Dissappointed with F30 spec/options

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aka re-cond cars ...

policy change will neva happen in the near future ... G is still looking rock solid in Office .. hehe

what is bmw or sime doing about this as Brand Owners...
Well, if only our lovely SimeD can absorb some cost and give some added value to its brand ....
 
see .... Sime should be grateful to pple like nessman ... brand loyalty ...

but they dont care ... fatty profits are what their after ....

"you know bmw, bmw dont know you"

have a nice week end bro's ...

cheers
 
supersonic;727008 said:
I went to AB penang to se the new F30 last night and THE 320D was a dissappointment. S
(CONT...) Seems like the 320d was given a 2nd class treatment. The car looked very basic. There is nothing attractive in the car for me to consider and upgrade from my current e90 320d. The should have at least brought the sport trim to match the e90 msport. But the 328 sport looked quite nice though.

Another thing I dont understand is why is the new 320d engine stated as twin power turbo while the e90 320d is only turbo. I believe both engine are the same right? Would appreciate if somebody can explain this. Thanks
 
paultantk;727017 said:
For bmw, twinpower turbo refers to twin scroll turbo.

So am i right 2 say that e90 320d has single scroll turbo while f30 320d has twin scroll turbo?
 
The earlier 335i was using N54 twin turbo. The main purpose for twin turbo is to eliminate turbo lag, a small turbine kicks in first before the huge turbine engages to ensure smooth delivery of power.

The 320d is using twin scroll single turbo to achieve the twin turbo objective. Same as the one in N54 decedent, the N55 for the later E92 335i and this F30 335i.

Single turbo suffers turbo lags badly and not suitable for a premium Euro marque like this.. :4:
 
Thanks Paul & Astroboy. Now I see the picture. The N47 was allthe time twin scroll. Just that it was not highlighted in the spec sheet for my e90.

In the F30 320D , they just mention twin power engine with a turbocharger, while in the 328 they say twin power engine with twin scroll turbo.
 
I went to see the 328 at Wearnes Autohaus on Saturday. The first impression is that its not that distinctively different from the old version. Maybe I am not as detailed.

Specs I must say is not good and is average at best. Things like variable speed steering should be offered to the 328.

Hopefully the CKD version will be better speced
 
astroboy;727138 said:
The earlier 335i was using N54 twin turbo. The main purpose for twin turbo is to eliminate turbo lag, a small turbine kicks in first before the huge turbine engages to ensure smooth delivery of power.

The 320d is using twin scroll single turbo to achieve the twin turbo objective. Same as the one in N54 decedent, the N55 for the later E92 335i and this F30 335i.

Single turbo suffers turbo lags badly and not suitable for a premium Euro marque like this.. :4:

Actually the N54 has similar size twin turbos. N55 single turbo but twin scroll. Twin scroll means twin intake pipes separately chanelling exhaust gases (one for cylinder 1,2,3 and the other for 4,5 and 6) onto the exhaust turbine fan which is connected to the inlet fan that compresses incoming air. By virtue of separating the exhaust gases travelling at high speed into 2 separate channels, this minimises turbulence (due to engine's firing order, if I remember correctly for inline siz engine its 1-5,2-6,3-4) and create a smoother flow which translates to lesser/minimal turbo lag.

supersonic;727141 said:
Thanks Paul & Astroboy. Now I see the picture. The N47 was allthe time twin scroll. Just that it was not highlighted in the spec sheet for my e90.

In the F30 320D , they just mention twin power engine with a turbocharger, while in the 328 they say twin power engine with twin scroll turbo.

Yeah, this is the fault of the marketing people inventing fancy acronyms :p If I may confuse everyone further, in BMW world Twin Power Turbo could mean 3 things, namely:-

1) Twin Turbo Units (as in the N54 engine with same size turbine)
2) Twin Turbo Units (one small and one larger turbine, as in the 525d)
3) Single Turbo with Twin Scroll (320d, 328i, 335i and etc etc)

Test drove the F10 525d in a far away race track recently, all I can say is :rock: . This engine needs Euro 4 diesel.

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Cheers
 
supersonic;727141 said:
Thanks Paul & Astroboy. Now I see the picture. The N47 was allthe time twin scroll. Just that it was not highlighted in the spec sheet for my e90.

In the F30 320D , they just mention twin power engine with a turbocharger, while in the 328 they say twin power engine with twin scroll turbo.

That's because when the E90 released... BMW haven't think of that "marketing term" yet... LOL
 
Thanks sachseelan...sime shud maintain the exclusivity of a BMW,as it shud be!A beemer shud be all a beemer could.it shud not be restricted n limited to how the dealers choose!avid f30 enthusiaists shud hv been surveyed accordingly,n the specs allocated as per demand!or plus minus!we as customers do also can compromise.will wait for 3rd quarter to see hw they market the SKDs...
 
hi guys, when the locally assembed F30 is launched in supposedly 3 months time, what do u guys expect the price drop to be from the imported models..any ideas? ballpark figures?
 
i pressume,referring to another reply from another thread tat,as time progresses,more features/eqpt will be added but price maintain...might only drop prices towards end of the model's life i guess...
 
Hey folks (to those who have test driven the F30)...

Is anyone here just "a bit wee" disappointed with the electronic assisted steering?

My first thought of driving the 328i... "Wow, nice power improvement from 325i E90, I could really get used to this. But where's the steering feedback?"

I read so many great reviews about the F30. Sure enough, the car is balanced, poised and hugs the tarmac tightly. But I really can't get pass the sterile and detached electronic steering... maybe I was driving too slow?
 
erniccl;727224 said:
hi guys, when the locally assembed F30 is launched in supposedly 3 months time, what do u guys expect the price drop to be from the imported models..any ideas? ballpark figures?

Probably its too new to drop price, will cheese off the CBU owners but again who knows. What other things can they really load the car up with? Better rims? Better interior? Its semi CKD as it is. What is there? Potentially, price drop should be between 10K-15K max. Then the CBU owners can say their car is fully imported, worth the extra 10K-15K.
 
tIANcI;728740 said:
Probably its too new to drop price, will cheese off the CBU owners but again who knows. What other things can they really load the car up with? Better rims? Better interior? Its semi CKD as it is. What is there? Potentially, price drop should be between 10K-15K max. Then the CBU owners can say their car is fully imported, worth the extra 10K-15K.

SKD will be around 10% lower than CBU. After BMW factory visit at Kulim and saw the Germany production line on YouTube and my lil experience on BMW I will go for CBU anytime. If you have the money just follow what your heart says. Diff people have diff perception on car. So its your personal preference.
 
YUP!such meticulous handling by the production techs at the Germany plant into the machines...the result is high quality n reliability!n then Kulim?during my schooling dayz,i had to shift hse n changed fr Penang island school to Kulim...Guess what?i cabut after 2 days schooling in Kulim!i know its out of topic but my point is Kulim is suitable for Kilang kicap or palm oil!the kind of local techs there handling an SKD!frightmare!!dono which part's nuts or bolts were ever installed or tightened enough/correctly!n how many of those tiny crucial parts supposedly to be inside a BMW is at the techs home for their general home/personal diy...
 
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