Fuel price increase

[B33mEr]

bro, you're right about the hardly coming into the forum bit. what i actually meant to say was hardly participate in the more serious bits. my bad...

i can't answer on bundy's behalf but you seem to be doing a good job speaking on behalf of the gomen...

however, this is my opinion...

Pak Lah and his power hungry son in law are from UMNO. Najib is from UMNO. There seems to be some pattern here don't you think?

All Prime Ministers of Malaysia are from UMNO and not from the other party components.ie. MCA and MIC so its pretty obvious why UMNO was mentioned. Again, this is just my own layman opinion.

Eh...? are you telling me now all your facts and opinions are all about fuel subsidies and not pro-gomen? If they are not pro-gome then why are we not discussing about fuel subsidies specifically? why are you not doing so yourself? why are you just not discussing about BMW as you say?

co'mon bro...why say people are straying from the topic when you are doing no better yourself. not a racist remark i hope...

And you point is??? Again BN does NOT equate UMNO. If you want to critisize the PM so be it but UMNO is a race based political party just like MCA or MIC.

People are using this forum as a platform to bash the gomen jz look at bundy's threads . There's a lot of misinformation about our country and downplaying our economic achievements. I am proud of my country where it is today as compared to our neighbours . I simply want to put the record straight by using facts and common sense.

Straying from one subject to the next in this thread. Please be fair mate. Look at the post in this thread and see how many time the subjects have been changed by bundy.

 

[loafer]

And you point is??? Again BN does NOT equate UMNO. If you want to critisize the PM so be it but UMNO is a race based political party just like MCA or MIC.

People are using this forum as a platform to bash the gomen jz look at bundy's threads . There's a lot of misinformation about our country and downplaying our economic achievements. I am proud of my country where it is today as compared to our neighbours . I simply want to put the record straight by using facts and common sense.

Straying from one subject to the next in this thread. Please be fair mate. Look at the post in this thread and see how many time the subjects have been changed by bundy.

Again, like I said before this a few post earlier. Your facts were based on data collected back in 2004. It's 2010 last I checked, unless I fell down some hole and traveled forward in time.

I will again, post the link here to show you what you've been claiming all this while is wrong.

We're NOT, I repeat, NOT a fertile ground for FDI injection.

Here are the links again:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...ashing-because-investors-lost-faith-says-dap/

An alternative report:
http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/2010/07/not-only-politicians-but-investors-draw.html

And here's the WIR report by the UN:
http://www.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=2441&lang=1

FYI, Thailand attracted more FDI compared to Malaysia from 2005-2009.

cheers.

 

[Hellraiser]

Indonesia too i think....

 

[loafer]

Indonesia too i think....

Everyone except Cambodia, Myanmar, Brunei, Laos and Timor-Leste according to the report.

 

[B33mEr]

Again, like I said before this a few post earlier. Your facts were based on data collected back in 2004. It's 2010 last I checked, unless I fell down some hole and traveled forward in time.

I will again, post the link here to show you what you've been claiming all this while is wrong.

We're NOT, I repeat, NOT a fertile ground for FDI injection.

Here are the links again:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...ashing-because-investors-lost-faith-says-dap/

An alternative report:
http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/2010/07/not-only-politicians-but-investors-draw.html

And here's the WIR report by the UN:
http://www.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=2441&lang=1

FYI, Thailand attracted more FDI compared to Malaysia from 2005-2009.

cheers.

LOL ... the last link you gave me supported my arguments :top:

So you based your facts on Malaysiakini and malaysia-chronicle???

LOL ...do look at the percentile also not just on the amount. If you look at the percentage of domestic products and capital formation, on the link you provided, we are leading Thailand year on year except for year 09 for capital and year 08 for GDP. Plus if looking at the average (95-05) again we're ahead. This just reinforce my arguments :top:

 

[loafer]

Keep living in that shell of yours and you will only see what you want to see.

By looking at the UN WIR list, one can only surmise that we're losing out to our neighbors. But of course in your eyes that isn't happening since you're only looking at "inward". Don't forget that "outward" exists too. Try looking at the big picture and not through your pro-UMNO glasses only.

I don't read Mkini by the way. TMI has a more neutral stance when it comes to reporting news unlike the other government controlled media outlets who don't report anything that isn't pro-gov.

 

[Hellraiser]

Bros, bottom line is this....any reports that are adverse to what is stated about the local malaysian economy that is not in line with what the malaysian gomen sez is "half-truth" and is not to be taken into consideration.

we must only listen to what our local gomen sez as the truth and nothing but the whole truth!!

