Discussion on Threads and Post Deletion

[tIANcI]

Come I buy Prez 2 teh tarik. Mizhan nak ape? Being along the kucing la

 

[XXX]

I am being constructive. The rules need to be enforced evenly.

Bro...u need to tell this to the cops and the government as well. Lets be real abt this, since when life has been fair. As a person u guys are great no doubt abt that ...but coming to the issue abt deleting threads and wht not I sometimes think u guys actually go overboard to the extend that warning has been given and u all still want to push it to the limit...you guys dont see it bcos u were having fun abt it...but do you know how you guys belittled Herbert in an open forum and morever he is the VP...do you know how he felt.....infact if I was Herbert I would have banned all of you...and of course after all this u think Herbert as a human being has no feelings and not pick on u guys....its just normal so dont blame him. As u can see not all here are very outspoken but do u know abt PMs that were sent to the CM about your postings...the only person brave enough to actually voice out in the open was Blackcat and Astroboy....anyways I got no ill feelings towards you guys as I said you guys are great, Im just putting in MY 2 cents as I see it.

...there are many fishes in the sea ...u cannot catch all.......u unlucky u kena...CM not 24hrs in forum...many posts in a day so will miss some unless u report...sometimes need to see the whole context of the conversation....u can call the prez names if the conversation is casual but when the conversation is serious in nature thats when u need to tow the line....eg: Prez give warning , then u give him a name other than his...this is a BIG no no...Picture this situation, u go drinking with ur boss and u call each other assholes but when he is screwing u in the office for something that u didnt do right, try calling him an asshole and see wht happens. We are all adults but its good to be kids once a while but its also good to know when to become an adult again.

Peace!

 

[B33mEr]

Ahh the usual standard reply ... if 'you don't like the way it is come and stand up for election' lol Come on laa Prez don't give me that larr plus no one wants to see you step down especially me. I have no complains other than what i have stated and i have no desire whatsoever to stand for office. Posts that are relevant are deleted (example in my case), threads in the classifieds are being deleted (for what purpose i don't know), selective moderation, ignoring queries or questions posted by OM's and CG's alike ...

This is about post/thread deletion issues and i'm not alone in this matter. If indeed the issues and concerned raised have been in discussions among the CM's what is the outcome and the resolution. Let us know then don't keep in the dark.

 

[B33mEr]

I'm going to bed. It is frustrating to see both of you talking about two different things; itik cakap dgn ayam!

Both of you have been repeating your points over and over without acknowledging and addressing each other. Go to MMZ la, look at each other' face and talk about the same thing, one thing at a time. Send the teh tarik bill to me.

Agreed ... Mr. Prez let's take up Mizhan's idea and lets all of us discuss this issue like gentleman and hear us out regardless whether it's coming from OM or CG (that is if anyone interested to join). We all would like to see the betterment of the club and the forum as well.

P/s: MMZ or Masat oso can ... Either venue is fine :4:

 

[jeffreyewe]

Out of hibernation again,

Let me try to make this as simple as possible. The forum is like an HOUSE, the HOUSE is owned by an individual/group. These individuals are selected to make sure this HOUSE is kept presentable. Everyone is welcome in this HOUSE with open arms, but every HOUSE has its HOUSE rules and regulations to ensure that this HOUSE is kept neat and tidy so that everyone can be comfortable. In the event if an individual messes up the HOUSE, the owner will have to make sure this individual knows he has broken the rules.

Would you like it if i come into your HOUSE and mess up your place? Im not being rude nor arrogant, you guys know me well enough, but if you think the rules are over the board or not relevant. Get yourself chosen to represent this HOUSE and make the necessary changes so that its up to your expectations, but don't forget... these HOUSE rules weren't set by this group or individuals, its set by majority.


back to hibernation...ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZ



ps: Dont Like the Current Government, Vote them OUT, but make sure you Vote IN the correct Opposition to govern.

