e36 NGV conversion advice needed
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Saw a nice E38 740 with NGV and it is belong to a luxury car company. So far they said the only problem is each fill RM12 can only travel 140km
I will try to get the pictures of the car and shall post it here.
Sorry bro.. I didnt buy a BMW but got myself a Perdana
I will try to get the pictures of the car and shall post it here.
Sorry bro.. I didnt buy a BMW but got myself a Perdana
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Bro there another car a Merc E240 2004 model.. I believe this car has more sensors and electronics then E36 or E36.. Furthermore this car comes with supercharger (Kompressor) ... I was very lucky to be able to test drive that car last week.. the power is sweet and I cant feel the lag...
If your car is in tip top condition, and old O2 sensors, radiator are replaced plus gearbox are serviced and oil cooler is installed I dont see any problem for BMW
If your car is in tip top condition, and old O2 sensors, radiator are replaced plus gearbox are serviced and oil cooler is installed I dont see any problem for BMW
hehe... once i get that confirmation, i m going all out for it.. cant stand using petrol.. crazy shit... hehe
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Go to the NGV installer and ask for their profile... there are many E36 with NGV on the road.
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Guys guys........
U all travel on taxi before or not? if u do - speak to the drivers for their experience with NGV ok.....
my experience so far....one tells me car overheats if u go fast on highway >140kph. Second tells me makan valves........ both say NGV burn clean but DRY, so there ARE consequences to this.
As an engineer and a mechanical one too, if this is so good - Proton for one would have done this a standard model. So far not yet....why ah? BMW got NGV on large scale ah? Why ah? I dunno lar....maybe some of you know?
U all travel on taxi before or not? if u do - speak to the drivers for their experience with NGV ok.....
my experience so far....one tells me car overheats if u go fast on highway >140kph. Second tells me makan valves........ both say NGV burn clean but DRY, so there ARE consequences to this.
As an engineer and a mechanical one too, if this is so good - Proton for one would have done this a standard model. So far not yet....why ah? BMW got NGV on large scale ah? Why ah? I dunno lar....maybe some of you know?
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Hi Jules, As a mechanical engineer you will know that the engine is design for petrol and if NGV is to be use then some parts require to be change ie valves, spark plugs also there a new product to replace wetness of petrol to protect the valves.
One big reasons why they dont make NGV cars in Malaysia, is because the petroluem taiko are like Mafia. Also petrol are cheaper to transport and also generate higher yield to the business.
One big reasons why they dont make NGV cars in Malaysia, is because the petroluem taiko are like Mafia. Also petrol are cheaper to transport and also generate higher yield to the business.
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geoffreylee;343702 said:
exactly......this being the case, are the Bolt-on NGV kits that safe since our engines are made for petrol? Whilst we can change the mixture levels either thru a Fuel Controller....I dun think they change the valves! ( spark plug, maybe )
Proton is heavily linked to the Govt and likewise, Petronas who to date has SOLE MONOPOLY of the NGV supply to public. I dun think it is very hard to get the Mafia to work this one out....geofreylee;343703 said:
By the way - my comment is also valid for overseas i.e. if it was so good, Shell/Exxon-Mobil and the likes will collaborate with many car manufacturer to sell more NGV! ( and cars for the car companies )
Just my opinion - even as engineer.
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Guess, some of us is less fortunate and cant take the high fuel price, the only answer is NGV.
We have no control in the goverment policy or planning therefore have to made do what we have...
Drive a cheap economy car or just keep our BMW and convert to NGV..... sad sad
We have no control in the goverment policy or planning therefore have to made do what we have...
Drive a cheap economy car or just keep our BMW and convert to NGV..... sad sad
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I found a lot of infor from US about Merc, BMW, Ford etcs and NGV
Mercedes will soon start selling its B class B 170 NGT, their first compact to run on Natural Gas (the other model being an E 200). The vehicle, which will go on sale in June 2008, has a 112 HP engine that uses 4.9 kg of natural gas to run 100 km, which is equivalent to 7.4 liters of gasoline (about 32 mpg). On that trip, it'll produce CO2 emissions of just 135 grams per kilometer. The B 170 NGT can be equipped with any trim level except Sport.
