Engine Oil: 10w40 or 5w30

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I'm planning to do an oil change end of this month and was thinking to move back to 10w40 engine oil. Currently and 1 year during pre-overhaul I'm using 15w50. But before that I was on 10w40. So now I'm not sure to go back to 10w40 or should I give 5w30 a try. What do you think? My ride is the M52B28 and just did a top overhaul 1 month ago. Tq :burnout:
 
Always start with the thinner synthetic oil... as long as you are not suffering from evaporation or leakage in the system, you are alright.

Why some people say old engine not suitable for thinner oil? that's because once the engine get used to thicker oil, switching to thinner oil will result in leakage in the system, be it wet engine or white smoke. As long as you are not suffering from these, go thin! 0w-30 if possible.. :wink: Good pick up, light engine, light rev, good FC, good heat transfer, same protection... unless u complain engine noisy lor..
 
ALBundy;403313 said:
For M52 try the 5w 30 or 5W 40, better fuel mileage.

Cheers

You know any semi 5w30 or 5w40? KC intro me to Pennzoil 5w30.

Btw, I thought of going for Liqui Moly but their semi is 10w40.
 
10w40 is the recommended grade for tropical temperatures by BMW, you can go thinner but, loss of oil up to 1 litre between oil change is not uncommon due to evaporation.
 
http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

Maybe this can help with deciding which oil to use.

I've tried a few different types of oil before and they're all fully synthetic ones.

0W40 (Petronas Syntium 5000) - Alot of evaporation! I had to top up about 3 litres after a trip down to Penang. I was driving fast though.

10W40 (Ravenol) - Less, but I still had to top up about 1.5litres after driving about 6000km.

10W60 (Castrol Edge Sport, current) - Just did an oil change last week. Still too early to tell but first impressions is engine feels smoother and quieter now.

Next oil change I'm going to try Liqui Moly.

Driving a E36 328i as well.
 
Something to share with you guys regarding LL98 and LL01 approved oils and regarding about the weight of oil ... An easy to read article :D


"I'm going to chime in here as a long time oil enthusiest that has spent way to much time on the subject. If you really want to get into it, go spend some time on bobistheoilguy.com and you will get a whole plethera of knowledge.

What to look for in a BMW oil:

1) BMW has its own oil specs. They are BMW Long Life (LL). There have been three standards LL-98, LL-01, and LL-04. BMW LL-98 allows for Group III hydrocracked oils, but LL-01 is stricter and only allows for Group IV or Group V based oils. LL-04 is very new, designed for primarly diesels in Europe and no oils sold in the US actually are LL-04 approved (Amsoil doesn't count as they claim their oil meets the standard, but it isn't approved).

2) The proper oil for all climates is an oil that meets BMW LL-01 or better. There are only three oils that actually meet this spec widely available in the US. Mobil 1 0w-40, Valvoline 5w-40 Synpower, and Castrol 0w-30 (you have to be careful with the Castrol, there are two versions out there, the one you want will say on the back in little writing that it is made in Germany, and will specifically list the BMW spec, Mercedes 229.3 & 229.5 and ACEA A3).

3) All BMW Long Life oils are ACEA A3 oils. An ACEA A3 oil means that it has a high temp high shear (HTHS @ 150c) of more than 3.5. Note that A3 is mutually exclusive of ACEA A1 & A5. A1 & A5 oils have an HTHS of less than 3.5. A5 is simply a newer and stricter standard of A1, so if an oil is A5 rated than it is also A1 rated. NOT ALL A3 OILS ARE BMW LL OILS, ONLY THOSE SPECIFICALLY LABLED AS SUCH.

4) Mobil 1 30 weight oils are not A3 or LL approved. So the next question that will be asked is why does BMW USA recommend them? It is because they never have updated their recomendation from the 90's when Mobil 1 was available in the US in either 30 or 50 weight. There was no 0w-40 then. THE ONLY MOBIL 1 OIL THAT IS BMW LL APPROVED IS THE 0W-40.

5) Don't get to hung up on weight. 30 weight oil runs from about 9.5-12.5 cst at 100c. Mobil 1 30 weights are forumlated on the light end of the 30 weight scale at about 10.5 cst, so are nearly 20 weight. By contrast BMW's relabled Castrol 30 weight is about 12.2 cst, which is nearly a 40 weight. As a rule of thumb, Mobil formulates on the light end of any grade, Amsoil on the heavy end.

6) Redline is a great race oil. For street use it does not work well for extended intervals. The problem is that their chemestry is very old and the oil tends to oxidate quickly and generate higher wear number than Mobil 1 or Amsoil when used in street vehicles.

7) The best widely available oils for your BMW. 1) Mobil 1 0w-40, 2) BMW 5w30 synth. Why the Group III BMW oil when it is only LL-98 approved instead of the better LL-01? It is because the 15k interval used by BMW is to far for even Mobil 1 oils under most conditions, so either oil should be changed at 10k or less intervals. As it is easiest to just change once between the indicator lights (about 7.5k miles) the advantage that Group IV oils have over the BMW labled oils are largely negated.

8) You want Mobil 1 0w-40 but cant find it. Mobil 1 5w-40 Truck and SUV will work fine. Note it is not not BMW LL approved or ACEA A3 rated, but meets the spec with an HTHS of 4.1.