 

[lamoo]

Bro...u need to tell this to the cops and the government as well. Lets be real abt this, since when life has been fair. As a person u guys are great no doubt abt that ...but coming to the issue abt deleting threads and wht not I sometimes think u guys actually go overboard to the extend that warning has been given and u all still want to push it to the limit...you guys dont see it bcos u were having fun abt it...but do you know how you guys belittled Herbert in an open forum and morever he is the VP...do you know how he felt.....infact if I was Herbert I would have banned all of you...and of course after all this u think Herbert as a human being has no feelings and not pick on u guys....its just normal so dont blame him. As u can see not all here are very outspoken but do u know abt PMs that were sent to the CM about your postings...the only person brave enough to actually voice out in the open was Blackcat and Astroboy....anyways I got no ill feelings towards you guys as I said you guys are great, Im just putting in MY 2 cents as I see it.

...there are many fishes in the sea ...u cannot catch all.......u unlucky u kena...CM not 24hrs in forum...many posts in a day so will miss some unless u report...sometimes need to see the whole context of the conversation....u can call the prez names if the conversation is casual but when the conversation is serious in nature thats when u need to tow the line....eg: Prez give warning , then u give him a name other than his...this is a BIG no no...Picture this situation, u go drinking with ur boss and u call each other assholes but when he is screwing u in the office for something that u didnt do right, try calling him an asshole and see wht happens. We are all adults but its good to be kids once a while but its also good to know when to become an adult again.

Peace!

Wah looks like the rain in KL clear the air and this enable XXX to post a proverb about reality in Life

:77::77::77:

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Agreed ... Mr. Prez let's take up Mizhan's idea and lets all of us discuss this issue like gentleman and hear us out regardless whether it's coming from OM or CG (that is if anyone interested to join). We all would like to see the betterment of the club and the forum as well.

P/s: MMZ or Masat oso can ... Either venue is fine :4:

:top::top::top: .... I will let you know then next time Im in town :4: ...

 

[beemerback]

There are two issues on the air that I wish to put in my thoughts this morning.

Name calling an office bearer in the open does not augurs well to the club and the forum. There are many club vendors, international groups, beemer malaysia and other entities that are following our postings. Such insinuations and bickering will not be favourable to the club and or its members. I think you know what I mean. We need the "face" of a strong and a formidable club and like I have said before, staying relevant.

I believe there are proper channels when I am unhappy with the way any CM has acted.

Secondly, on the issue of the purported arbitrary deletion(s) by the moderator(s). The powers to moderate are conferred onto the CM and it is a discretionary power. But comes along with it is responsibility. Power comes with responsibility. Therefore I suggest that there should be a SOP on this matter, say, the CM should email the reason(s) for the post deletion to the writer of the post within a time frame eg within 24hours. But this should not be done in the open and the aggrieved party must be given an answer as to the reason why his / her post was deemed to be inappropriate.

And I also do believe in settling it out over teh tarik and nasi lemak.

Cheers!



SOP-standard operating procedure.

 

[tIANcI]

Bro...u need to tell this to the cops and the government as well. Lets be real abt this, since when life has been fair. As a person u guys are great no doubt abt that ...but coming to the issue abt deleting threads and wht not I sometimes think u guys actually go overboard to the extend that warning has been given and u all still want to push it to the limit...you guys dont see it bcos u were having fun abt it...but do you know how you guys belittled Herbert in an open forum and morever he is the VP...do you know how he felt.....infact if I was Herbert I would have banned all of you...and of course after all this u think Herbert as a human being has no feelings and not pick on u guys....its just normal so dont blame him. As u can see not all here are very outspoken but do u know abt PMs that were sent to the CM about your postings...the only person brave enough to actually voice out in the open was Blackcat and Astroboy....anyways I got no ill feelings towards you guys as I said you guys are great, Im just putting in MY 2 cents as I see it.

...there are many fishes in the sea ...u cannot catch all.......u unlucky u kena...CM not 24hrs in forum...many posts in a day so will miss some unless u report...sometimes need to see the whole context of the conversation....u can call the prez names if the conversation is casual but when the conversation is serious in nature thats when u need to tow the line....eg: Prez give warning , then u give him a name other than his...this is a BIG no no...Picture this situation, u go drinking with ur boss and u call each other assholes but when he is screwing u in the office for something that u didnt do right, try calling him an asshole and see wht happens. We are all adults but its good to be kids once a while but its also good to know when to become an adult again.

Peace!

XXX ... I think I shall drop it la. This will not get anywhere. Its Apa Apa Malaysian Style.

