klasse vs zaino

[maxxsp]

hey there macdude,

Zaino AIO is more of a surface cleanser rather than actually removing swirls & such. What does the statement about Z5 from the quick tips section have to do with Z-AIO?
Also pretty sure that there are no/negligible benefits by applying Z5 with an RO.

Have to agree with you, Z-CS is way overrated though.
In terms of looks Zaino is very glossy but lacks the warmth of a carnauba like P21S.
Zaino is much harder to apply than other sealants/waxes and I find using the ZFX Accelerator extremely fiddly.

 

[macdude]

@dripinrain: Both products are quite average products so don't expect much durability but a quick way to maintain it is to apply a round of Quick Detailer(Meg's UQD, QD, Zaino's Z6/Z8, etc.) after each wash. Beyond that, if you're a DIY person, give the car a coat of wax/sealant every month. That should help ;-)

@maxxsp: Zaino AIO is actually a light polish with some abrasives and as such it's purpose is it remove minor swirls so it isn't quite just a surface cleanser per se. It's designed to do some level of corrective work before the Z2/Z5 Pro polishes are layered. Again, it isn't quite effective, save for car paintwork that's already in very good condition. So my statement was in effect explaining that AIO isn't a very capable surface preparation product and the Z5 Pro is strictly a pure polish/coating, meaning that it's a swirl filler rather than a remover. The Porsche required a fair bit of detailing work to correct the paintwork flaws and this was an area Zaino came up short of. I had to use compounds and polishes from Meguiar's and Menzerna to correct the paintwork before I could use the Zaino products. I don't mask these imperfections as my work is to ensure that the paintwork is immaculate. The quote was included to clarify that.

In terms of applying Z5 with an orbital, it's what I use as I've got custom-made microfiber pads for layering waxes/sealants so it's either a rotary for paintwork correction or an orbital for the finishing touches. Also, an orbital guarantees a uniform coat of the last step product or LSP. Plus it's quicker too.

Zaino's Clear Seal remains a bit of a mystery. From the tests, I can't say I'm entirely satisfied but I should know in the next month. I'll continue the testing phase but will probably include some finishes without Z-CS. But to their advantage, although layering is very complicated and time-consuming, Z2 and Z5 Pro doesn't smear or streak. Which is very noticeable on dark-colored cars when sealants like Meguiar's M21 are used. It's also fairly easy to apply and remove.

Cheers!

 

[dripinrain]

Hah.. average onli ah. What are the superior brands ? What do you think of Black Magic ? I c sold at shell. Seems to be top ranked by some consumer report in usa. How abt mothers ? Hope to hear yr frank view.

I c.. R quik detailers interchangeable with other sealants/waxes ? Meaning i use X sealant, then followed by brand Y q.d. Shld b ok rite ? Zaino seems to stress on their interlinkage of products. Lets say klasse sealant then z6 / z8 can ?

 

[macdude]

Hah.. average onli ah. What are the superior brands ? What do you think of Black Magic ? I c sold at shell. Seems to be top ranked by some consumer report in usa. How abt mothers ? Hope to hear yr frank view.

I c.. R quik detailers interchangeable with other sealants/waxes ? Meaning i use X sealant, then followed by brand Y q.d. Shld b ok rite ? Zaino seems to stress on their interlinkage of products. Lets say klasse sealant then z6 / z8 can ?

For compounds and polishes, the popular threesome are Meguiar's, 3M and Menzerna. They each have very good wax/sealant products as well. Some of the other brands I could recommend are SmartWax, Zaino and the likes. The tried and tested. As I mentioned before, I'm not a fan of consumer reports. They hardly seem accurate in most cases.

In terms of quick detailers, they are mostly compatible if you stay within the brands I mentioned. I could use Zaino's Z6/Z8 interchangeably with Meguiar's Quick Detailer or SmartWax's SmartDetail. No issues. Always test a small area prior to application.
Happy Detailing!

 

[dripinrain]

Hey, the klasse is whitish liquid right ? Is it supossed to have milky solids in them ?

I shook the bottle like crazy but still same.

 

[kelvin@autorage]

Great to see an interest in Zaino here. Drop us a line or PM if you have questions.

Thanks,
Zaino Asia

 

[kelvin@autorage]

Zaino AIO is more of a surface cleanser rather than actually removing swirls & such. What does the statement about Z5 from the quick tips section have to do with Z-AIO?

Zaino AIO is actually a light polish with some abrasives and as such it's purpose is it remove minor swirls so it isn't quite just a surface cleanser per se. It's designed to do some level of corrective work before the Z2/Z5 Pro polishes are layered.

There's a product called Z-PC which is aligned for swirls and minor defects. Z-PC can work with a Rotary or DA. For more info, see http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2...Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino&Product_Count=6

Zaino is much harder to apply than other sealants/waxes and I find using the ZFX Accelerator extremely fiddly.

I find application a breeze...perhaps a couple layers of THIN coats does the 'trick' for us. And for a full sized vehicle, topping half of the application bottle and 2-3 drops of Z-FX will do.

 

[maxxsp]

I find application a breeze...perhaps a couple layers of THIN coats does the 'trick' for us. And for a full sized vehicle, topping half of the application bottle and 2-3 drops of Z-FX will do.

when i meant it is hard to apply, the applicator pad 'grips' the surface of the car when applying. it is also harder to buff off.
also, what other sealants need to be mixed?
i find having to pour from one bottle to another abit messy although i guess most home users wont need to use the Z-FX accelerator.

i am in no way implying that zaino is not a good product, so dont take this the wrong way. so far, zaino is the most durable sealant i have used and the fact that Z-FX allows me to give it a few layers in a day makes it even better.

ps: would you be so kind as to post up the prices of the zaino range in malaysia? saves me the trouble of importing.