To answer the specific questions of the poster. The Amsoil 0w-30 is a good oil BUT DOES NOT MEET ACEA A3 OR BMW LL-01 SPECS. The Amsoil that claims it meets BMW LL-01 and ACEA A3 is the 5w-40 (note they don't have the approvals, likely because of the cost of obtaining them). There is no point in running Mobil 1 15w-50, all it will do is give you lower gas mileage and no real increase in protection. Also, the BMW Vanos system doesn't like 50 weight oils. I ran 15w-50 for years in my wifes M50 motor 525i and then switched to 0w-40. I found the car had less startup noise, got about 1mpg more on average, and oil consuption dropped from 1 quart every 1500 miles to 1 quart every 4-5000 miles."


http://bimmer.tribe.net/thread/cf7e78ff-0840-46cd-af6a-d7c8ab637182
 
loafer;403556 said:
http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

Maybe this can help with deciding which oil to use.

I've tried a few different types of oil before and they're all fully synthetic ones.

0W40 (Petronas Syntium 5000) - Alot of evaporation! I had to top up about 3 litres after a trip down to Penang. I was driving fast though.

10W40 (Ravenol) - Less, but I still had to top up about 1.5litres after driving about 6000km.

10W60 (Castrol Edge Sport, current) - Just did an oil change last week. Still too early to tell but first impressions is engine feels smoother and quieter now.

Next oil change I'm going to try Liqui Moly.
Driving a E36 328i as well.

Loafer,
Thanks for the info and a very good self-analysis. Share the experience with much thicker oil 10W/60 in due course. My E39 also requires top-up of 1 litre after some 7000km. I'm running on Mobil 1 (10W/50)
 
kevster30;403555 said:
10w40 is the recommended grade for tropical temperatures by BMW, you can go thinner but, loss of oil up to 1 litre between oil change is not uncommon due to evaporation.

Kev,
Why Japanese engines eg Camry, Accord...etc do not need any top-up at all? Even the Cefiro 3 litres (VQ engine was once voted to be among the best engine) only runs on 4 litres of engine oil? More efficient than German's? Oops........:eek:
 
astroboy;403348 said:
Always start with the thinner synthetic oil... as long as you are not suffering from evaporation or leakage in the system, you are alright.

Why some people say old engine not suitable for thinner oil? that's because once the engine get used to thicker oil, switching to thinner oil will result in leakage in the system, be it wet engine or white smoke. As long as you are not suffering from these, go thin! 0w-30 if possible.. :wink: Good pick up, light engine, light rev, good FC, good heat transfer, same protection... unless u complain engine noisy lor..

just to share... i was using 20w-50 to my m40b18 all the while. suddenly used 15w-40 for last service. as astroboy said, really can notice the engine noise. otherwise no problem.
 
Crymson;403531 said:
You know any semi 5w30 or 5w40? KC intro me to Pennzoil 5w30.

Btw, I thought of going for Liqui Moly but their semi is 10w40.

Go for Castrol Edge 5W-40. Tried it on my M52 engine and it's been great so far. Didn't suffer from any evaporation loss.

A lot of it depends on your engine condition. IF the rings as still in good condition it shouldn't be a problem. Previously, I had to use 10-40 or 15-50 but not after an overhaul :)

Cheers
 
Hi everyone and all the BMWCM masters, I don't own yet BMW car but kind to knows
if I buy the BMW E36(preferably 318 enough for me) which year made 1994 or 1996,
what type of oil grade should I go for. I am sorry for interruption on this thread and
again apologize me for the silly question. Thanks.
 
my M52 loves havoline and ravenol... havoline so far never needed any top up even after long distance drive.. :top:
 
Older generation engine the seals are less refined as a newer engine. So the moment you suffer oil loss, you should avoid thinner oil.. this one, you will notice leakage, wet, or white smoke.

Old engine that's "used" to thicker oil (used many years) also very likely to suffer oil loss when switching to thinner oil because sudah longgar ma.. this one also you will notice leakage, wet, or white smoke.

The current generation of BMW engine is suffering from oil loss is I believe, because of the on-demand oil pump (condition driven, not full time!! :eek:) and the magnesium alloy block.. no sign of leakage, wet or white smoke... it VANISHED, EVAPORISED! :eek:
 
hey Al,

how much is da edge 5-40? is it BMW LL04?

thanks

ALBundy;403607 said:
Go for Castrol Edge 5W-40. Tried it on my M52 engine and it's been great so far. Didn't suffer from any evaporation loss.

A lot of it depends on your engine condition. IF the rings as still in good condition it shouldn't be a problem. Previously, I had to use 10-40 or 15-50 but not after an overhaul :)

Cheers
 
Edge 5w-40 is not BMW LL rated at all. Even the latest 0w-30 does not carry BMW LL rating.

None of the local Castrol oil retail pack carry BMW LL ratings.. unless u can find this European pack..

castroledge0w30.jpg
 
astroboy;403861 said:
Edge 5w-40 is not BMW LL rated at all. Even the latest 0w-30 does not carry BMW LL rating.

None of the local Castrol oil retail pack carry BMW LL ratings.. unless u can find this European pack..

castroledge0w30.jpg

R u sure bro ??? not even LL-01? I think the latest from Castrol Edge Sport is 0W-40
 
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