 

[dzuljazz2001]

SUGGESTIONS / PROPOSAL

1. Proper Channel for members to use to address grievence (s) about Office Bearers (as per beemerback #1 proposal.
2. An SOP for Arbitration/Moderation/Deletion (as per beemerback #2 proposal)
3. Personal meet-up to discuss/close issues and grievances over a cuppa (by soulfood, mizhan, tianci, jefferyewe and xxx).

More suggestion please and please stick to the topic of discussion ... :top: ....

 

[haywire]

Ahh the usual standard reply ... if 'you don't like the way it is come and stand up for election' lol Come on laa Prez don't give me that larr plus no one wants to see you step down especially me. I have no complains other than what i have stated and i have no desire whatsoever to stand for office. Posts that are relevant are deleted (example in my case), threads in the classifieds are being deleted (for what purpose i don't know), selective moderation, ignoring queries or questions posted by OM's and CG's alike ...

This is about post/thread deletion issues and i'm not alone in this matter. If indeed the issues and concerned raised have been in discussions among the CM's what is the outcome and the resolution. Let us know then don't keep in the dark.

Thats the standard reply from the CM since the standard reply from the receipent would be 'i have no desire whatsoever to stand for office'. So?

You are certainly not alone in this matter but you are certainly not the majority too. Most of us in the forum are very shy one and would not voice out in any heated debated matter. However we have the 'Thanks' button which shows which posts we support. Its similar to the 'Like' button in FB.

Look back the previous posts and see which posts are thanked to see the support from the other OMs and CG alike. Its like a democracy already hehe.

Since we are in the discussion for the 'deleted posts' issue, I'll say for myself that I support the deletion of posts by the CM when deemed necessary.

 

[lamoo]

A boy was born to a couple after eleven years of marriage.

They were a loving couple and the boy was the gem of their eyes.

When the boy was around two years old, one morning the
husband saw a medicine bottle open.

He was late for office so he asked his wife to cap the bottle and keep it in the cupboard.

His wife, preoccupied in the kitchen totally forgot the matter.

The boy saw the bottle and playfully went to the bottle fascinated by its color and drank it all.

It happened to be a poisonous medicine meant for adults in small dosages.

When the child collapsed the mother hurried him to the hospital, where he died.

The mother was stunned. She was terrified how to face her husband.

When the distraught father came to the hospital and saw the dead child, he looked at his wife and uttered just five words.

QUESTIONS :

1. What were the five words ?
2. What is the implication of this story?

ANSWER :

The husband just said "I am with you Darling"

The husband's totally unexpected reaction is a proactive behavior. The child is dead..!! He can never be brought back to life. There is no point in finding fault with the mother.

Besides, if only he had taken time to keep the bottle away, this would not have happened..!!

No one is to be blamed. She had also lost her only child.

What she needed at that moment was consolation and sympathy
from the husband. That is what he gave her.

If everyone can look at life with this kind of perspective, there
would be much fewer problems in the world.

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". Take off all your envies, jealousies, unforgiveness, selfishness, and
fears.

And you will find things are actually not as difficult as you think.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

This story is really worth reading

Sometimes we spend time in asking who is responsible or whom to blame, whether in a relationship, in a job or with the people we know.

By this way we miss out something called L.I.F.E

Hope I Made you Smile

Take Care..! Keep Rawkin \m/

P.E.A.C.E ☮

 

[tIANcI]

Lamoo ... You really mooved me to tears la. So so touching ...

 

[astroboy]

I am with you Darling.. :4:

 

[B33mEr]

Thats the standard reply from the CM since the standard reply from the receipent would be 'i have no desire whatsoever to stand for office'. So?

You are certainly not alone in this matter but you are certainly not the majority too. Most of us in the forum are very shy one and would not voice out in any heated debated matter. However we have the 'Thanks' button which shows which posts we support. Its similar to the 'Like' button in FB.

Look back the previous posts and see which posts are thanked to see the support from the other OMs and CG alike. Its like a democracy already hehe.

Since we are in the discussion for the 'deleted posts' issue, I'll say for myself that I support the deletion of posts by the CM when deemed necessary.

The standard reply that has been uttered numerous times by the Prez it's like a threat ... SO It's like saying 'I do it my way or the highway' Why the need to say that all the time and what is the message the Prez is trying to convey? Is the Prez saying that the CM does not welcome any suggestions and feedback?