Erdgas, the largest gas company in Germany, is pushing CNG vehicles by building fuelling stations throughout the country. Another interesting initiative is one that will see CNG have a 10 percent biogas blend, made from landfills and/or manure, in the near future.
Driving around Europe with Natural Gas: VW Touran, Fiat Panda and more
Compressed Natural Gas, CNG, is currently widely used in some cities (such as Paris or Barcelona) to power public buses. Natural gas burns very clean and, although it still pollutes with CO2, it avoids the most of the rest of nasty by-products that come out of the tailpipe.
ERDGAS, the biggest natural gas company in Germany, is promoting intensively the use of Compressed Natural Gas with passenger vehicles, even offering home fueling stations linked to the normal gas distribution network. The bread&butter German brands, such as Volkswagen and Opel have a couple of models able to run with CNG at relatively low prices. There are fueling stations (sparse) around Germany, and even Erdgas offers a route planner that takes in consideration that CNG vehicles need to be refueled more times.
Availability is not that easy outside Germany and every country is different. In France, the national gas company, Gaz de France, allows consumers to install compressors to fill up the cars, but they take up to 9 hours. Carrefour announced some gas pump at their gas stations and PSA cars can be ordered with CNG options.
If you want to check a couple more of models and some more information about running a CNG in Europe, follow me through the jump.
Italy shows an interessant situation. Up to the 50s, 3 percent of Italian cars ran on methane. However, only 470 pumps are nationally available for fueling. Fiat has a couple of models using this fuel, although they're also able to run fully on gasoline.
Countries like the UK, Spain, Portugal or Greece do not have widespread facilities for gas fueling, although you can always order a home fueling station.
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Which brings us to the VW Touran CNG, shown at the top of this article. The Touran CNG is based on the 1.6l gasoline version of the model with extra tanks for the gas and a reduced one for the auxiliary gasoline engine. Its got 109 horses and autonomy is good for 310km (200 miles).
Another compact MPV, the Opel Meriva, exhibited at the Barcelona International Auto Show. With a 1.6 CNG good for 94 HP and 138 CO2 g/km. This engine can also be installed in the Opel Combo small van.
Opel displayed the CNG tanks with a mirror strategically placed under the car.
This is how you fuel a CNG gas. Check the gasoline and the gas caps (neatly placed and unnoticed).
Expansion of the Mercedes-Benz Centre of Competence for the Manufacture of Natural-Gas Engines in Mannheim
New building for two additional vehicle models opened on July 4, 2008
E and B-Class, Sprinter and Econic all fitted with natural-gas engine
Natural gas offers cost benefits and is kinder to the environment
On July 4, 2008 Mercedes-Benz ushered in the dawn of a new era. The centre of competence for emissions-free commercial vehicles (known by its German acronym of 'KEN') has been expanded to become the Mercedes-Benz Production Competence Centre for Natural Gas Drive. With the formal opening of the new building, the company can push ahead with its aim of positioning natural gas powered vehicles in all segments.
When it was first established in October 1994, KEN was part of the Commercial Vehicles division. Since 2002 the centre has been part of the Vans division, as the largest projects from that time onwards involved vans. At that time the predecessor of today's Sprinter was manufactured there with a monovalent natural-gas engine.
The E-Class and the Econic are already being fitted with natural-gas engines at the Mannheim plant. With the opening of the new facility, they will be joined by the Sprinter and the B-Class. There is an impressively wide variety of models: up to 16 natural-gas variants of the Mercedes Sprinter, for example, will be available from the Mercedes-Benz Production Competence Centre for Natural Gas Drive. in Mannheim.
A gas-powered vehicle combines the benefits of environmental protection with efficiency and practicality. The advantages include a considerable reduction in emissions and noise, substantially lower maintenance costs and a large range when used in combination with the conventional engine.
The customer-driven concept of KEN is reflected in unit sales, which have grown exponentially since 1994. In 2003, 300 vehicles were sold while the planned figure for 2008 is 5,000, and the trend is upward.
Mercedes will soon start selling its B class B 170 NGT, their first compact to run on Natural Gas (the other model being an E 200). The vehicle, which will go on sale in June 2008, has a 112 HP engine that uses 4.9 kg of natural gas to run 100 km, which is equivalent to 7.4 liters of gasoline (about 32 mpg). On that trip, it'll produce CO2 emissions of just 135 grams per kilometer. The B 170 NGT can be equipped with any trim level except Sport.
