How are your 320d doing so far?

[docrayboy]

Today met first time with derek, distributor of vektor in bolehland. Nice guy, gave me the vector tuning chip for me to try for few days without charge...first with setting 4....hmm seems like no difference one, then change to setting 7, still dont really feel the kick like all the bros here claim...is there something wrong? Mine is the 184hp version...or must wait for few day let the tuning box learn our driving style?

Drive with it then without it...then you will miss the Vector box!!

 

[Wuk51]

Today met first time with derek, distributor of vektor in bolehland. Nice guy, gave me the vector tuning chip for me to try for few days without charge...first with setting 4....hmm seems like no difference one, then change to setting 7, still dont really feel the kick like all the bros here claim...is there something wrong? Mine is the 184hp version...or must wait for few day let the tuning box learn our driving style?

today meet him also...able to tune my car from 0-100 kmh only for 6.5 second...isn t that proff something?hehe...go to him ask for my setting...hehehe

 

[gameover]

Today met first time with derek, distributor of vektor in bolehland. Nice guy, gave me the vector tuning chip for me to try for few days without charge...first with setting 4....hmm seems like no difference one, then change to setting 7, still dont really feel the kick like all the bros here claim...is there something wrong? Mine is the 184hp version...or must wait for few day let the tuning box learn our driving style?

Based on butt dyno on ray's car (vector) vs mine (dtuk), both 177hp 320d, I feel that vector is smoother while dtuk is a bit more in your face. The end result if you look at actual torque/hp or acceleration is about the same though. As wuk mentioned, we're shaving about 1 second off the stock 0-100 figure.

PM me if you want to try the dtuk.

 

[TorqueTuning]

Today met first time with derek, distributor of vektor in bolehland. Nice guy, gave me the vector tuning chip for me to try for few days without charge...first with setting 4....hmm seems like no difference one, then change to setting 7, still dont really feel the kick like all the bros here claim...is there something wrong? Mine is the 184hp version...or must wait for few day let the tuning box learn our driving style?

hi bro,

thks for meeting up and give the Vector a try. if you are free tomorrow, maybe i take a look at it. it is impossible not to feel the difference. ok.

cheers.

 

[TorqueTuning]

Drive with it then without it...then you will miss the Vector box!!

hi doc, if you thinking of getting more omph...let me know :burnout:

 

[jwah]

for sharing, here are some dyno results from this morning on my 2010 performance edition 184hp/380Nm beast.
the values are on-wheel, so they're about +/-85% of engine figures.

stock values are 173hp/375Nm, which is pretty much smack on the rated numbers (BMW does not lie :4, but ON WHEEL! you can do the math to get back to engine figures...
best figures from the 4 maps are 201hp/471Nm...which is quite astounding. Amazing what a small little box can do. Best investment to date for me, for some added oomph to the ever insatiable lust for more kick.

Here are the curves for your viewing pleasure. interesting to note that there seems to be some cut off at around the 3700rpm mark in the stock setup, which immediately cuts the power/torque curves. anyone know what this is?

Had a taiko 5-series, who also recently went to the dark side with me, and DTUK-ed his beast. have asked his permission, and he's happy to share his sexy curves with everyone too. same 184hp engine with the only difference being his 8 speed gearbox, resulting in much smoother curves. pretty much the same results too - max power in excess of 200hp, max torque went up by 100Nms from stock!

hee hee hee :rock::rock::rock:

I'm interested to know why the torque (stock) dropped about 40NM at 3700rpm, whilst the DaTUK absent of this characteristic. Could it be the six speed gearbox?
See how rough is the torque curve from 1500-2500rpm. If that is because of the gearbox, then you will appreciate the 5 series 8 speed gearbox...very smooth

 

[TorqueTuning]

hi bro,

thks for sharing. based on you dynojet 224x figures, i would say it is over compensated as usual for inertia type dyno. getting 173hp as stock value is only 6% loss which is impossible. if using 15% loss, it should reads about 156hp on wheel. the torque figure even more obvious where the loss was only 5Nm. to me, it is more like on engine figure as on wheel. anyway, your before and after DTUK is about 16% improvement for Hp and 26% for torque which is remarkable. by the way which gear you were using? if you want more realistic dyno figures, go for DynoDynamic which is known for 'heartbreak dyno' because it measures more accurately on wheel with retarded system. buy usually people don't like to see the 'low value' from DynoDynamic

for sharing, here are some dyno results from this morning on my 2010 performance edition 184hp/380Nm beast.
the values are on-wheel, so they're about +/-85% of engine figures.

stock values are 173hp/375Nm, which is pretty much smack on the rated numbers (BMW does not lie :4, but ON WHEEL! you can do the math to get back to engine figures...
best figures from the 4 maps are 201hp/471Nm...which is quite astounding. Amazing what a small little box can do. Best investment to date for me, for some added oomph to the ever insatiable lust for more kick.