Also hitting the 'thank' button does not form a majority consensus. Attend the AGM and vote for what is right. Now that is what we call a real democracy NOT the fake FB version :top:

 

[B33mEr]

:top::top::top: .... I will let you know then next time Im in town :4: ...

I look forward to it prez ... I hope we can resolve this long standing issue soonest possible :top:

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Dear Syed, what are you trying to say/proof here? Like I have said, my replies are not standard and I will only reply when the need arises.
Yes you are free to say what you like but Please do not put words into my mouth. Its never been "my way or the highway", Period! However if you insist on putting it so bluntly, well, its either the Forum way or you can go on and hit the highway :4:.. We dont set the rules her per se but just implement and enforced it as best as we can.

We the CM do listen and do take suggestions and feedbacks and you youself can see the changes in the club and the forum itself that many changes has taken place. This is all happening as we take suggestions and feedbacks in a positive and constructive manner and apply it where possible.

I dont simply utter words Syed and what I have said on numerous times is not a threat. You are free to take it any which way you like but I am addressing you the reality of what the CM as a whole feels when people knows nothing else but to complain and shows mistakes of what others had made. Fault finding is old fashion bro and is not our way of doing to improve things.
You had voiced your concern on the "deletion of threads/posts" and we have taken note of it. Its not that we have ignored it or not doing anything about it BUT we simply cannot changed the forum rules just because a person say so. Even if you have a handful of people of the same wavelength as yourself, we still cannot simply changed it. We dont set the rules here. .We have listen to you bro BuT are you listening to us?

You think we the CM simply SUKA SUKA chopped here and there, hantam thread and post just for the fun of it ka?? You think we dont have anything better to do eh? Do you know how many times the CM had voice their intention to quit and how morally down they feel when people only knows how to talk and talk to show mistakes other people make all over? Do you know how many times I have to step back, walk out of such situation and come back another day to persuade and ask them to just take all this in their stride??
You dont really see the work we do (apart from being with the committee handling the AD) do you, which at most times takes us way beyond our core responsibilities.
Have you seen affan up and about with his big bag ferrying the merchandised almost everytime there is a gathering of members, for what, you tell me? Suka2 buat ka!? And what does he gets to see, nothing in return but complains after complains but do you see him really complains?
All the members here have the liberty to voice their displeasure of things in the forum, to take out whats boiling inside them and let loose off their chest here in the forum BUT we the CM dont. The only avenue we have is through meetings and via the mobile among us and do you know how stressful that can be week in week out??
A thread has been open to allow everyone to voice their suggestion, opinion and proposal on any matters pertaining to thread and post deletion but the very same people that had made the most noise about it seems to be not doing so but prefer to engage in debate.
We have agreed to lay it to rest and meet-up to discuss this but you still insist on having the last say and take pot-shots at me and the CM. Does it really make you half a man to "walk away" from comments made by others or does it make you a macho man, replying and commenting to every response? Your have made your points and we have taken note of it and we have even agreed to the meet to have closure on this, so whats up bro?

:frown:...

The standard reply that has been uttered numerous times by the Prez it's like a threat ... SO It's like saying 'I do it my way or the highway' Why the need to say that all the time and what is the message the Prez is trying to convey? Is the Prez saying that the CM does not welcome any suggestions and feedback?

Also hitting the 'thank' button does not form a majority consensus. Attend the AGM and vote for what is right. Now that is what we call a real democracy NOT the fake FB version :top:

 

[t2ribena]

Dzul...been there so i understand fully the CM situation...no words can explain really and from experience makes no sense to put it here as no one will listen...most of the time kena label whinning...just focus on addressing the issue....

looking forward to vote my fellow passion sharing bros in the committee next round...u know who u are...pls dont decline...ok....kekekeke

p/s dont forget to take your daily dose of chill pill guys and gals

 

[B33mEr]

