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Safe, Legal, Blue...But Are They Any Good? What's the Scoop on "Extra White" Bulbs From Reputable Manufacturers? You're asking about the current crop of bulbs, widely available in auto parts stores, with a blue absorption filter on the bulb glass, which is there to make the light look whiter. These bulbs are generally safe and legal, though not advantageous, to use in your car. Some people feel that "whiter" light is better. Some people prefer the appearance of the headlamp when fitted with these bulbs. And then there are the True Believers, who ascribe all kinds of magical (and imaginary) benefits to "whiter" light. Some companies (PIAA...) even capitalize on this by claiming that their 55W bulbs are as bright as 85W bulbs, among other pseudoscientific claims. Here's how this claim works: Higher-wattage bulbs of a given type generally appear whiter than lower-wattage bulbs. Think of the last time you replaced a 60W bulb in your home with a 100W bulb. So the idea with these "blue" filtered bulbs is to have a lower wattage bulb that mimics the color of a higher wattage bulb, but not its performance. However, there's no getting something for nothing. The altered light color does not mean you're getting more light, or better quality light, just that the light is of a different color. In fact, you get less usable light from such a bulb than from a regular clear bulb, and here's why: A blue filter removes nonblue components of the light passing through it. Halogen bulbs produce very little light in the blue frequency range. When you put a blue filter on the bulb or lamp, you are reducing the amount of usable light that gets from the glowing filament to the reflector, to the lens and from there to the road. Prove it to yourself using nothing more than the windshield in your car...drive towards a yellow-orange Sodium vapor street light and watch the light as it shines first through the clear portion of the windshield, then through the blue strip at the top. Up there through the blue, it certainly looks "whiter"...but it's also dimmer. If a bulb's sales material focuses on the color of the light rather than the amount of light, you should ask critical questions about the amount of light the bulb produces before choosing to use it.But If That's True, Then How Come These Bulbs Have All The DOT and ECE Approval Markings Saying It's OK To Use Them On The Road? The name-brand "extra white" bulbs mostly produce legal light output, true. But there's a lot of wiggle room in the bulb standards that permit two bulbs of the same format to put out significantly different amounts of For illustration of the principle, take a standard HB5 (9007) bulb, which is legally required to produce 1000 lumens of light from the 55W low beam filament at 12.8v, plus or minus 15 percent. That means that in order to be legally certifiable as conforming to Federal standards, a 9007 bulb in the low beam mode must produce between 850 and 1150 lumens. Most folks want to see better at night, not worse, and the way to do that is to use bulbs that produce the maximum legal amount of light. On a dark road, I want bulbs producing 1150 lumens instead of 850, how 'bout you? So now, where do these legal "blue" bulbs fit on our 850 to 1150 lumen range? Most times, this information isn't available, for it's often made unavailable by bulb manufacturers. Some of the bulbs come with specification sheets giving a wattage and lumen rating, but these don't list actual output, they simply list the nominal specification contained in the Federal standard. The assumption they want you to make is that the bulb you're holding in your hand actually produces the nominal amount of light. In most cases, with blue glass, they don't. About all that can truthfully be said is that they're safe, they're legal, they're not dangerously poor performers like illegal blue bulbs are, but they do not give an actual performance improvement. So If Blue Filtration Steals Light, How Do They Still Make These Bulbs Produce Legal Output With The Blue Filter? The manufacturer optimizes the bulb's efficacy through filament and gas-fill technology, so that the uncoated bulb performs up near the top end of the allowable output range, or even slightly above the maximum allowable output. But the bulb is blue, which "steals" some of the light. If the bulb is designed to produce within the legal light level without the blue, the presence of the blue bulb will reduce the output so it's closer to the bottom end of the allowable output range. If the bulb is designed to produce slightly over the legal light level without