Raub Breakfast Run ~ Sept Official Drive

[fabianyee]

Most club adopt this mechanism...
Try getting a AAM racing license, u'll need to pay full fees even if you apply it in Dec. And the license is only valid until 31 Dec... At least we have pro rata annual fees...

 

[Herbert]

At least we have pro rata annual fees...

Are you sure about this pro-rata annual fees??

 

[fabianyee]

Last time we did have half year fees, now not sure, cos not etched in stone... Hmmm.. So it's not exactly pro-rata...

 

[astroboy]

Nope... still same fee but those who join in 2nd half, we will offer additional goodies for their starter pack worth RM75 in value when the year ends, rather than give monetary pro rated rebates. The goodies will be determine once the year ended because we need the quantity to collectively order goodies with better pricing.

 

[szehoong]

I am now hooked to a machine with various sensors as I am typing this courtesy of Docrayboy haha!


So tonight I am posting as many as possible before I sleep cause if not doktor marah hehe :top:

.....journey into the unknown.......so surreal! :top:

Clear skies again!

WELCOME TO RAUB! (First time in Raub for me!) :top:

We seems to dominate the street!

Close-up of the street dominators! haha

Street domination 2.0

Cantik punya 'silis' lampu! :top:

 

[szehoong]

Yay! Finally could get down to stretch legs!

A morning invasion of bising BMW nuts at quiet and tranquil Raub!

I just had to park beside DigitalPunk's racun to maximise the Elephants effect (whatever that means haha)

Cantik dan seksi punya buntuts!

Buntut-buntut Siri5! :top:

 

[szehoong]

Yet another picture of the buntuts! :top:

This is the E39 518i - Enuf said!

An angled buntut pic!

Seems like I can't get enuf of Masch's cabrio buntut hehe

Hakkamee's car buntut is the sexiest here haha

 

[szehoong]

Looks like I am not the only one taking sexy buntut pics hehe

Note how serious Don is! I malu lah with my camera haha

Time for some frontal pics!

More garang and sexy frontals! :top:

Nice and colourful architecture. Raub is surely a historically-rich and interesting town! Did you guys know that Raub was once considered to be Pahang's capital? :listen:

The invasion of the hungry people from Klang Valley!

 

[szehoong]

This is the famous curry house that we've been raving about!

Hungry people are not happy people! Where's our FOOD?!??!!!? :motz:

Anticipating the arrival of the famous fish-head curry! :stupid:

Front facade of the curry house

This is the oldest police station building in Malaysia (still standing) if I am not mistaken!

If I am not funny or provide boring captions at least I try to be informative lah hehe........but dun blame me if I state the wrong facts haha

 

[ssmann]

Nope... still same fee but those who join in 2nd half, we will offer additional goodies for their starter pack worth RM75 in value when the year ends, rather than give monetary pro rated rebates. The goodies will be determine once the year ended because we need the quantity to collectively order goodies with better pricing.

Hooray...so I can look forward to goodies at year end. BMW Performance Steering boleh ka????? Getting old, will help monitor blood pressure and sugar levels :love:

 

[Herbert]

Hooray...so I can look forward to goodies at year end. BMW Performance Steering boleh ka????? Getting old, will help monitor blood pressure and sugar levels :love:

If can get BMW Performance steering, I will pay another RM300 for membership again...:top::top:

 

[ssmann]

If can get BMW Performance steering, I will pay another RM300 for membership again...:top::top:

Must try luck bro...never try, never know

 

[masCh]

Yeah, can new members get performance steering if supported by a letter from local clinic? hehehe

 

[Herbert]

Must try luck bro...never try, never know

belum kena belum tau, sudah kena lagi lagi mau!!!

 

[ssmann]

belum kena belum tau, sudah kena lagi lagi mau!!!

Its Friday....so its "hari hari mau" time!!!

 

[fabianyee]

Here are some of my feedback from the Raub drive:

1) Lead car should be ZERO car not Car #1. And sweeper car should be either '00' or 'XX' to differentiate it from other car numbers.
2) there is no designated marshall cars. Marshall cars should be marked with 'MARSHALL' stickers or 'M1', 'M2', 'M3' etc... So that the group knows who are the designated marshall cars. One of marshall's function is stop traffic, if applicable, to allow the whole convoy to pass thru safely. And also to wait up at junctions to let the cars at the back knows where to turn so that they don't missed the junction...

I have been on a long drive with the Audi boys and their marshalling is very good. They rempit more crazy than we do, 300+hp A4 quattro and 400hp S3, and an ex audi owner with a 400hp Scooby... distance between 1st car and last car can be a full 2km apart. But they have a good system to ensure no one gets lost.. Powerful Stickered Marshall cars will take turn to station at junctions where the convoy needs to turn off.

