. Nampak isi warna putih dan berdarah. Aku terus kumpulkan beg-beg yg tercampak keluar dan untuk carik beg baby lalu aku kumpulkan setempat. Alhamdulilah ada sorang pakcik dan anak perempuan dia datang bantu tolong pegangkan baby tu. Aku keluarkan tuala dari beg baby tu untuk tutup kepala dia. Aku carik susu tapi dah takde dalam beg.

Aku selongkar beg mangsa untuk cek document yg mungkin boleh membantu aku menghubungi ahli keluarga mangsa tapi semuanya cuma document peribadi mangsa je dan takde no ahli keluarga mangsa.

Dalam masa 20 minit lepas kejadian tetiba ada pakcik tu ambih phone mangsa dan call ahli keluarga mangsa. Rupa-rupanya ada ahli keluarga mangsa ada convoi bersama mangsa hampir sampai ke tempat kejadian. Bila hali keluarga mangsa sampai terus kitorang suruh ambik baby tu dulu dan hantar ke hospital.

Aku rasa macam nak ambik gambar mangsa tapi tak sampai hati. So aku ambik gambar kereta mangsa je dari depan.

Pastu dalam beberapa minit polis, bomba, ambulan pun sampai.

Aku kat tempat kejadian ada la dalam sejam dan berulang2 kali aku terpaksa bercerita dari awal hingga habis. Sempat jugak aku bercerita pada ahli keluarga mangsa yg datang ambik baby tu.

Aku tinggalkan tempat tu dgn kaki yg mengigil. Live depan mata excident 200km/j. Dalam masa beberapa saat je 2 nyawa melayang, baby terpelanting keluar kereta dan baby yg tak tau apa-apa kehilangan ibubapa selamanya.

Aku teruskan perjalanan ke KL dgn kelajuan yg tak sampai 160km/j. isteri aku kat sebelah troma dan ketakutan. Dalam kereta sunyi sepi tak berborak, radio pun tak on. Sampai tol gombak baru aku bukak radio dan cuba bercakap dgn wife aku untuk tenangkan dia.

Lancer crash at 200km/j. Dari laluan kuantan ke KL terpelanting ke laluan sebelah (KL ke Kuantan)
minyak engine + coolen mengalir keluar
dua pictures ni je aku ambik. Aku tak sampai hati nak ambik gambar mangsa.

Al-Fatihah