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Hey guys, How about going for a nice long drive up north huh ? say maybe Penang. Say sometime end June. Maybe leave 29th and come back 1st July. We have not done something like this for a while now and it would be fun to just have a whole bunch of cars going up north for a 3 day 2 night trip / holiday. Anyone here intrested ? Come lah.. Boring with KL already lah...:p Sith
 
Ok Guys I am looking at driving up on the 29th which is a Friday and coming back on the 30th which is a Sunday

Rough Itenary

29th Friday
Meet up : 7.30am
Push off : 8.30 - 9am
Venue : Sungai Buloh Rest Area
Break @: half way thru after ipoh ( TBA )
Arrive Penang / Lunch / Wash car : 1pm
Check In Hotel about : 2:30PM
Rest of the day : Free and easy
Meet up : with BMWCM Northern members for TT in the evening
After 10: Down to party Zone to bird watch and to have Holy Water :p

30th Saturday
Morning Breakfast : At Hotel possibly
During the day : I need suggestion here guys. anyone know of intresting places there ? I will contact the northern guys to see if they got anything nice there to go visit. Beach activities sounds good here too
After 3pm : Shop till you drop
Evening : How about a beach barbeque
After Hours : Apa lagi ? Same as the nite before lah !!! :D

1st July Saturday
Break fast
Chill out and get what ever you want i.e. last minute shopping.
Before noon : Check Out
Lunch : Find some place intresting ( need to consult OS Flanker or Zoggmeister )
Drive Home...........

Next day get back to work lah !! :(

So guys what do you think... any other suggestions from your side ??

By the way XXX you're in this trip by default ahh...
 
sithwarrior;212765 said:
Guys please indicate how many will be coming with you... I am looking at the Hotels now.... 3days 2 nites enough rite mates

hotels on the mind now

1) Paradise Hotel
2) Crown jewel hotel ( the hotel next to paradise hotel )
3) Hong Kong hotel ( looks like an ancient bangalow )

basically these are all along Batu Ferringgi road ....
 
OK guys, if it is possible at all lets keep this thread spam free as much as possible ya.. So at our very best lets try to make this trip happen by contributing some constructive ideas i.e :-

1. Hotels
2. Activities
3. Route
4. etc etc etc....

Lets have a great holiday ok...
 
Sith..
Casuarina Beach Resort is nice..i stayed there last year during a family holiday.. cant remember how much it was but i guess its about RM200++ with breakfast ..

opposite Casuarina there is a holiday apartment ..i think its called Bayu Emas Apartment but its not by the beach...Its cheaper than d hotel if your going in a big group...cheersssss
 
Penang island is very small, there are actually more vehicles than human population, no thanks to the high concentration of cub bikes... there will always be parking problems, every day... like E3six says, the inner city of George Town will always be congested, school holidays or not...
 
Teluk Bahang... hmmm, haven't been there for a while already, not too sure whether there's any road straightening/widening works between Teluk Bahang and Balik Pulau... but I'm very sure there is plenty of road straightening/widening works between Bayan Lepas and Balik Pulau, this is the southern side of the round-island circuit.

Anyway, the short (less than 1km, maybe only 500 metres) steep uphill stretch between the Teluk Bahang forest reserve entrance till the top of Teluk Bahang dam is damn nice, for uphill/downhill drifting... but make sure there's no cops and no other vehicles around first.
 
[SIZE=+1]For thos ewho have not been up there, like me here's some info on Penang hill, this is just a suggestion. We dont have to do this if many of you dont fancy it.