Here's a very comprehensive convoy guide from kiaforte forum, dun play play. A bit overkill with so many designations but there's definitely something we can learn from.
http://www.kiafortemalaysia.com/showthread.php?p=19422

CONVOY GUIDELINES :

A car convoy is made up of eight ('8) parts:

* Zero ( spicy hot)
* Control (doc & loli)
* Hot Cars (...........&..........
* Team Leader (knox............)
* Member's Car
* Back Marker (foong dh volunteer sbb nk pegi sorang...n fatt)
* Sweeper (1.....????/)
* Last Car (1..........

Zero
1. From RV Point towards Destination, ZERO never stops.
2. Produce team listing, arrangement and map beforehand.
3. To give briefing on road safety and convoy before departing.
4. Zero need to control Team Leader as Team leader control the convoy team
5. Always communicate with Control, Team Leader and Last Car.
6. Zero must adjust speed at all times, remembering that the rear of the convoy may be a long way back. Denote pace of convoy before hand.
7. Constantly view mirrors to ensure the convoy is not spacing out too far and always check with Last car
'8. If a lot of traffic lights are encountered, it may be necessary to pull over somewhere safely to reform.
4. A generous use of indicators when changing direction.
5. Inform the group prior to departure of the destination and any stops (perhaps a map & detail).

Control
1. Communicate between Hot Cars, Team Leader and Zero Only.
2. Control the whole convoy and prepare hot cars to mark at any junction
3. Ensure Convoy list are updated and study map before departing
4. Responsible to all cars in convoy.
5. Instruction from Control has to be obeyed by all cars in convoy.

Hot Cars
1. Communicate between Hot Car and Control Only.
2. Stop and Mark at junction according to Control’s Instruction
3. Ensure Convoy list are updated and study map before departing
4. Temporary Zero if Convoy Separate and standby instruction from Control.
5. Standby for Instruction from Control to go back to position

Team Leader
1. Communicate between Team Members, Back Marker, Zero and Control Only.
2. Ensure Convoy list are updated and confirm the communication channel.
3. Brief team members about Safety and Etiquette before departing
4. Control the whole team and ensure the safety of convoy members
5. Report to Zero if there is any problem with convoy members and standby for further instruction

Members' cars (Max 10 Cars - will depends on total numbers of cars)
1. Do not pass unless of an emergency.
2. Watch the leader for passing (use indicators)
3. Maintain a safe distance from the car in front
4. Do not let the car in front get out of sight.
5. Flash your lights if in trouble.
6. Switch on your fog light when you're in convoy.
7. Do not switch on your hazard lights unless the convoy is escorted by police.

Back Marker
1. Communicate between Team Members and Team Leader Only.
2. Ensure Convoy list are updated before departing
3. Follow instruction from Team Leader and inform the status to Team Leader
4. Assist Team Leader to control the whole team and ensure the safety of convoy members
5. Report to Team Leader if there is any problem with convoy members and standby for further instruction.

Sweeper
1. Communicate between Zero, Control, Hot Cars and Last Car Only.
2. Stop and attend to problem / accident if any during convoy.
3. Standby instruction from Control and Zero, report status.
4. Ensure Convoy list are updated and study map before departing
5. Temporary Zero when the convoy breaks.

Last Car
1. Communicate between Zero, Control and Sweeper Only.
2. Ensure Convoy list are updated and study map before departing
3. Last car does not stop in convoy.
4. Standby instruction from Control and Zero, report status.
5. Stop at toll to pay for all convoy cars.
6. Ensure emergency equipment is sufficient for convoy
7. Report to Control and Zero on your speed behind for Zero to denote pace

Convoy Procedures
• A single line convoy
• No cars is allowed to overtake unless instructed by the Team Leaders.
• Speed will be adjusted according to the traffic flow(below 110kmh-highway only).
• All cars must maintain their position at all time.
• Communication via walkies/rig must be short and fast.
• Keep frequency clear for emergency traffic report.
• Everyone must stay in their car until advice by their Team Leaders.
• During the convoy head lights must be on.
• Keep safe distance from the front car.
• No tailgating aka 'cucuk'
• Do not block public cars
• Give way when faster vehicle are overtakingfrom behind.
• Roll slowly when approaching toll gates.

THINGS YOU SHOULD NOT DO
• NO Overtake convoy cars unless instructed.
• NO Tailgate a.k.a ‘Cucuk’
• NO Stop at non-predetermined points (unless you have serious vehicle problem), which will be sorted out.
• NO Rev your engines at any point especially in public areas.
• NO Weave or execute dangerous maneuver.
• NO Fall asleep

THINGS YOU SHOULD DO
• Use hand signals whenever possible.
• Vehicle check.
• Be attentive and alert at all times.
• Space your vehicles accordingly to the speed on the highway and trunk roads (As per instructed)
• Switch on your headlight whenever you are to embark.
• the most IMPORTANT part - Adhere to all the Instructions given

Take Note
• Close the gap whenever approaching traffic light and in town areas while adhering to safety.
• Be extra careful while driving in the rain.
• Have your first aid kit in your vehicle at all times.( If possible )

Respond to Instruction
• Obey to instructions, maintain discipline at all times and ALWAYS
• In case of break down please inform your team leader and pull over to the side of the road and only the Last Car and Support Vehicle will stop and attend to the breakdown.

