change tyres + shock absorbers

[Boyeric]

hi guys. ..
B4 is original version of the shocks to match exactly the OE's equipped when you bought the car
B6 is the performance shocks for better driving dynamics and better traction, B6 does not require lowering of vehicle and it fits exactly at your current vehicle profile.
B8 onwards will be lowering type of shocks :>

I should have recommended you to take B6 if I saw this forum earlier.
Buying from First Division is a good choice ....

 

[chinloong]

hi guys. ..
B4 is original version of the shocks to match exactly the OE's equipped when you bought the car
B6 is the performance shocks for better driving dynamics and better traction, B6 does not require lowering of vehicle and it fits exactly at your current vehicle profile.
B8 onwards will be lowering type of shocks :>

I should have recommended you to take B6 if I saw this forum earlier.
Buying from First Division is a good choice ....

B6 IS THE YELLOW BILSTEIN? iF YES, TOMORROW WILL POST THE ABSORBER PROFILE WILL ASK THEM TO TEST BECAUSE I SAW THE YELLOW AND BLACK BILSTEIN IN THEIR EVALUATION COLLECTION!! BY THE WAY HOW MUCH WILL IT COST FOR B4, B6 AND B8 AND DOES IT COMES WITH WARRANTY!! PERHAPS TOMORROW YOU CAN JOIN US AT BANGI. JUST DROP ME AN EMAIL (chinloong@lsti.com.my). IF YOU ARE INTERESTED JUST DROP ME AN EMAIL SINCE YOU ALSO ABLE TO SHARE MORE WITH US AND HELP US TO ASK QUESTIONS TOMORROW. THANK YOU. HEHE

 

[Boyeric]

Sorry chin loong, didn't catch ur message above. Most likely too late to join ur function. Can pm me if u got any specific queries?

 

[Boyeric]

To add on my message above, I can't tell the price between the B4, B6 and B8. There's no fix price and depends on the vehicle models.

Yes, commonly B6 is known as the yellow shocks. In fact, B6, B8 and B12 are yellow shocks. Yellow shocks is basically named as performance shocks.

Black shocks are B2 and B4. Basically black shocks are OE originally in the vehicle. In other words, it is standard shocks.

Bilstein shocks warranty, you have to check with who you are buying from and basically there's always a basic manufacturer defects warranty. You will know if there's a problem or not with the shocks, immediately after installation.

Sorry, what's happening in Bangi?

 

[chinloong]

Bro,

I mean the price for Bilstein B6 (no need to change spring) of E39 and E46 since this is the models of cars that me and the gang are owning. By the way, how long is the warranty? "value for money" and not "money for value".

If that's the case how to differentiate B6, B8 and B12? Feelings while driving also won't provide real technical specifications because after the explaination session at Bangi, I realize that there is lots of imitation bilstein in market so how to differentiate? (they shows the imitation bilstein) Moreover, did the specs provides good feeling at all road conditions at speed of 70km/hr at rocky road and smooth road? Good grip during cornering at 110km/hr?. All the answer came from the car manufacturer specification when design the car C.G. (center of gravity). That's why the car manufacturer provide damping specification at 0.05m/s, 0.1m/s, 0.3m/s and 0.6m/s. each speed simulates different road conditions. ONLY MACHINES ABLE TO PROVIDE SUCH SIMULATIONS.

I manage to get the absorbers profile for bilstein vs bph. By the way, please advise how to share the results with you guys. Also found out that the shops in Kuchai Lama Entrepeneur Park selling this BPH brand. tHE SHOP NAME IS PCT or PCS Motor Sports. Found this shop also reparing lots of E36, E39 and E46 but no E60 or E90 like M speed and KS Soon.

Also want to share that the performance specs and non performance specs have a different graph distribution for Force vs piston rod displacement and also Force vs frequency or amplitude (meter/ sec). From there I understand that why the halt cut and serviceable of TEIN (that i bought from half cut) no longer performing because when recondition the absorber, possible the service guy fails to get back the TEIN DAMPING SPECIFICATION FOR BOTH REBOUND AND COMPRESSION AND GAS REACTION OF THE ABSORBERS so when we buy and install into our vehicles then we found it fails to perform at various type of roads and conditions because they don't have a damper tester!!!! hehe

 

[Boyeric]

Hi Chinloong, thanks for sharing. I believe you are a techie guy and does a lot of modifications.
Perhaps we could share more when we meet.