the blue, then the bulb will perform nearer the middleof the legal range. Here again, though, we can't have something for nothing.It took reputable bulb makers quite a bit of research and development to produce blue filters that would not drop the bulb output below the legal minimum while still altering the appearance of the operating headlamp enough to appeal to consumers after a "whiter" appearance to their headlamps. The cost? Bulb lifetime. The filament changes made to produce enough extra light that the bulb will still be legal despite the blue-filtration losses mean the filament's lifespan is shortened considerably.Here's actual data for for output and lifespan at 13.2v for H1 bulbs. The numbers here are a composite of values applicable to the products of the three major manufacturers' bulbs. Each maker's product in each category is slightly different but not significantly so, and while the absolute numbers differ with different bulb types, the relative comparison patterns hold good for whatever bulb type you consider. Lifespan is given as Tc, the hour figure at which 63.2 percent of the bulbs have failed:H1 Bulb VariantOutput LumensLife HoursStandard (plain)1550 lm650 hrLong Life1460 lm1200 hrPlus+30 High Efficacy1680 lm400 hrPlus+50 Ultra High Efficacy1750 lm350 hrBlue glass"Extra white"1380 lm250 hrPart of the impetus for the development of these bulbs was for the makers of good-quality bulbs to take away a portion of the dangerous "crystal blue" (spark blue, 8500K blue, etc.) type bulb sales and satisfy consumers desiring a different headlamp appearance with a legal and safe product. The retail-level marketers have an easy sell here; Pep Boys offers a "Silverstar Upgrade" service for fifty bucks, for instance. And there are always going to be people lining up to offer glowing testimonials about how much better they think they can see with these bulbs. But can they really?There's no good evidence that the type of light produced by this sort of bulb actually allows drivers to see better than the type of light produced by a regular, clear bulb. And there've been no studies on the effect of this type of light upon seeing and glare in bad weather, for instance. It has, on the other hand, been shown that these bulbs cause more glare than clear bulbs. Can you see better with this sort of bulb? No, probably not. Some people vigourously defend blue-glass bulbs, insisting they can see better. But that's another problem: they think they can see better than they actually can. There've been no studies to determine exactly how dangerous it is to think you can see better than you really can, but it probably doesn't help safety.It should be mentioned that while these are critical questions that ought to be asked, they are academic to some degree if what you're deciding is whether to use a no-name bulb or the product of a reputable manufacturer, such as Narva, Candlepower, Osram, Philips, or GE.OK, So These Extra-White Bulbs Aren't The Best Choice For Maximizing My Headlamps' Performance. What Should I Get Instead? For those who want the best possible performance from their headlamps and are more concerned with their ability to see rather than the appearance of their headlamps, the major bulb companies offer optimized bulbs without the light-stealing blue glass. Narva RangePower+50 and RangePower+30, GE Night Hawk, and Philips Vision Plus, and Osram Silver Star are the ones to get.Wait a Minute, Earlier You Said Silver Star Bulbs Have Blue Glass!It's a name game: Osram, the well-established German lampmaker, sells a line of automotive bulbs they call "Silver Star". These are Osram's top-of-the-range headlamp bulbs, equivalent to Narva RangePower+50, GE Night Hawk, Philips VisionPlus, and Tungsram Megalight Premium. They produce the maximum legal amount of light while staying within legal power consumption limits. They have colorless clear glass.Osram bought the well-established American lampmaker Sylvania in the early 1990s, so Osram is now Sylvania's parent company. Sylvania also sells a line of automotive bulbs they call "Silver Star", but it's not the same product. The Sylvania Silver Stars have blue glass. Light output is of legal levels, but as with all blue-filtered bulbs, you do not get more light from them. The Sylvania SilverStar bulbs have a very short lifetime, because the filament is overdriven to get a legal amount of light despite the blue glass. To get the best possible seeing performance at night, don't choose extra-white bulbs. Daniel Stern Lighting (Daniel J. Stern, Proprietor) click here to send email Copyright ©2005 Daniel J. Stern. Latest revisions 11/08/05
 