Penang's very own Arcadia in the clouds

[SIZE=+1]Introduction [/SIZE]
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Penang Hill is the state's foremost hill resort. Although it was originally called Flagstaff Hill, the locals have always affectionately referred to it as Penang Hill or Bukit Bendera. At about 830 metres (2,750 feet) from sea level, the temperature on the hilltop is considerably cooler than the nether lands. On regular weekdays, the hill is pretty quiet and can serve as a recuperative getaway, far from the madding crowd and city heat.
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[SIZE=-1]The name change from Penang Hill to Bukit Bendera (I don't quite remember when exactly) actually takes it back to the early days of Penang Hill, when a flag fluttering from a flagstaff or flagpole on Bel Retiro, the home of Penang's governor at the time, was used as a beacon, or signal 'transmitter' to Fort Cornwallis. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A quick gallop through history[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]According to history books, it was Francis Light who first plotted a pack-horse track to Penang Hill from the Botanic Gardens waterfall way back in 1788. During the 19th century, British colonials built bungalows on the hill for private use. Even during the early part of the 20th century, the bungalows on higher ground were home to planters and administrators while the rich Chinese towkays built theirs, which were no less grandiose, on the way up the hill. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Before the completion of the funicular railway, those wanting to travel up Penang Hill had to do so by being seated in a sedan chair (one passenger per chair) held aloft by six bearers. Each bearer was paid 46 cents per trip. [/SIZE]
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The first attempt at constructing a railway began in 1897, and construction was completed only in 1906. Service was launched in 1923. On 4 December 1979, four modern Swiss-made coaches replaced the slow and rickety old ones. The new coaches travel at an average rate of 1.5 metres per second, and takes about 25 minutes or so to travel along the length of the railway track, which is 2007 metres long. The height at the apex is 701 metres above sea level. In the picture on the right, the new coach is making its maiden journey up while the old one is heading back to the lower station – for the last time.
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[SIZE=-1]Although common in Europe and Japan, the funicular railway in Penang is reputedly one-of-a-kind in Southeast Asia.
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[SIZE=-1]An actual specimen of the old coach now sits outside the Penang Museum, and serves as a souvenir shop owned by the Penang Heritage Trust. Some of the original houses still stand. These include the Bel Retiro, Convalescent, Grace Dieu and Fairmont. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Getting to Penang Hill[/SIZE]
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There are several ways you can get up to Penang Hill. The most common is by the over 80 year-old funicular railway. If you are willing to stand in a crowded compartment for about approximately 30 minutes (weekends and public holidays are especially jam packed) RM4 buys you a return ticket (check the railway schedule at the end of the article). You can also hire a car to drive you up but costs can be pretty steep.
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[SIZE=-1]But going up Penang Hill by train or car is a little like driving on the highways because you miss the glorious sights and the sense of adventure. To make your trip to Penang Hill truly worthwhile, the way to go is to get on your feet and hike up. There are several ways of doing this and I am highlighting five of them. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Tips for the hiker: Wear comfortable shoes, sandals or go barefoot. Wear polyester (or other non-absorbent material) t-shirts. Bring along at least 500ml of drinking water per person, a torchlight and towel. Depending on the weather, the the best times to hike are either early morning (6am) or late afternoon (from 4pm). If you feel faint, stop and sit down. The jeep track and hiking trails to and from Penang Hill are not lighted, so start your descent before 6.30pm if you are afraid of the dark![/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Sele[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]cted hiki[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ng trails to Penang Hill[/SIZE]
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The jeep track next to the Botanic Gardens
[SIZE=-1] (very tiring, takes about 45 minutes or so). Take a break at '48' (a playground) and '84' (a rest stop). The latter is more or less the halfway mark between 'hill and dale', and serves free cups of hot coffee and Chinese tea and biscuits. 84 opens during late afternoon and closes at 7pm. After you've had your coffee, leave a little something in the collection box which will go towards the 'operating costs' of 84. [/SIZE]
The stepped walk in the Botanic Gardens[SIZE=-1] will take you to 48. If you're up to it, you can do some chin-ups on the monkey bars at the playground. If not, simply massage your feet on the reflexology path. After resting, you make your way to 84 and then up to Penang Hill. The stepped climb can be exhausting for some people but I've seen young and old attempting it with gusto. [/SIZE]
Hye Keat Estate in Air Itam[SIZE=-1] – a rather gentle slope takes you to 84 while walking through fruit and vegetable farms. One path takes you to 84 whilst another which branches off from Hye Keat takes you to the Middle Station. The breathtaking view of Penang's southside from a Chinese temple, just before the Middle Station, is worth all the sweat and muscle cramps. From the Middle Station, hitch a free ride to the top of Penang Hill or down to Air Itam. [/SIZE]