"I mean the price for Bilstein B6 (no need to change spring) of E39 and E46 since this is the models of cars that me and the gang are owning. By the way, how long is the warranty? "value for money" and not "money for value". "
--> regards to this, for the prices, I won't be able to quote, sorry. I could refer to you some local genuine dealers when we meet. Regards to warranty, there's only manufacturers' defects warranty. Meaning if there's fault found upon installation and not long after installation and the fault is subject to the manufacturer's production quality, it is under warranty. If the fault is found due to installation problem, factory will not cover the warranty.
For most if not all OEM brands (spare parts), there is no period warranty (like 6 months or 12 months) given by the factory. However, the spare parts shop that you buy from, they will guarantee to you the quality and the genuine of the product! (Unless that spare parts shop sells imitation.

For the rest of it, lets meet up.

By the way, you have not told me, what happened in Bangi? Someone hold a talk or seminar?

 

[chinloong]

Bro,

I just told them that i will comes along with few friends that wanna to know more about absorbers and air flow meter. Then they show and explained to us the ways of making the absorbers and it's funcitionality before and after installation into a vehicles. Other than that they also show us how people recon absorbers imitations that is around the market. The functionality of absorbers at different road conditions ausing the original TEIN, BIKSTEIN casing and etc. And sell as a new without refer to the OEM damping specification so i rank this visit

Anyway thanks for the info on bilstein and just drop me an email to keep in touch. Chao.

I got all the info i share yesterday from the plant visit. hehe. This is what i get i bangi. remeber i told u about the graph that their machine produce BPH vs BILSTEIN. hehe

 

[Boyeric]

that's great to hear. then no prob.
I am not into too detail technical of the absorbers, most importantly, quality Bilstein absorbers deliver exactly what the vehicle needs. Evidently you could see the Bilstein in R8, all new Porsche, Bugatti Veyron and many more ....

 

[chinloong]

If that's the case, why Alex Yoong need to tune his absorbers setting for his bufori at here? hehe anyway nice to chat with you and hope we can meet and compare both the absorbers performance and the findings will beneficial others members because for lower price I can get what I need and reserve the money that i save for other performance parts like air flow hehe

 

[Boyeric]

I think you mistaken what I mean. Whatever comes in the original car, it is the pre-requirement of the car manufacturers. if drivers want extra, Bilstein has offered B6 to all the way to B16 adjustable height and profile. For cars that Bilstein has no programme or profile that drivers want, surely tuning shops will be the only option for them. However, in Europe, Bilstein B16 is more than enough for average sports drivers. That is why Porsche and R8 already equipped with Bilstein as they trust the quality Bilstein would deliver.

If Alex requests other than what the standards can offer or something extra, surely he would want to tune it at your place. But does Bilstein offer for his car? Did he try Bilstein B16 yet?

Yeah, economical solutions is good for consumers.

There's lots to learn for me from you, tuning is a special school of learning.
Where's your shop?

 

[chinloong]

Dear bro,

I don't have a shop and I just wanna to learn more about car suspension system since it plays a major role in car stabilization and handling . I'm working as an Senior Tecnical S&S Manager at LSTI Corporation.

Thank you for the explaination of Bilstein and after read through the download of bilstein absorbers, I realize that there is no way, we as a consumer know whether we are using original or imitation bilstein since they don't have any factory or machines for us to test. It's like TEIN everybody kow its good because of the branding but in exact how many of us kbow whether we are getting original or not? The only way is FEELING.

On Alex case, I'm seeing that he need something that suits his driving behaviour and at the same time he is learning about the suspension like what I'm trying to do now. I'm happy that have been given a chance to learn more about suspension and at least I know what type of profile I'm driving now and later when I learn about my driving behaviour then most probably, I will upgrade to BPH HANMAX because currently I'm using COMMAX.

 

[Boyeric]

That's good to hear. Me too, I am here to learn more from all the experts in this club.
It's true, nowadays it is hard to determine the difference between original or imitation products. Nevertheless, I could recommend to u which are the original Bilstein dealer.

Ah seems like I have missed a good chance to join u learning. Again could u tell me what event was held in bangi that day?

What car are u driving now? Wanna give a try to Bilstein?