Here are the curves for your viewing pleasure. interesting to note that there seems to be some cut off at around the 3700rpm mark in the stock setup, which immediately cuts the power/torque curves. anyone know what this is?

Had a taiko 5-series, who also recently went to the dark side with me, and DTUK-ed his beast. have asked his permission, and he's happy to share his sexy curves with everyone too. same 184hp engine with the only difference being his 8 speed gearbox, resulting in much smoother curves. pretty much the same results too - max power in excess of 200hp, max torque went up by 100Nms from stock!

hee hee hee :rock::rock::rock:

 

[TorqueTuning]

I'm interested to know why the torque (stock) dropped about 40NM at 3700rpm, whilst the DaTUK absent of this characteristic. Could it be the six speed gearbox?
See how rough is the torque curve from 1500-2500rpm. If that is because of the gearbox, then you will appreciate the 5 series 8 speed gearbox...very smooth

hi jwah,

it is very difficult to say. few factors. tire tractions, torque convertor slippage, gear ratio you using & throttle response. i hope both dyno with DTC off, right?

 

[rattlesnake1982]

Thanks derek, actually where is dynamic dyno? Feel like wanna dyno my car first time...
Also, can you help tune my car same like wuk 51's? 6.5 s for century sprint is very fast, nearly same like civic type r and mazda mps...! haha....
Today morning took another test drive...hantam kaw kaw in D mode...seem like the response something like DS mode stock but much smoother...less turbo lag maybe....then took a look at speedometer....alamak so fast reach 230km/h dy...! better slow down...

Then when stop the engine, can smell like more sulphur smell than usual... means my car overwork or overheat?

hi bro,

thks for meeting up and give the Vector a try. if you are free tomorrow, maybe i take a look at it. it is impossible not to feel the difference. ok.

cheers.

 

[TorqueTuning]

wow...seriously 230kph!! it is a hot ride man. dont worry about the rotten egg smell. as u said, u kaw kaw race the car and the CAT just is just doing it works. it depends what diesel you are using and suffer content level from each pump. yeah...if you want the customized map, i can do that.

DynoDynamic is available in Millinium Motorsport Sunway. If you keen to dyno your ride, can arrange for it.

Cheers.

Thanks derek, actually where is dynamic dyno? Feel like wanna dyno my car first time...
Also, can you help tune my car same like wuk 51's? 6.5 s for century sprint is very fast, nearly same like civic type r and mazda mps...! haha....
Today morning took another test drive...hantam kaw kaw in D mode...seem like the response something like DS mode stock but much smoother...less turbo lag maybe....then took a look at speedometer....alamak so fast reach 230km/h dy...! better slow down...

Then when stop the engine, can smell like more sulphur smell than usual... means my car overwork or overheat?

 

[Mavik]

wow...seriously 230kph!! it is a hot ride man. dont worry about the rotten egg smell. as u said, u kaw kaw race the car and the CAT just is just doing it works. it depends what diesel you are using and suffer content level from each pump. yeah...if you want the customized map, i can do that.

DynoDynamic is available in Millinium Motorsport Sunway. If you keen to dyno your ride, can arrange for it.

Cheers.

Where is it exactly? Also what is the price you can get for us

 

[Maniac]

hi bro,

thks for sharing. based on you dynojet 224x figures, i would say it is over compensated as usual for inertia type dyno. getting 173hp as stock value is only 6% loss which is impossible. if using 15% loss, it should reads about 156hp on wheel. the torque figure even more obvious where the loss was only 5Nm. to me, it is more like on engine figure as on wheel. anyway, your before and after DTUK is about 16% improvement for Hp and 26% for torque which is remarkable. by the way which gear you were using? if you want more realistic dyno figures, go for DynoDynamic which is known for 'heartbreak dyno' because it measures more accurately on wheel with retarded system. buy usually people don't like to see the 'low value' from DynoDynamic

good input bro! yup, the improvements above stock are definitely exciting. hee hee...!

not entirely sure i agree with your assessment about only 156hp at the wheel, which assumes that the engine cranks at only 184hp/380Nm. I choose to believe that the engine potential is much higher, which is why carlsson's dyno run also showed a massive improvement from the dyno hooked up directly to the engine. would love to also do the heartbreak dyno at some point, as you've described above. they say the truth hurts, but hey, the truth will also set you free!