Via the Tiger Hill trail [SIZE=-1]– a very punishing 8km uphill hike starting from Air Itam (near the Kek Lok Si) to the Air Itam Dam, from there towards Tiger Hill and then finally exiting at Summit Road. A 30-minute walk from this point takes you to Penang Hill's 'city centre'. If your legs haven't turned to jelly by now, do try the Canopy Walk (it's free). I tried this trail once by myself and it took me about five hours (!) with numerous rests in between. The sights are fabulous – a mist covered valley, giant bamboo trees, crystal cool ponds, a farm, wild dogs, a derelict hut, lots of fishes swimming in the streams and a path with an 'arch' formed by huge wild ginger plants growing on both sides, their tips meeting in the middle. You have to try this hike at least once in your life. [/SIZE]
Moon Gate at Waterfall Road[SIZE=-1], about five minutes away from the Botanic Garden entrance. According to the excellent Selected Nature Trails of Penang*, this 5km trail takes you to Bukit Bendana and 84. * This 2nd edition of this guide book covers 18 hiking trails on the island. The descriptions are pretty detailed and accompanied by informative maps.[SIZE=-1] [/SIZE][/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Places to stop by on Penang Hill[/SIZE]
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Most hill resorts in Malaysia are either overdeveloped or run the risk of future ruination brought on by too much change to the ecosystem and ambience. Bukit Bendera has more or less, and one can breath a sigh of relief, retained its charm and peacefulness after more than two centuries of building and occupation. Be that as it may, Bukit Bendera isn't unique among hill resorts in Malaysia. Bukit Larut (formerly Maxwell's Hill) in Taiping also boasts several antiquated bungalows and rest houses. The air is equally cool and the surroundings unspoilt. Life on Bukit Larut is quiet and peaceful.
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[SIZE=-1]But back to Penang. A common complaint among a few Penangites and out-of-towners is that there is nothing much to do on the hill. They say that there is no entertainment or fun things to do up there. But anyone who has spent enough time on Bukit Bendera will tell you that such complaints and opinions are unfounded and even a little misleading. Here's why ... [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]After alighting from the train at the Upper Station, make your way towards the following spots: [/SIZE]
ONE: [SIZE=-1]The bird sanctuary at the Bellevue Hotel grounds. Take your time, walk slowly and study the habits and plumage of each and every bird. Spend at least 30 minutes here. Entrance fee is RM4 for adults and RM2 for children, and operating hours are 9am to 6pm, seven days a week. [/SIZE]
TWO: [SIZE=-1]While you are at the Bellevue, grab a seat in the garden and order a cool drink and some light snacks. Sip slowly while you savour the panoramic view of George Town, Tanjung Bungah and the mainland. The Bellevue also serves food and snacks at a reasonable price so you can have your lunch here as well. Try the steamboat served during lunch and dinner. Bring along a good book or good company and spend at least two hours here. [/SIZE]
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THREE:
[SIZE=-1]After lunch, go for a little stroll along Jalan Sultan Yahya Petra. Stop for 15 to 30 minutes at the overlook, breathe in scent of fresh highland air, admire the views and listen to the chirpings of birds and insects. Then continue walking. Note the houses, gardens and landscaping on both sides of the road. Study their shapes, shadows and colours. Note the diversity of elements that create contrasts between extremes – a charming little cottage here, a palatial bungalow over there and a huge rampart surrounding a manor down below. No two houses are quite the same. The several times I have been here gave me the impression that the denizens of Bukit Bendera are a private lot. The gates are often left opened, but you seldom see the occupants up and around or pottering in the garden. You're more likely to see the hired help or the guard dog. I am somewhat reminded of the houses I saw in Geneva, Switzerland, where you seldom, if ever, got a glimpse of the occupants. The walk up and down this road will take you at least two hours minimum. According to the Penang Hill leaflet, Summit Road sight seeing bus and jeep tours are available for RM1 (bus) and RM5 (jeep) per person, and tickets are available at the Upper Station booking office. [/SIZE]
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FOUR:
[SIZE=-1]If you want a little excitement before tea time, try the aforementioned Canopy Walk, which is a suspension bridge hanging over the treetops. To truly appreciate the sights, you need to spend at least 30 minutes here, whether by yourself or with a companion. There is no entrance charge and it is opened seven days a week. [/SIZE]
FIVE:[SIZE=-1] It's time for tea and you are spoilt for choice! Where to go? What to eat? How about the Tea Kiosk for some Hakka styled beehoon? Or the food court for some Malay style fried mee? And then some ice kacang afterwards to wash it all down. Beer is available from the Chinese vendors. Understandably, prices here are slightly steeper than those on the ground. Take your time and eat slowly because no one will rush you. You will spend around 30 minutes to an hour here just eating. After your meal, check out the touristy souvenirs on sale at the food court. [/SIZE]
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SIX:
[SIZE=-1]Some six hours have passed and you still haven't seen the Indian Temple and Mosque which is situated on a hillock, and built side by side. If you have the time, stroll by for a visit. Notice how even on a hilltop, two vastly different religions can co-exist peacefully.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]When you come back next time, explore all the little trails and byways found throughout the hilltop. Conduct a little nature survey – quietly observe the wildlife and plants that are found on the hill. Bring along a sketch pad and crayons. A portable telescope could provide hours of fun.[/SIZE]
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If you want to hold a conference in Penang, why not at the Railway Bungalow on Penang Hill? The building underwent renovation and complete refurbishment in 2001. It is equipped with audio-visual facilities and can accommodate from 30 to 50 participants. Get further details from the Hill Railway Station.
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[SIZE=-1]So who said that there is nothing to do on Bukit Bendera? Leave your cares and worries at home and get packing for a hilltop excursion.[/SIZE]
 
