Tire shine without the slip

[ess530i]

oversteered when i took a corner after washing my car & putting on tire shine (some lousy brand i bought from the supermarket but very shiny though). anyone with similar experience and know if there are any tire shine out there which are not so 'slippery'? i realize i have been losing traction since i started using this tire shine. somehow the effect stays even after a week. i checked my tired they're still in good condition w sufficient pressure. pls advise thx

 

[IsaacVky]

Meguiars

 

[udm68]

oversteered when i took a corner after washing my car & putting on tire shine (some lousy brand i bought from the supermarket but very shiny though). anyone with similar experience and know if there are any tire shine out there which are not so 'slippery'? i realize i have been losing traction since i started using this tire shine. somehow the effect stays even after a week. i checked my tired they're still in good condition w sufficient pressure. pls advise thx

Oversteered after applying tire shine? On the sidewalls, I presumed. Sure this can happen? If so, this is indeed something new Guess learning is a never ending process!

 

[t2ribena]

oversteered when i took a corner after washing my car & putting on tire shine (some lousy brand i bought from the supermarket but very shiny though). anyone with similar experience and know if there are any tire shine out there which are not so 'slippery'? i realize i have been losing traction since i started using this tire shine. somehow the effect stays even after a week. i checked my tired they're still in good condition w sufficient pressure. pls advise thx

wah are u driving on ur tyres sidewalls...unless u apply it on the tyre contact patch itself applying it on the sidewalls shud not cause the tyre to change its characteristics that causes u to oversteer...

even if u apply it on the contact patch then it shud also wears off afta 30km to 50km of drive...

 

[M30]

Wow.....maybe i should try and see. I cannot get oversteer on mine. But should not cause unless it leaced out in the wet. Sure that it is not oil patch on the road?

 

[Abe Jak]

how come bro,u apply to whole tyre or just the sidewall?

 

[AlexNg]

my 0.0000002 cent advice:

scrub off all tires using a degreaser....

apply shiney tire shine to the side walls without touching the thread as much as possible.

 

[SarJeePekAi]

Boy this is wet stuff!

# I guess he must have somehow oversprayed the liquid shine and it spread unto the tyre thread to cause some slipping while wheel-spinning.

# On the topic of tyre sidewall shine - do beware as most of them [shiners] will cause your tyre sidewall surface to turn an oxidized brown color [and maybe cause cracking later?]. So go for the established brands and see which ones do no cause the 'browning' effect. Enjoy the product testing!

# BTW I use the one that IsaacVky revealed!

 

[ess530i]

wah are u driving on ur tyres sidewalls...unless u apply it on the tyre contact patch itself applying it on the sidewalls shud not cause the tyre to change its characteristics that causes u to oversteer...

even if u apply it on the contact patch then it shud also wears off afta 30km to 50km of drive...

what do u call the area between the contact patch and the side walls, the threaded part which wears out quickly if u take too much corners? i apply the tire shine to the side walls & this part and am convinced this the the reason i oversteer. as i said, i took the corner after washing my car. it may wear off after a long drive (perhaps >100km) and perhaps more in the rain.

where do i get meguiars tire shine?

 

[t2ribena]

what do u call the area between the contact patch and the side walls, the threaded part which wears out quickly if u take too much corners? i apply the tire shine to the side walls & this part and am convinced this the the reason i oversteer. as i said, i took the corner after washing my car. it may wear off after a long drive (perhaps >100km) and perhaps more in the rain.

where do i get meguiars tire shine?

bro...it is normally referred to as the tyre shoulder...u must be pushing thru the corner hard in this case right afta u apply the tyre shine...

i believe everything that gives shine in liquid form and does not dry off is slippery...

 

[ess530i]

bro...it is normally referred to as the tyre shoulder...u must be pushing thru the corner hard in this case right afta u apply the tyre shine...

i believe everything that gives shine in liquid form and does not dry off is slippery...

yea...what i meant by 'taking corners' is by pushing hard, otherwise i would call it turning hehe. i dont think the car will oversteer in normal turns due to tire shine.

i think the substance which make the tire slippery is called silicone...not just because its liquid. perhaps meguiars tire shine is made with a different base material...

 

[turbology]

any tires shine will have slippery effect no matter what, just more or less.
Times to bump up air pressure, buddy.

You either driving too hard (see picture), or you applied too much tires shine.
Fix: bump up the pressure so you don't "roll off" or don't apply tire shine beyond the mark.

Hope this help. Cheers

 

[wc9922]

any tires shine will have slippery effect no matter what, just more or less.
Times to bump up air pressure, buddy.

You either driving too hard (see picture), or you applied too much tires shine.
Fix: bump up the pressure so you don't "roll off" or don't apply tire shine beyond the mark.

Hope this help. Cheers

Increasing tire pressure will reduce traction..... isn't it? What happens to the slip angle?

 

[turbology]

Increasing tire pressure will reduce traction..... isn't it? What happens to the slip angle?

whoa.. that is complicated question.
Err.. in most cases, increase small amount of pressure help braking, turn-in, and etc.
Contact patch "might" get a little smaller, but traction "should" remain or improve slightly.

Slip angle has to do with vertical load, weight transfer, temperature, shape of contact patch, and many others.

 

[B33mEr]

whoa.. that is complicated question.
Err.. in most cases, increase small amount of pressure help braking, turn-in, and etc.
Contact patch "might" get a little smaller, but traction "should" remain or improve slightly.

Slip angle has to do with vertical load, weight transfer, temperature, shape of contact patch, and many others.

HOw does traction improve when the contact patch is reduced??? you should rephrase it 'contact patch might get a little smaller but traction should remain if not slightly reduce in favour for straight line speed' ....

 

[adliz]

i think increasing pressure is simply to reduce wall flex.. hence 'retaining' contact surface area even under hard cornering, hence 'better' traction vs lower pressure=more flex.. :top:

 

[turbology]

How does traction improve when the contact patch is reduced???

The pressure "pressing" on road surface increase as contact patch area is reduced.
Picture "High Heel Shoe"

 

[ess530i]

The pressure "pressing" on road surface increase as contact patch area is reduced.
Picture "High Heel Shoe"

doesn't make sense...if this theory works then people wouldn't use negative camber setting for cornering. the whole point is to have as much as possible contact patch area during hard braking / cornering...right?

i think increasing pressure is simply to reduce wall flex.. hence 'retaining' contact surface area even under hard cornering, hence 'better' traction vs lower pressure=more flex.. :top:

make sense

 

[ess530i]

washed my tires thoroughly especially the tire shoulders and the difference in hard cornering was simply amazing...best part about it was predictability of the handling. with tire shine, it still grips well in soft-medium cornering but when u're on the edge u dont know when u'll lose it. i guess i wont be using tire shine anymore or at least the cheap ones. my assumption is that silicone are highly migratory (like oil) especially on permeable substance like rubber therefore even if u apply on the side walls, they tend to migrate to the shoulders and affect your handling. just speakin from my own experience, u guys can try it out and confirm this. for those going to the track this should definitely be in your to-do list...