DTC was turned off for the run (which triggered a heap of fault lights, so i guess they'll pick up all the errors when i next service), and gearing was left on "D" to let the car run through the ratios with the box installed. didn't go DS, cos i wanted to see what i could get on the base GB config. my rear rubbers are actually quite worn, down to where the groove indicator is almost flush with the wear surface...if i had planned it better, i'd have done the dyno with fresh rubbers too. but the curiousity was too much to bear.

i actually like that DTUK provides the flexibility of tweaking through the settings by myself, so i get to select the map that suits me best and also adjust the strength of the turbo boost. 28 combinations in total, but it's a 5 min job that makes for a much more engaging overall experience, and it can all be done in the comfort of my own home, at my own time. i'm on a low rev high torque setting at only 10% boost at the moment, which is wonderful for my daily drive. takes the turbo lag away when coming out of corners, and gives me added fuel economy. while the highest setting churns out a monster, i'm cautious that it'll also put unnecessary strain all other bits of the car if used continuously - the gearbox, torque converter, pressure lines, injectors, etc. but the option is always there and ready to be called upon in moments of need

 

[mikeyC]

This thread really poison me to get my ride tuned as well. Vector or DaTUK...

 

[TorqueTuning]

just sharing my view. it is very true and sad to say all dyno machine doesn't need a certification. example a ruler is a ruler but dyno got so many ways of getting the number out. errr...if you search more about Dastek dyno (carlsson's chart) it is impossible to be true. it is well known Dastek dyno is not really measuring power continuously but calculate a mathematic equation to 'fit' the hp/torque curve. that is why it is silky smooth as compare to the rest. Some people did a Type R Civic which is rated 200hp on flywheel but Dastek give 240hp. 'Happy figures'

for my personal experience, i dynoed my 198hp Tiguan on 4 wheel DynoDynamic and on-wheel only about 165hp. so about 16% loss which is reasonable for a AWD and non-DSG gearbox. a DSG gearbox usually < 10% loss.

u dyno your ride with D mode and let it upshift? then your chart is very strange? where are all those dip when gear changing? seems like you are in a fix gear, no?

fyi, Vector also has jumper for user setting but to me it is just a minor adjustment. some tuning box claim can do low, mid, high end setting which to me is just a 'selling point'. isn't is great if the tuning box can make full range improvement? maybe that is just me. for Vector it is fully digitized using AMTEL processor and will do internal switching by demand. also, Vector will not increase boost, therefore reliabilty of turbo is maintained.

good input bro! yup, the improvements above stock are definitely exciting. hee hee...!

not entirely sure i agree with your assessment about only 156hp at the wheel, which assumes that the engine cranks at only 184hp/380Nm. I choose to believe that the engine potential is much higher, which is why carlsson's dyno run also showed a massive improvement from the dyno hooked up directly to the engine. would love to also do the heartbreak dyno at some point, as you've described above. they say the truth hurts, but hey, the truth will also set you free!

DTC was turned off for the run (which triggered a heap of fault lights, so i guess they'll pick up all the errors when i next service), and gearing was left on "D" to let the car run through the ratios with the box installed. didn't go DS, cos i wanted to see what i could get on the base GB config. my rear rubbers are actually quite worn, down to where the groove indicator is almost flush with the wear surface...if i had planned it better, i'd have done the dyno with fresh rubbers too. but the curiousity was too much to bear.

i actually like that DTUK provides the flexibility of tweaking through the settings by myself, so i get to select the map that suits me best and also adjust the strength of the turbo boost. 28 combinations in total, but it's a 5 min job that makes for a much more engaging overall experience, and it can all be done in the comfort of my own home, at my own time. i'm on a low rev high torque setting at only 10% boost at the moment, which is wonderful for my daily drive. takes the turbo lag away when coming out of corners, and gives me added fuel economy. while the highest setting churns out a monster, i'm cautious that it'll also put unnecessary strain all other bits of the car if used continuously - the gearbox, torque converter, pressure lines, injectors, etc. but the option is always there and ready to be called upon in moments of need

 

[morrogan]

for sharing, here are some dyno results from this morning on my 2010 performance edition 184hp/380Nm beast.
the values are on-wheel, so they're about +/-85% of engine figures.

stock values are 173hp/375Nm, which is pretty much smack on the rated numbers (BMW does not lie :4, but ON WHEEL! you can do the math to get back to engine figures...
best figures from the 4 maps are 201hp/471Nm...which is quite astounding. Amazing what a small little box can do. Best investment to date for me, for some added oomph to the ever insatiable lust for more kick.

Here are the curves for your viewing pleasure. interesting to note that there seems to be some cut off at around the 3700rpm mark in the stock setup, which immediately cuts the power/torque curves. anyone know what this is?