 

[infinityKL]

http://malaysia-today.net/index.php...july-2010&catid=18:letterssurat&Itemid=100129

1st time ever, Msia attracted less FDI than Phillipines

 

[blackrobe]

Its obvious our 'guest' acts exactly like any other BN politician...rapes and pillages from materials available, ONLY what is to their benefit but turns a blind myopic eye to information against them and dismisses them as lies and half-truths... so lame... so typical, something we hear and see everyday from the conjured up speeches we hear from the BN... he resorts to racism and now blames it on others when Bundy made it very clear...from the relaity of politics in M'sia BN=UMNO. We know that MIC and MCA has no say when UMNO makes a decision...if our guest wans to ignore that, thats his privilege...privilege to be ignorant...

He cant link a direct relationship between the topic discussed with what is going on with gomen policies...seems undeniably dense to me....

Jarance, how come we dun hear from you here? I thot you were policing the forums. Would love to hear what your point is when a guest enters here spouting racism and inciting discrimination in a car club.

 

[Don Franco]

A guest with 1,629 post to add! WoW!! a truly long term guest i might add.

 

[jarance]

Jarance, how come we dun hear from you here? I thot you were policing the forums. Would love to hear what your point is when a guest enters here spouting racism and inciting discrimination in a car club.

Scottie, you know me lar. When the big boys comes out to play, I hide under the table.. :listen:

Just keep an open mind and I think both sides will comes to an agreement even though it might be "Agree to disagree".

So my next question will be. The Government have to reduce subsidy because it can no longer afford it. It have already done so by cutting subsidy for petrol and other essential goods. So when is the next cut going to be and by how much?

 

[solo]

So my next question will be. The Government have to reduce subsidy because it can no longer afford it. It have already done so by cutting subsidy for petrol and other essential goods. So when is the next cut going to be and by how much?

It will be something along the lines of what Datuk Idris Jala and Pemandu worked out:-

* Current 2010 Price – RM1.80 per liter RON95
* Q3/Q4 2010 Price Hike – RM1.95 per liter RON95
* 2011 Price Hike – RM2.16 per liter RON95 (broken into 2 hikes, once per 6 months)
* 2012 Price Hike – RM2.20 per liter RON95
* 2013 Price Hike – RM2.34 per liter RON95
* 2014 Price Hike – RM2.52 per liter RON95
* 2015 Price Hike – RM2.60 per liter RON95

The price for RON97 is floated and determined by the Automatic Pricing Mechanism (which no one knows how it operates). My guess is the price is adjusted every half-yearly.

The subsidy reduction for other subsidised products - your guess is as good as mine.

Salut

 

[blackrobe]

Scottie, you know me lar. When the big boys comes out to play, I hide under the table.. :listen:

Just keep an open mind and I think both sides will comes to an agreement even though it might be "Agree to disagree".

So my next question will be. The Government have to reduce subsidy because it can no longer afford it. It have already done so by cutting subsidy for petrol and other essential goods. So when is the next cut going to be and by how much?

I don't think anybody can agree on racism... unless one is a supporter of promoting it.


When you cross my palm with a silver coin and after I look into my crystal ball.... :wink:

 

[jarance]

Solo, this gradual price also apply in Sarawak and Sabah?

I think price in East Malaysia are in general slightly higher by a few sens as compare to Peninsular Malaysia.

 

[solo]

Solo, this gradual price also apply in Sarawak and Sabah?

I think price in East Malaysia are in general slightly higher by a few sens as compare to Peninsular Malaysia.

In Kuching and other major Sarawak towns, the fuel price follows that of WM. In other rural areas, it may be a bit higher but the tandem of increase is the same.

Last I heard the government is trying to push for 1Malaysia, 1Harga.

For Sabah, I'm not sure, perhaps some of the Sabah guys can comment on this.

Salut

 

[jarance]

I don't think anybody can agree on racism... unless one is a supporter of promoting it.


When you cross my palm with a silver coin and after I look into my crystal ball.... :wink:

Talking about racism, I just notice my new I/C stated as follow:-

Warganegara
Lelaki.

Does this mean my citizenship belong to the "Man" species. Shouldn't it state Malaysian.

Oh yeah, forget to mention that to make a new IC was a breeze. Just bring a copy of police report, go to the IC pejabat and get a Q number. Pay RM100 fine for losing IC and after payment, go to next counter to have picture taken. (No need to bring photo anymore). Coat, hat, mirror, etc are provided. Got all done in about 10 minutes after your number is called.

Collect the new IC after 3 weeks and that took 5 minutes.. That is what I call improvement.

Renew new passport takes about 1 hour same day.. (Bagus)

Renew driving license takes about 5 minutes including lamination (bagus).

Reissue my ATM card (CIMB) takes 30 minutes and have to fill forms.

So the Govt is more efficient than private sector based on the above.

 

[ALBundy]

1) Way off the mark??? LOL You based your belief's on some tabloid material and i'm way off the mark??? Funny laa u bro I've posted facts and link to the facts ... Can't say the same thing about you bro :stupid:

2) UMNO represent a large majority of Malay's ... It will be hard not to construed remarks by you as non-racial as you are not a malayplus the fact that UMNO fights and represent Malay right since independence day. So do answer me this ...
How can you criticise UMNO about it's policy and management when the policy is done in the best interest of Malay's without it being racial???? Maybe you are really being ignorant or just to cause fireworks.