Erdgas, the largest gas company in Germany, is pushing CNG vehicles by building fuelling stations throughout the country. Another interesting initiative is one that will see CNG have a 10 percent biogas blend, made from landfills and/or manure, in the near future.
Driving around Europe with Natural Gas: VW Touran, Fiat Panda and more
Compressed Natural Gas, CNG, is currently widely used in some cities (such as Paris or Barcelona) to power public buses. Natural gas burns very clean and, although it still pollutes with CO2, it avoids the most of the rest of nasty by-products that come out of the tailpipe.
ERDGAS, the biggest natural gas company in Germany, is promoting intensively the use of Compressed Natural Gas with passenger vehicles, even offering home fueling stations linked to the normal gas distribution network. The bread&butter German brands, such as Volkswagen and Opel have a couple of models able to run with CNG at relatively low prices. There are fueling stations (sparse) around Germany, and even Erdgas offers a route planner that takes in consideration that CNG vehicles need to be refueled more times.
Availability is not that easy outside Germany and every country is different. In France, the national gas company, Gaz de France, allows consumers to install compressors to fill up the cars, but they take up to 9 hours. Carrefour announced some gas pump at their gas stations and PSA cars can be ordered with CNG options.
If you want to check a couple more of models and some more information about running a CNG in Europe, follow me through the jump.
Italy shows an interessant situation. Up to the 50s, 3 percent of Italian cars ran on methane. However, only 470 pumps are nationally available for fueling. Fiat has a couple of models using this fuel, although they're also able to run fully on gasoline.
Countries like the UK, Spain, Portugal or Greece do not have widespread facilities for gas fueling, although you can always order a home fueling station.
-----
Which brings us to the VW Touran CNG, shown at the top of this article. The Touran CNG is based on the 1.6l gasoline version of the model with extra tanks for the gas and a reduced one for the auxiliary gasoline engine. Its got 109 horses and autonomy is good for 310km (200 miles).
Another compact MPV, the Opel Meriva, exhibited at the Barcelona International Auto Show. With a 1.6 CNG good for 94 HP and 138 CO2 g/km. This engine can also be installed in the Opel Combo small van.
Opel displayed the CNG tanks with a mirror strategically placed under the car.
This is how you fuel a CNG gas. Check the gasoline and the gas caps (neatly placed and unnoticed).
Expansion of the Mercedes-Benz Centre of Competence for the Manufacture of Natural-Gas Engines in Mannheim
New building for two additional vehicle models opened on July 4, 2008
E and B-Class, Sprinter and Econic all fitted with natural-gas engine
Natural gas offers cost benefits and is kinder to the environment
On July 4, 2008 Mercedes-Benz ushered in the dawn of a new era. The centre of competence for emissions-free commercial vehicles (known by its German acronym of 'KEN') has been expanded to become the Mercedes-Benz Production Competence Centre for Natural Gas Drive. With the formal opening of the new building, the company can push ahead with its aim of positioning natural gas powered vehicles in all segments.
When it was first established in October 1994, KEN was part of the Commercial Vehicles division. Since 2002 the centre has been part of the Vans division, as the largest projects from that time onwards involved vans. At that time the predecessor of today's Sprinter was manufactured there with a monovalent natural-gas engine.
The E-Class and the Econic are already being fitted with natural-gas engines at the Mannheim plant. With the opening of the new facility, they will be joined by the Sprinter and the B-Class. There is an impressively wide variety of models: up to 16 natural-gas variants of the Mercedes Sprinter, for example, will be available from the Mercedes-Benz Production Competence Centre for Natural Gas Drive. in Mannheim.
A gas-powered vehicle combines the benefits of environmental protection with efficiency and practicality. The advantages include a considerable reduction in emissions and noise, substantially lower maintenance costs and a large range when used in combination with the conventional engine.
The customer-driven concept of KEN is reflected in unit sales, which have grown exponentially since 1994. In 2003, 300 vehicles were sold while the planned figure for 2008 is 5,000, and the trend is upward.
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My Perdana now runs on NGV.. Thanks
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I can give you the contact of my NGV installer... He did the S320 Merc and E39 528i recently