Very important !
• Be reminded that we are carry OUR club names on our cars and T-shirts. It is proper to be at our best behavior at all times and all participants to follow through the whole event until we are officially disperse.

Fuel Stop Procedures
• Refueling will be done team by team follow team leader instruction
• No one is to step out of the vehicle AT ALL TIMES, unless instructed by team leader

 

[astroboy]

No over taking and follow speed limit is very boring le.
.. and how not to (No fall asleep)..

Let's recap. The 518 was actually the designated as Marshall car for that day. Fabian was the Lead car and QD was the Sweeper.

In a convoy, actually all cars play a role in ensuring the success of the drive. A lot of common sense involved. Every car must stay in sight of the car before him/her and the car behind him/her. When suddenly you don't see the car behind u, must slow down and by doing so, the car before u will do the same and that will slow down the lead car.

I still think overtaking is allowed but until as far as the lead car. Over taking lead car is definitely wrong la. Cucuk the lead car also is wrong.

2km is not long. Imaging 100m apart, 10 cars is already 1km. Therefore, space between cars are very important. 30~50m is ideal. Anything more, it will slow down the convoy as lead car will slow down to pick u up. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[DigitalPunk]

Agree with Astroboy, If no overtake then might as well stay home watch TV. why convoy?! What works with in Audi rules may not work in BMW Club. After all the car is different anyway.

 

[fabianyee]

I think I didn't make it clear enuf, the no overtaking was from kia forte club...
As for the Audi,VW group convoy I went to in my E30, it was open to all... drive it like u stole it... I misquoted by saying the convoy spread over 1-2km, i think it was more like 10km on the trunk road between the 1st car and last car. That trip had about 30 cars including those from S'pore..

On another East Coast trip organised by Club Audi (or rather VAG) which I didn't go, the lead car was a Nissan R34 skyline with a add-on speedo which was giving the wrong speed at above 180kph (stock meter tops up at 180kph). He thot he was going at 210 but in actually fact it was more like 260kph...
On the way, there was a big operasi on the other side of the East Coast Highway, and all these Audis, VW and a few Porsches were gunning it at top speed. No one got stopped on that day..
However, on the next day(Sunday), the big operasi was waiting for them to head back town.... Some of them took the trunk road back and escaped the ops.

Like I said, the kiaForte's rules are a bit overkill but it's always good to have a comprehensive structure to refer to, and then trim it down to what suits us...

Let's recap. The 518 was actually the designated as Marshall car for that day. Fabian was the Lead car and QD was the Sweeper.

1 marshall car for 27 cars is so 'understaffed'.. 1 good ratio should be about 1 marshall car to every 5-8 cars. And marshall cars are also sub-group leaders should the convoy breaks up as they should have walkies to communicate to other marshall cars and lead and sweeper.


And speaking of walkies, we should have a group buy for walkies for those who are more active in drives... The Motorola Talkabout was the defacto walkies for a lot of car clubs. But now a lot have switched to the China mali Puxing walkies with much better coverage and not that much more expensive compared to the Motos.

 

[astroboy]

1 marshall car for 27 cars is so 'understaffed'.. 1 good ratio hould be about 1 marshall car to every 5-8 cars. And marshall cars are also sub-group leaders should the convoy breaks up as they should have walkies to communicate to other marshall cars and lead and sweeper...

1 up!

..And speaking of walkies, we should have a group buy for walkies for those who are more active in drives... The Motorola Talkabout was the defacto walkies for a lot of car clubs. But now a lot have switched to the China mali Puxing walkies with much better coverage and not that much more expensive compared to the Motos.

It did crossed our mind.. the walkie is not cheap.. about half a thousand Ringgit each, we need more than 1 and we tried not to use the club fund. It was mostly handphone communication in the Raub trip, phone line coverage was out at certain stretch and was glad none got lost. Quite an achievement if u ask me.

We all know who were the regular convoy kakis and they all have personal walkie and is constantly in touch with each other that day

"Under-equipped" is a better word to use than under-staffed. Zero car was you fabian because we know you know what to do while the 518 is more suitable as marshall for obvious horse power reason.

QD is a very trusty Sweeper as he never leave anyone behind while in between, we have some regular experience convoy kaki like XXX, Don Franco, mizhan and an half bake yours truly.

20+ cars were broke in to 3 groups of less than 10 cars, with the above name fellas as first car and last car, newbie in the last group. I say its pretty well planned, minus the under equipped part.

Meanwhile, most of the committee member were busy individuals and not regular convoy kaki. So volunteer like yourself to help out in drives is a definite contribution to the club and we need more people like u. :top:

And group buy for walkie is a definite yes, for those regular drive participants. Any volunteer to head the group buy?