Snap Oversteer

[fabianyee]

I am oredi on extra hard GAB shock at my rear, can it be not hard enough still ??

Backside too stiff no good... Sure oversteer especially in the wet... Good for small autokhana layout where you can easily induce oversteer to take sharp turns but not on public road..

 

[ALBundy]

Guys listen to President, he really knows what his talking about.

Hey dan, where have u been missing! hehehe.

No worries, this is a healthy discussion as long as it is keep under control

Cheers

 

[astroboy]

My 1.3L MPV rear spring is extra hard because its designed to carry load, and since the car is not heavy, the choose a soft OEM dampers which I don't like as its very bouncy. Its still a very nice car to throw around if I have equal tyres. My current "set up" is due to my rear crappy tyres.. high speed weaving through traffic is a little scary though with my current set up because my rear movement is a little "dramatic" or "retard" like dragging a trailer

 

[fabianyee]

your 1.3 MPV is not made for 'high speed weaving'.... Have to remember it's not an UDM.. Maybe you can cross reference with XXX on how he set up his wife's MPV... hehehe

 

[astroboy]

Oh yes, fab, we do! We love RWD! High speed weaving in my mini MPV on FedHighway is never a problem with a set of decent tyres. Our 4 speed torquey high rev VVTi, with narrow chassis is perfect for 80kph-120kph federal road weaving maneuver.. Makan-ed few Italian sports cars before..

Better stick to the Snap Oversteer topic man..

 

[turbology]

No worries, this is a healthy discussion as long as it is keep under control

Yes.
But I still don't agree the term "Car oversteer because rear wheels lost traction".

But what causes the rear to have greater slip angle if not for a lost of traction!!????

1. less vertical load
2. too much lateral force
3. exceed tires' coefficient of adhesion

 

[Zoggee]

Understand first before practise....then come PNDC.Let the Dark Lord of PNDC show you what is oversteering and making a huge black dough marking in circle.
look down.....

 

[fabianyee]

Yes.
But I still don't agree the term "Car oversteer because rear wheels lost traction".

hmmm. maybe you can explain "oversteer" in your own words and understanding...

 

[astroboy]

Slip angle = Traction = f(vertical load, lateral force, tyre's adhesion a.k.a grip, road condition, heat, etc)

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[absidian]

I'll just add my 2p here to say that most regular RWD cars on the road were never destined oversteer in a controllable, progressive manner anyway. Worse when most drivers who grew up on FWD will intuitively steer/brake against RWD oversteer.

For most average rwd cars, the quickest and "safest" way is still to drive it like a 911... as in slower entry, clean lines, aim it early, early throttle, quicker exit.

Ironically, those who do this will tell you that it certainly won't feel as exciting, but the less on-the-edge it feels, then the cleaner and smoother the progress, ultimately quicker times can and will be achieved.

Track driving will be somewhat different la.

 

[ALBundy]

Yes.
But I still don't agree the term "Car oversteer because rear wheels lost traction".


1. less vertical load
2. too much lateral force
3. exceed tires' coefficient of adhesion

Dude,

Whether you agree or not, it is entirely up to you. What you have described are actually reasons for the vehicle to lose control, in layman's term aka lose traction.

Cheers

 

[jackson]

Hi, Didn't realize this became such a 'hot' topic. But honestly, the main reason I started this topic is figure out how/why I got into my accident in a 1 Series.

 

[James Chun]

Dear All,

I Just Had Oversteer With My E39 Last Thursday...Raining Day~~~ Luckily I Managed To Countersteer & Stopped The Car Safely, Otherwise I Think Me Baby Very "Hurt"....Thank God!!

Drive Safe Buddy!!!