 

[kelvin@autorage]

when i meant it is hard to apply, the applicator pad 'grips' the surface of the car when applying. it is also harder to buff off.
also, what other sealants need to be mixed?

Try 'misting' the cotton applicator pad with a couple squirks of Z-6. Or 'damp' it by dipping quickly into a bucket of clean water and squeeze out. We find that a washed and dried applicator can be 'grippy'.

When it is 'more' difficult to buff off, we know that there could be slight to more overloading of product. If you like, we suggest light squirks of Z-6 to assist in the buffing off. Do you experience streaking or smearing during buffing since I believe yours is a Black colour ride? The reason why i ask is because the first sign of overloading is stubborn streak marks that takes more effort to clean off.

i find having to pour from one bottle to another abit messy although i guess most home users wont need to use the Z-FX accelerator.

You can also try other methods like using a clinical syringe or a 'soft' bottle like those used to contain children's water colours. We find that direct pouring of product onto pad usually ties in with overloading. And you wouldn't want to mix all the Z-FX into the product bottle...it'll dry up and the whole bottle is gone.

i am in no way implying that zaino is not a good product, so dont take this the wrong way. so far, zaino is the most durable sealant i have used and the fact that Z-FX allows me to give it a few layers in a day makes it even better.

ps: would you be so kind as to post up the prices of the zaino range in malaysia? saves me the trouble of importing.

No worries here. We understand and appreciate your valuable comments. Thanks for the confidence in our products. As for prices, we'll send u a PM shortly.

 

[kelvin@autorage]

Juz wanted to put up a couple shox of Zaino's 'clear shine' on a black ride...

 

[slk]

No worries here. We understand and appreciate your valuable comments. Thanks for the confidence in our products. As for prices, we'll send u a PM shortly.

Can you PM me the prices, shipping information and your website address too? Thank you

 

[GMNIMan]

Where can I get Zaino here in Malaysia? I have tried to get in touch with the distributor agent in Singapore, but he did not reply. Then I tried Kelvin@autorage and he has chosen to ignore me too.

Any other more reliable sources around?

 

[dripinrain]

Hmm.. i'm game to give a try too.

Hey, Kevin. R u here ? Lets hear abt the price.

 

[GMNIMan]

Hmmm, I was just wondering if I were to get the distributorship from Zaino, will the demand for this product here in Malaysia be viable?

Any opinions?

 

[kelvin@autorage]

Can you PM me the prices, shipping information and your website address too? Thank you

Hi slk,

Hope you've gotten the PM on the prices. Do let us know.

Where can I get Zaino here in Malaysia? I have tried to get in touch with the distributor agent in Singapore, but he did not reply. Then I tried Kelvin@autorage and he has chosen to ignore me too.

Any other more reliable sources around?

Hi GMNIMan,

Thanks for your interests. We do not currently have a re-seller in Malaysia. And sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We have sent you an email. Do let us know if you have any questions.

Thanks.

 

[kelvin@autorage]

I have tried to get in touch with the distributor agent in Singapore, but he did not reply.

Who did you initially contact from Singapore?

Our present efforts are in Asia with a good presence in Singapore.

Thanks,

 

[GMNIMan]

Who did you initially contact from Singapore?

Our present efforts are in Asia with a good presence in Singapore.

Thanks,

Thanks. I have received your email and will be contacting you shortly.

The email address that I wrote to was "zymga@singnet.com.sg" and I got this address from the Zaino website.

For starters, can you please recommend on what I would need to get me going on getting my car Zainoed. I regularly wax my car, but unfortunately the best that I can get here in Sabah is only Turtle Wax "Platinum". Gives a fairly good shine, but unfortunately it doesn't last.

I know that I can get Meguiars quite easily from Peninsular Malaysia, but from the many tests reviews that I have read from countless forums all over the world, even the Megs do not quite last as well. It seems to be the general consensus world-wide that Zaino is the very best that money can buy, nothing comes even close, Meguiars, Zymol, Klasse, 3M you name it. If you want the numero uno, Zaino seems to be 'The One'.

In all honesty, I have no idea just how good Zaino is compared to the rest, but I guess I just cannot go wrong if I go with the overwhelming majority of all users.

Thanks.

 

[kelvin@autorage]

Thanks for your confidence in our range of products. To 'zaino' from a fresh start, we typically recommend the following steps:

1. Surface preparation (very important) - First and only wash with Dawn Dish Washing detergent. Prepare a solution of water and Z-7 (Car shampoo), use Z-18 (Claybar) and Z-7 solution to smoothen the surface and rid contaminants.

2. Use Z-AIO as a base cleanser and bonding agent for subsequent application of the popular Z-2 Pro or Z-5 Pro sealants.

3. Together with Z-FX, use either Z-2 Pro or Z-5 Pro to layer the sealant on. We recommend up to 3 layers in one session.

4. To give extra pop, use Z-8 after buffing off the last layer of sealant.

The above steps are as brief as possible and may not reflect the total workings of the Zaino system. Please let us know if you have further questions.

Thank you.

 

[Brian @ Zaino]

Order information

Hi Slk

PM sent.

Cheers

Brian

 

[kelvin@autorage]

Perhaps for those who are interested to sample our products in KL region, we can start a group buy initiative.

We're sure all of you can save some by consolidating the orders...

Do let us know.