Good article i think, AL.....

I am gonna stick to my yellowish orig bulbs. Less penning, less saman and less gatal.... to read all that and still don't understand it!!! :D
 
I tried the philips diamond vision, couldnt see the road (of course the e34 heaglight reflector not helping matters as well) especially when its raining.

Alas, replaced it with the Osram silver star, much better but still not bright enough until I put it a pair of HIDs. Bottom line is all these white light bulbs are nice to look at but performance wise its the worst of the lot.
 
so what happen the 2 bijik osram silver star? cheap cheap sell me la, keke... btw, put HID already can still use that thing adjust the beam up down up down or not?
 
Thanks for reminding me. The silver star is with the mechanic! Should use it for my fog lights!!

I tried it, suprisingly can still adjust!!:D But now my e34 is damn shiok to drive at night, super bright. Falling in love all over again....just imagine the woman you married 20 years ago having a boob job, face lift, marie france weight reduction program, hymen reconstruction and etc....wuhoo!!:D :D
 
dem, feel gian already reading Al's post... i oso want that syiok feeling when taking a ride at night... somemore can still play with the knob make it go up down up down... fuiyoh cannot tahan already... must go workshop liao...
 
OSRAM Silver Star is still plain yellowish white, have them on both my cars... got my E36 headlamp internal assembly washed thoroughly the other day, I think the brightness went up quite a bit....
 
Btw, I remembered coming across one of JPJ lengthy regulations which states that no vehicle can have green or blue lights unless they are the police, ambulance, fire brigade and other emergency services. That ruling must have been there for ages already, probably since British times...
 
ALBundy;194956 said:
I tried the philips diamond vision, couldnt see the road (of course the e34 heaglight reflector not helping matters as well) especially when its raining.

Alas, replaced it with the Osram silver star, much better but still not bright enough until I put it a pair of HIDs. Bottom line is all these white light bulbs are nice to look at but performance wise its the worst of the lot.

Al...what brand of HID are you using?..quiet alot in the market now...confused laa...
 
Yup,

HID is the way to opt. Whatever brand of white bulb r not good especially when raining. I've used many type of bulb and at last I use HID. Prob solved and look good too. There r many HID in mkt especially cheapo and imititation from China. dun know bout the performance. I use from Korea and Taiwan for my headlamp and fog lamp which got 1 yr warranty for ballast & bulb.

P/S: Anyone wt HID for the High beam?
 
Damn right you are :D HID is the wayyyy to go.. Had mine installed.. Come rain or shine and still its bright and brilliant. Mine's from Korea with a year one-to-one exchange warranty also. Some China made ones have been known to blow.. beware..

And just my 1/2 cent, if you're already spending say 1k on your HID, PUT in an Angel Eye! Your HID is automatically enhanced 5 times its chun-ness. Al's right.. am falling in love all over again :D
 
anakin;194997 said:
Al...what brand of HID are you using?..quiet alot in the market now...confused laa...

I am using Philips D2S bulb together with AL ballast (which is the original BMW supplier and made in France). Got it from my mechanic whom I believed purchased it in bulk from AB. Cost less than 1k, and both my e36 and e34 have it. Been using it for 8 months on my e36, no problems whatsoever. Its about 4800K, I dont really bothered whether its 6000K, 8000K or 10000K, my hair is still black not red or blonde. And more importantly, I can see the roads clearly at night!:)
 
Al, this is the best racun way of introducing HID for your UDM.. ha..ha..

HID..HID..HID.. You are lucky to have 4700K bulb or else you cannot see in the rain..

HID for Hight beam is usually not recommend coz the HID take time to charge up to full capacity unless it is the pre-energise type and will shorten the lifespan of the xenon bulb if you have a tendency to "flash" your high beam.
 
ALBundy;195082 said:
I am using Philips D2S bulb together with AL ballast (which is the original BMW supplier and made in France). Got it from my mechanic whom I believed purchased it in bulk from AB. Cost less than 1k, and both my e36 and e34 have it. Been using it for 8 months on my e36, no problems whatsoever. Its about 4800K, I dont really bothered whether its 6000K, 8000K or 10000K, my hair is still black not red or blonde. And more importantly, I can see the roads clearly at night!:)

Bro,

Yr car is too fast! U need bright bulb to see the car in front:D

Jarance,

that what hv been advice to me oso just gatal since HID nowadays r cheap. What about Phillip Vision variaties for high beam? Is it OK? I wan to hv all white look for all my front light.

My advice if u guys going for HID try to get 8000k and below.
 
ALBundy;195082 said:
I am using Philips D2S bulb together with AL ballast (which is the original BMW supplier and made in France). Got it from my mechanic whom I believed purchased it in bulk from AB. Cost less than 1k, and both my e36 and e34 have it. Been using it for 8 months on my e36, no problems whatsoever. Its about 4800K, I dont really bothered whether its 6000K, 8000K or 10000K, my hair is still black not red or blonde. And more importantly, I can see the roads clearly at night!:)
Al...did you get it from Ah Wai?Fyi, I'm using that D2S too on my E30...but I had problem with..black spot,(black area when i on the light) dunno how to explain it to you..but it annoying me...do you have problem with that? Now, I'm back with standard light...:confused:
 
initialM;195246 said:
Bro,

Jarance,

that what hv been advice to me oso just gatal since HID nowadays r cheap. What about Phillip Vision variaties for high beam? Is it OK? I wan to hv all white look for all my front light.

My advice if u guys going for HID try to get 8000k and below.

Can!!! as long they are not HID type.. :cool:
 
ALBundy;195082 said:
I am using Philips D2S bulb together with AL ballast (which is the original BMW supplier and made in France)... Its about 4800K, ...

am using dat too.... but its 4300k not 4800k. its not white, its slightly yellowish.... :p
 
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