Dear Syed, what are you trying to say/proof here? Like I have said, my replies are not standard and I will only reply when the need arises.
Yes you are free to say what you like but Please do not put words into my mouth. Its never been "my way or the highway", Period! However if you insist on putting it so bluntly, well, its either the Forum way or you can go on and hit the highway :4:.. We dont set the rules her per se but just implement and enforced it as best as we can.
We the CM do listen and do take suggestions and feedbacks and you youself can see the changes in the club and the forum itself that many changes has taken place. This is all happening as we take suggestions and feedbacks in a positive and constructive manner and apply it where possible.
I dont simply utter words Syed and what I have said on numerous times is not a threat. You are free to take it any which way you like but I am addressing you the reality of what the CM as a whole feels when people knows nothing else but to complain and shows mistakes of what others had made. Fault finding is old fashion bro and is not our way of doing to improve things.
You had voiced your concern on the "deletion of threads/posts" and we have taken note of it. Its not that we have ignored it or not doing anything about it BUT we simply cannot changed the forum rules just because 1 person say so. Even if you have a handful of people of the same wavelength as yourself, we still cannot simply changed it. We dont set the rules here.
We have listen to you bro BuT are you listening to us? You think we the CM simply SUKA SUKA chopped here and there, hamtam thread and post just for the fun of it ka?? You think we dont have anything better to do eh? Do you know how many times the CM had voice their intention to quit and how morally down they feel when people only knows how to talk and talk to show mistakes other people make all over? Do you know how many times I have to step back, walk out of such situation and come back another day to persuade and ask them to just take all this in their stride??
You dont really see the work we do (apart being in our committee handling the AD) do you, which at most times takes us way beyond our core responsibilities. Have you seen affan up and about with his big bag ferrying the merchandised almost everytime there is a gathering of members, for what, you tell me? Suka2 buat ka!? And what does he gets to see, nothing in return but complains after complains but do you see him really complains?
All the members here have the liberty to voice their displeasure of things in the forum, to take out whats boiling inside them and let loose off their chest here in the forum BUT we the CM dont. The only avenue we have is through meetings and via the mobile among us and do you know how stressful that can be week in week out??
A thread has been open to allow everyone to voice their suggestion, opinion and proposal on any matters pertaining to thread and post deletion but the very same people that had made the most noise about it seems to be not doing so but prefer to engage in debate.
We have agreed to lay it to rest and meet-up to discuss this but you still insist on having the last say and take pot-shots at me and the CM. Does it really make you half a man to "walk away" from comments made by others or does it make you a macho man, replying and commenting to every response? Your have made your points and we have taken note of it and we have even agreed to the meet to have closure on this, so whats up bro?

:frown:...

Very funny lah prez ... You said improvements have been done and if so do let us know lah. Take the example last week or the week before where the debate about the deletion of posts, you know very well that it's a hot issue and we have ask and pleaded for the CM to be fair yet lo and behold it happen again in the taiping drive thread ... So how can you tell me that improvements were made and the CM listens when it still happens?

And NO i'm not taking pot shots at you or the CM ... I tell it as it is and how i feel about it. And let me be frank here all this my posting about CM is actually about you, herbert and the mods ... full stop. NOthing got to do with other CM members. Kojak did a mistake fine no problem with me at least you acknowledge it a mistake was done and i consider it closed case but then you have to go and state it's a TRIVIAL issue. Like i said don't tempt me but tempt me you did with your replies .. so here we are

Also i never ask for the rules of the forum to be changed at all i ask is to engage the queries by OM and CG positively don't ignore it, be fair to all, do not do indiscriminate deletion of postings and threads, and enforce it properly ... So now who is putting whose words into whose mouth now? :4:

Well prez since you said forum rules or i hit the highway ... You know very well that i have been toeing the line since day 1 and while i could reply that with a 'likewise' statement i shall not for the good of the club and out of respect for you.

And so not to drag this issue further that will be my last reply until we meet up and try to resolve this issue amicably or at least hear us out. As pointed out by bro Mizhan it's like itik and ayam talking to each other, it's best we meet up. I do hope you can find the spare time in your busy schedule to facilitate this meeting.

Since i'm the thread starter i would like to request for this thread to be closed temporarily until our meet up so as to avoid further arguments in the forum.

 

[lamoo]

If you all find it such a hassles and stuff... I have told u all long time ago, I created a site for all u folks to hang out at :http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/mybmw/

Simple go here to post and never get ban or deleted. hehe

Now I better go wear my bullet proof vest and send my BMW to be armoured proof haha

for your info the above site is not created by me and now to buy more popcorn and coke