Just to let you guys know that the team that is organising this trip is made up of
  1. Sithwarrior
  2. Iceman63
  3. Iceman13
  4. Redbaron
  5. Pussy
  6. Lhan328
  7. ManCyber
  8. Bailey
Can everyone please PM me your numbers... I will need to do a list.

The shortlisted hotels, the price of this trip and the activities will be announced shortly. Stay tuned !!!!

Thank You
Sith
 
OK guys, I just cleaned up the thread, please no unecessary chit chats ya....

OK lets see...

Macassel... have you confirmed if you can make it or not ?

Zamtresco, Can I safely assume that you're in ? How do you propose this gold game ? Let us know I am sure the ardent golfers would enjoy this.

Can these people please PM me your numbers

1. DMC
2. THsaw
3. Loner1my
4. Don Franco
5. Slide

Also can everyone confirm how many people / children will be joining you for this trip.

Thanks
Sith
 
Sith,

The club manager at Bukit Jambul is my friend. So I dont see any problem to arrange a golf game there. Perhaps on 30th June, morning.......
 
zamtresco;219281 said:
Sith,

The club manager at Bukit Jambul is my friend. So I dont see any problem to arrange a golf game there. Perhaps on 30th June, morning.......

No worries bro, just need to know if you're coming or not. Need to book for BBQ and accomodation
 
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  1. All vehicles must be legally registered and roadworthy or applicable permits in place.
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  4. When asked to depart, line up behind the leader as quickly as possible to avoid any lengthy delays to traffic.
  5. Unless advised otherwise, please ensure you have a meal before you leave home.
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  • Sometime the general traffic / other road users would at times join or hold up a convoy. It is not a must that all convoy members must strictly be together if general traffic has broken the convoy. as long as members can clearly see and are not excessively behind the next car in front, members should continue in that lane and not overtake and risk cutting in front of the car you are overtaking.
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In case of difficulties or problems:


If a vehicle breaks down or you experience any problems requiring you to pull over and stop, stay with your vehicle and contact the one of the organising committee members.

Convoy Structure:

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  • Trip Leader
  • Members cars
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  3. If a lot of traffic lights are encountered, it may be necessary to pull over somewhere safely to reform.
  4. A generous use of indicators when changing direction.
  5. Inform the group prior to departure of the destination and any stops
  6. If the convoy is too large to keep together form 2 groups.
B: Members' cars
  1. Do not pass unless of an emergency.
  2. Watch the leader for passing (use indicators)
  3. Maintain a safe distance from the car in front (1 car length )
  4. Do not let the car in front get out of sight.
  5. Flash your lights if in trouble.
C: Sweeper ( Tail End Baya )

1. Keep visual contact with the Trip Leader (if possible).
2. Use walkies or HP to contact leader and other committee members if necessary.
3. Contact leader and ask to slow down if the cars at the rear have to travel too fast to keep up.


Lets Have Safe Journey !!
 
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DmC;220170 said:
Sith,
I've just PMed you..

dear fellas/committee

am interested to join, however my flight from miri on that friday @ 7pm. is it possible to join the group on saturday (could be in the evening).
 
TJShell;220179 said:
dear fellas/committee

am interested to join, however my flight from miri on that friday @ 7pm. is it possible to join the group on saturday (could be in the evening).

Hey TJ,

There will be guys coming up on Saturday. Do refer to the list. You are most welcome to join us on saturday. Welcome aboard.

Sith
 
To Penang
Depart : 29th June 2007(Friday)
Meetup Point : Sungai Buloh Rest Area
Time : 7am

Back to KL
Depart : 1st July ( Sunday )
Time : TBA / DOH

Can everyone please indicate how many with you and if you guys will require more than one room.