Please before wanting to comment about UMNO further do comment about your own political party i.e. DAP maybe???

Let's talk about PKR ... A party that champion on equality and democracy AND YET elected Anwar Ibrahim as the DEFACTO LEADER???? regardless who is the president or chairman of PKR LOL laughable isn't it????

3) LOL ... So you're using a definition of the web as a justification LOL Maybe you live too much on the net (using taxi driver as an example of hardhip ). Like I said the book sold less than 20k copies the majority couldn't even be bothered!!! And yet you mentioned and highlight about UMNO ... Obviously your post is politically mnotivated plus all the post you made earlier does not contain an iota of facts just a lot of disgruntlement and complain based on lies and propaganda LOL

1. Again, short of repeating myself many in this forum including myself have found it amazing for you to brush aside the contents of the books as mere tabloid materials when you have not read the book. To further add on, I do not just based my beliefs and thoughts on that book specifically but throughout the years have read many other books written by other prominent leaders (or autobiographys on the leaders) including

a) the infamous book by your idol Tun Dr. Mahathir (Malay Dilemma)
b) My Life and Times (Tan Sri Ramon Navaratnam)
c) The Reluctant Politician (Ooi Kee Beng on Tun Dr Ismail)
d) Looking Back (Tunku Abdul Rahman)
e) My Memoirs (Lee Kuan Yew)
f) May 13 (Dr. Kua Kia Soong)

plus many others like My Story (Chin Peng), Tan Chin Nam and etc etc. I formed my own judgement based on my readings on all reading materials, irrespective whether I am pro or against the government. Just because I read Chin Peng's book it doesn't mean that I am supporting his cause or either am I a communist. Perhaps you may think differently and entitled to your own opinion, no matter how myopic it may seemed but there is no need to label others as a racist when you are unable to substantiate your arguments with facts or in disagreement with the opinion of others.

2. Before you jump the gun and start to lace your arguments with racial overtures, could you show where in this thread I have attacked UMNO and its policies?? Does stating the contents of a book which highlighted the mismanagement of UMNO's resources (which is supposed to help the Malays) by Tun Dr. Mahathir constitutes an attack on UMNO?? And how and why the revelation of UMNO's secret account is deemed sensitive? Sensitive to whom? To UMNO members OR to the people handling the fund??

3. The example of materials on the web is just another example to define what is deemed as public knowledge on top of the information that is easily available in the book stores!! If you still insist on statistical numbers, then may I ask how do you justify UMNO as the representative of Malay rights when it only has 3.1 million members, where as the whole Malaysia has about 14.23 million Malays (50.4% out of 28.25 million as per the latest statistic published 2nd July 2010).

More statistics, in the 2008 GE, Barisan Nasional as a whole only garnered 4.08 million votes (which comprised of votes from non-malays as well) and much less than the general Malay population. UMNO can always CLAIM to represent the Malays but statistically is it true??

If you have further facts to contribute and enlighten everyone in this community please do so, and just like the only one member that knows you (justin) well enough, facts and evidences are lacking from all your posting so far. Let's not get personal

Cheers

 

[johnj]

Keep living in that shell of yours and you will only see what you want to see.

By looking at the UN WIR list, one can only surmise that we're losing out to our neighbors. But of course in your eyes that isn't happening since you're only looking at "inward". Don't forget that "outward" exists too. Try looking at the big picture and not through your pro-UMNO glasses only.

I don't read Mkini by the way. TMI has a more neutral stance when it comes to reporting news unlike the other government controlled media outlets who don't report anything that isn't pro-gov.

Fuyohh, Ilike your first line!!..hahaha
Those who wanted a change and got fedup with BN's ruling ( which of course consist of Umno wo holds the leashes ) and opted to vote for the opposition regardless of whether they were PKR or DAP and that showed how wise and informed the people were. I think it was the internet based media and discussion exsposure which triggered this minds to open further.
A person with shallow thinking or getting kickbacks are the ones still supporting najib and co..the rest chose to be smarter!!!!!

Btw, I'll loan anyone the book after I finish reading it...

 

[Hellraiser]

Talking about racism, I just notice my new I/C stated as follow:-

Warganegara
Lelaki.

Does this mean my citizenship belong to the "Man" species. Shouldn't it state Malaysian.

.

unker jarance, glad to know you're one of the guys. could be worse if it was stated "unknown"......hehe!

 

[solo]

Talking about racism, I just notice my new I/C stated as follow:-

Warganegara
Lelaki.

Does this mean my citizenship belong to the "Man" species. Shouldn't it state Malaysian.

Could be worse. It could say PADI (Pendatang Dengan Izin).

Salut