Had a taiko 5-series, who also recently went to the dark side with me, and DTUK-ed his beast. have asked his permission, and he's happy to share his sexy curves with everyone too. same 184hp engine with the only difference being his 8 speed gearbox, resulting in much smoother curves. pretty much the same results too - max power in excess of 200hp, max torque went up by 100Nms from stock!

hee hee hee :rock::rock::rock:

Why the stock 520d 8 speeds also suffer a power/torque dip at around 3850rpm??? Engine management cut in?

 

[carlsson]

The readings i got were meant for power on engine, and not fly wheel. Hence my 250bhp needs to minus 15% to 20%, which gives me on wheel of around 200bhp to 210bhp depending again on how you see it. Any kind of chassis dyno isn't going to be accurate, and even the manufacturers underrate their own engine sometimes. But at least i had another powerkitted 320D to compare with on the same dyno. Now all we need is a stock 320D on the same machine and we'll be able to make an assessment.

just sharing my view. it is very true and sad to say all dyno machine doesn't need a certification. example a ruler is a ruler but dyno got so many ways of getting the number out. errr...if you search more about Dastek dyno (carlsson's chart) it is impossible to be true. it is well known Dastek dyno is not really measuring power continuously but calculate a mathematic equation to 'fit' the hp/torque curve. that is why it is silky smooth as compare to the rest. Some people did a Type R Civic which is rated 200hp on flywheel but Dastek give 240hp. 'Happy figures'

for my personal experience, i dynoed my 198hp Tiguan on 4 wheel DynoDynamic and on-wheel only about 165hp. so about 16% loss which is reasonable for a AWD and non-DSG gearbox. a DSG gearbox usually < 10% loss.

u dyno your ride with D mode and let it upshift? then your chart is very strange? where are all those dip when gear changing? seems like you are in a fix gear, no?

fyi, Vector also has jumper for user setting but to me it is just a minor adjustment. some tuning box claim can do low, mid, high end setting which to me is just a 'selling point'. isn't is great if the tuning box can make full range improvement? maybe that is just me. for Vector it is fully digitized using AMTEL processor and will do internal switching by demand. also, Vector will not increase boost, therefore reliabilty of turbo is maintained.

 

[TorqueTuning]

hey carlsson,

yeah. it is difficult to get a real accurate one but a close to reality will be better. German guys believe MAHA dyno is the top end unit and it might gives another set of figures. the point is to get before and after will be great.

bro engine and fly-wheel figures is the same. do you mean 'ON' wheel?

The readings i got were meant for power on engine, and not fly wheel. Hence my 250bhp needs to minus 15% to 20%, which gives me on wheel of around 200bhp to 210bhp depending again on how you see it. Any kind of chassis dyno isn't going to be accurate, and even the manufacturers underrate their own engine sometimes. But at least i had another powerkitted 320D to compare with on the same dyno. Now all we need is a stock 320D on the same machine and we'll be able to make an assessment.

 

[TorqueTuning]

hey carlsson,

yeah. it is difficult to get a real accurate one but a close to reality will be better. German guys believe MAHA dyno is the top end unit and it might gives another set of figures. the point is to get before and after will be great.

bro engine and fly-wheel figures is the same. do you mean 'ON' wheel?

The readings i got were meant for power on engine, and not fly wheel. Hence my 250bhp needs to minus 15% to 20%, which gives me on wheel of around 200bhp to 210bhp depending again on how you see it. Any kind of chassis dyno isn't going to be accurate, and even the manufacturers underrate their own engine sometimes. But at least i had another powerkitted 320D to compare with on the same dyno. Now all we need is a stock 320D on the same machine and we'll be able to make an assessment.

 

[TorqueTuning]

hi morrogan,

it is not surprise to see similar characteristic as 520d or 320d having identical engine. it is strange to see after DTUK has poorer low end between 1,750-2,250 RPM for some of the maps. maybe just dyno errors.

Why the stock 520d 8 speeds also suffer a power/torque dip at around 3850rpm??? Engine management cut in?

 

[carlsson]

oops my bad..ya i was thinking on wheel..
pity i never got to try a before dyno, unless someone whats to give it a go. only RM70 a run!
I'd still want to take up on your offer to plug it up with the powerkit. Calvin told me i had the tools in my car to actually unscrew the front braces to fit the vector.

hey carlsson,

yeah. it is difficult to get a real accurate one but a close to reality will be better. German guys believe MAHA dyno is the top end unit and it might gives another set of figures. the point is to get before and after will be great.

bro engine and fly-wheel figures is the same. do you mean 'ON' wheel?