1. Sithwarrior (alone, maybe 1) - E36
2. Bailey Barley Mcloud & family - E39
3. Iceman13 - E36
4. Iceman 63 +1 - E39
5. Pussy - E30
6. Albundy (with my candid camera) - E36 Blow Job
7. Mann Ciber + 1 - E34
8. Lhan 528 - E39
9. Dmc (Maybe 3 friends are following me & Boss hasn't confirm my leave) - E28
10. thsaw99 (probably will be there earlier, will join for weekend and drive back)
11. loner1my
12. SarJeePekAi - E36
13. Msport525i - E64
14. Alvin - E30 M3
15. BMW2002 - 2002tii
16. Don Franco - E34 , with gf
17. Mafia - E30
18. Nikkazwaa
19. Okow-E46 Work commitment, cant make it.
20. Zamtresco ( I hope )-E36
21. Dr Sanjeev + 1- E36


Driving on Saturday
1. Jerman (No accomodation needed) - E39
2. Fabianyee (convoy with Jerman on Sat) - E30

Dont need accomodation
1. Slide with GF. (Am in either for the drive up or down) - E46
2. Sanjay NV (with my gals)-e39
3. Kelvin Leong (with his gal)-e39
 
To Penang
Depart : 29th June 2007(Friday)
Meetup Point : Sungai Buloh Rest Area
Time : 7am

Back to KL
Depart : 1st July ( Sunday )
Time : TBA / DOH

Can everyone please indicate how many with you and if you guys will require more than one room.

1. Sithwarrior (alone, maybe 1) - E36
2. Bailey Barley Mcloud & family - E39
3. Iceman13 - E36
4. Iceman 63 +1 - E39
5. Pussy - E30
6. Albundy (with my candid camera) - E36 Blow Job
7. Mann Ciber + 1 - E34
8. Lhan 528 - E39
9. Dmc - E28 (Boss didnt approve the leave.. So cant join u guys on Friday.. Most probably will join the convoy on Saturday)
10. thsaw99 (probably will be there earlier, will join for weekend and drive back)
11. loner1my
12. SarJeePekAi - E36
13. Msport525i - E64
14. Alvin - E30 M3
15. BMW2002 - 2002tii
16. Don Franco - E34 , with gf
17. Mafia - E30
18. Nikkazwaa
19. Okow-E46 Work commitment, cant make it.
20. Zamtresco ( I hope )-E36
21. Dr Sanjeev + 1- E36


Driving on Saturday
1. Jerman (No accomodation needed) - E39
2. Fabianyee (convoy with Jerman on Sat) - E30

Dont need accomodation
1. Slide with GF. (Am in either for the drive up or down) - E46
2. Sanjay NV (with my gals)-e39
3. Kelvin Leong (with his gal)-e39
 
To Penang
Depart : 29th June 2007(Friday)
Meetup Point : Sungai Buloh Rest Area
Time : 7am

Back to KL
Depart : 1st July ( Sunday )
Time : TBA / DOH

Can everyone please indicate how many with you and if you guys will require more than one room.

1. Sithwarrior (alone, maybe 1) - E36
2. Bailey Barley Mcloud & family - E39
3. Iceman13 - E36
4. Iceman 63 +1 - E39
5. Pussy - E30
6. Albundy (with my candid camera) - E36 Blow Job
7. Mann Ciber + 1 - E34
8. Lhan 528 - E39
9. Dmc - E28 (Boss didnt approve the leave.. So cant join u guys on Friday.. Most probably will join the convoy on Saturday)
10. thsaw99 (probably will be there earlier, will join for weekend and drive back)
11. loner1my
12. SarJeePekAi - E36
13. Msport525i - E64
14. Alvin - E30 M3
15. BMW2002 - 2002tii
16. Don Franco - E34 , with gf
17. Mafia - E30
18. Nikkazwaa
19. Okow-E46 Work commitment, cant make it.
20. Zamtresco ( I hope )-E36
21. Dr Sanjeev + 1- E36


Driving on Saturday
1. Jerman (No accomodation needed) - E39
2. Fabianyee (convoy with Jerman on Sat) - E30
3. Mont-o (60% confirm) - E36

Dont need accomodation
1. Slide with GF. (Am in either for the drive up or down) - E46
2. Sanjay NV (with my gals)-e39
3. Kelvin Leong (with his gal)-e39

sorry mates, we can't do the DRIVE,gotta work pass the weekend - shootin.
"enjoy urself,mates"
 
Today is 15 June... another 13 days to go, need to start collecting money already to book the rooms.


i believe that sith is waiting to start a new thread with the itenary and the basic amount to be paid..


Mr. iceman63(my owner), required for the name list of the cars coming for the police escort into Penang..

Those coming please pen down your car reg.


thanks.


Felix@pussy:)
 
pussy;223231 said:
Today is 15 June... another 13 days to go, need to start collecting money already to book the rooms.


i believe that sith is waiting to start a new thread with the itenary and the basic amount to be paid..


Mr. iceman63(my owner), required for the name list of the cars coming for the police escort into Penang..

Those coming please pen down your car reg.


thanks.


Felix@pussy:)

yes if everybody could please pen down your car registration numbers, it would be great.

Thanks
Sith
 
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