 

[chinloong]

Bro,

Sorry for the late reply. I was away foir +-2 weeks for ERP Technical Worl Conference back down in Phil. hehe Sponsor by UPM. I'm driving an E39 as per what i mention at page 1 or 2 in this forum. The event that being held down there also being explaind details in page 3 in this forum.

Regarding the Bilstein absorbers, I have already changed mine to BPH except they (bilstein dealer or you) willing to give special price then I will take 1 set and make a comparison for everybody so that in future all BMW club members will benefit from this. Pay lesser money (hehe let say save 30-50%) but get the same driving pleasure. The comparison will be in term of the resulst from the 2 million absorber damper tester. The comparison should be for ABSORBER FORCE vs ABSORBER DISPLACEMENT and ABSORBER FORCE vs VELOCITY. This will reflect the real performance of an absorber.

If anybody willing to sponsor then I will go for it!!! and from there in long term all our club members will benefit from it.

Thank you

 

[chinloong]

Bro,

WHICH SHOP ARE YOU FROM? I REALIZE YOU ARE BILSTEIN HARDCORE SUPPORTER BECAUSE I JUST SEEN YOU AGAIN IN ANOTHER ABSORBERS FORUM. JUST CURIOUS. ANYWAY THANK YOU

 

[Boyeric]

Hi Chinloong

i see that you are a hardcore detailed person on shocks too. I am just a freelance trying to learn more and share some basic knowledge.

By the way, you did not mention to me what the name of the event at all. You only mention the event contents.
Is it something not possible to share in forum? please do pm me otherwise.

For Bilstein topics, I would not go into too detail like what you did, about velocity or the force. What Bilstein has studied and deep research, therefore they came out with the B6 B8 and till B16, even eletronic shocks now. Speaking of prices, I believe in the market now it is widely accepted that Bilstein is one of the best there is in original equipment and performance shocks. Thus, speaking of which, its Bilstein technology is autonomously reflected in the prices too.

Anyway, i am no expert, just a fan and freelance. wish to learn more from you guys ya!

 

[chinloong]

Dear All,

I have just received a call from one of our BMW Club members when I'm here testing my absorbers setting, which the receptions pass him my numbers so that I'm able to instructions him on how to make his way to BPH.

Anybody who wish to learn more on absorbers call to their office or me for directions.

When Sing (the E36 member that rang up), we did have a common question on how to differentiate imitation OR recon and bilstein and sach absorbers. This is because it looks the same because of high profit margin, they willing to change when we complain so again how to differentiate. Anyway thank you for trusting me and of course we help to save $$$$$ hehe

Thank you.

 

[chinloong]

Dear Bro Boyeric,

just read through the this forum # 25, 27 and 29. From there you will know that me and my E46 gang have been taught on how people in the absorbers industry test absorbers for:

1) Quality Control (when people manufacture absorbers in big quantity, how to ensure that all the absorbers perform according to its spec, which have been determine by the car manufacturer. this is why when people like me buy the half cut TEIN we don't know how the absortbers perform but only know its TEIN.

2) When people RECON absorbers, how we know? All looks the same the answer is the damper tester machine. Thats the reason I'm buying the BPH.

Anyway, please email me your contacts so that we are able to learn more from each others. Thank you.

 

[bmw7833]

chinlong..PMed you.

 

[Boyeric]

Dear Bro Boyeric,

just read through the this forum # 25, 27 and 29. From there you will know that me and my E46 gang have been taught on how people in the absorbers industry test absorbers for:

1) Quality Control (when people manufacture absorbers in big quantity, how to ensure that all the absorbers perform according to its spec, which have been determine by the car manufacturer. this is why when people like me buy the half cut TEIN we don't know how the absortbers perform but only know its TEIN.

2) When people RECON absorbers, how we know? All looks the same the answer is the damper tester machine. Thats the reason I'm buying the BPH.

Anyway, please email me your contacts so that we are able to learn more from each others. Thank you.

Thanks for your info ... glad that you found what you need
hopefully have a chance to visit tein or bph

 

[chinloong]

Dear 7833,

Sorry for the late reply. I have checked with them that they are having 3 specs of absorbers which is commax (comfort), handmax (handling) and the hardest promax (professional). Anyway, If you need anything just drop me an email or just drop an email to their enquiry mail box. Later I will try and find out and let you know. Thank you